VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [Dr PinkCake]

[DavDR]

we try to analyze the devastation of the DIK mansion as if it were a murder in a thriller.

evidence against the JOCKs:
- they have the motive
- they knew when to do it
- they had the dildos to return

evidence in defense:
- the Jocks should have avoided putting themselves at risk of further disciplinary sanctions (could the far-sighted Dawe have made such a mistake?)

Evidence against Vinny:
- perhaps has a motive (but much weaker than that of the Jocks)
- Nick's room has been safeguarded (making him the prime suspect of being the mole, at a time when the DIKs fear there is one for other reasons as well)
- if Nick is his mole, he knew when to act

evidence in defense:
- no one could have known that this time Rusty's father would have pulled back, so potentially it could be just a small setback, but still it remains a childish and trivial revenge.
- presumably he didn't have dildos (did the Jocks give them to him? we don't know any correlation between them and Vinny)


the only real evidence against Vinny is Nick's room, which immediately becomes a terribly stupid and narratively ostentatious move.

either an important reason is revealed or it is all very circumstantial evidence, with the main explanation that Vinny is crazy ... and therefore he can do anything

You missed one reason, the time factor. How did Vinny know when to strike? And even if he knew when to strike, how did he assemble a crew of Mansion wreckers, get them to the college, and have time to wreck the mansion?

 

[felicemastronzo]

You missed one reason, the time factor. How did Vinny know when to strike? And even if he knew when to strike, how did he assemble a crew of Mansion wreckers, get them to the college, and have time to wreck the mansion?

I'm not sure about that, it's always difficult to reconstruct the timing.

I would say that the DIKs go to the Jocks between 9 and 10 pm. then they will have been approximately an hour there and at least 2-3 hours from the Preps

Vinny may also have left as soon as the DIKs left their home, of course he risked that the DIKs after the Jocks would come back and therefore find them in front of them.

it's credible that Vinny has his henchmen at his disposal

sure if he had to go and buy the dildos, get organized and everything becomes very tight, very improbable but not necessarily impossible.

especially because we are talking about a porn game and not about Agatha Cristie

for me, as in front of every turn, every twist, the "why" remains fundamental. I am willing to accept anything if motivated
for now this motivation is not there, we know that Vinny had a fight with Tommy, only with him.
let's see if in the end the story will make sense.

 

[shazba]

You missed one reason, the time factor. How did Vinny know when to strike? And even if he knew when to strike, how did he assemble a crew of Mansion wreckers, get them to the college, and have time to wreck the mansion?

How long do you reckon the mc was inside the prep's mansion? If you do everything possible:

• Sex with Riona
• Blowjob from Mel and Sarah
• Champagne with Maya and Josy
• Sex with Camila
• Flirting with Jade
• Blowjob with Lily
• Sex with Sage
• Interactions with the barman
• Interactions with random guests
• Interactions with Derek.
• Posting on Rooster.

He had some form of sex 5 times throughout the night, so depending on how quickly the MC can cum when appropriately stimulated, let's assume a minimum of 15-20 minutes for each sexual encounter with no resting in between, that's already roughly 1 and 1/2 hours. I reckon they were probably there for 2 hours.

That sounds like plenty of time for someone to break in, trash the joint and run away. If it was a group of people, no problem at all. This is all speculation, I'm not very experienced at breaking in and trashing people's houses...



So really, the takeaway consideration from this discussion is, how the fuck can the MC unload copious amounts of spunk 5 times in a period of 2 hours!?

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

How long do you reckon the mc was inside the prep's mansion? If you do everything possible:

• Sex with Riona
• Blowjob from Mel and Sarah
• Champagne with Maya and Josy
• Sex with Camila
• Flirting with Jade
• Blowjob with Lily
• Sex with Sage
• Interactions with the barman
• Interactions with random guests
• Interactions with Derek.
• Posting on Rooster.

He had some form of sex 5 times throughout the night, so depending on how quickly the MC can cum when appropriately stimulated, let's assume a minimum of 15-20 minutes for each sexual encounter with no resting in between, that's already roughly 1 and 1/2 hours. I reckon they were probably there for 2 hours.

That sounds like plenty of time for someone to break in, trash the joint and run away. If it was a group of people, no problem at all. This is all speculation, I'm not very experienced at breaking in and trashing people's houses...



So really, the takeaway consideration from this discussion is, how the fuck can the MC unload copious amounts of spunk 5 times in a period of 2 hours!?

I told you guys. This is a low key sci fi game! MC is actually some sort of superhuman with hyperfucking abilities.

 

[felicemastronzo]

How long do you reckon the mc was inside the prep's mansion? If you do everything possible:

• Sex with Riona
• Blowjob from Mel and Sarah
• Champagne with Maya and Josy
• Sex with Camila
• Flirting with Jade
• Blowjob with Lily
• Sex with Sage
• Interactions with the barman
• Interactions with random guests
• Interactions with Derek.
• Posting on Rooster.

He had some form of sex 5 times throughout the night, so depending on how quickly the MC can cum when appropriately stimulated, let's assume a minimum of 15-20 minutes for each sexual encounter with no resting in between, that's already roughly 1 and 1/2 hours. I reckon they were probably there for 2 hours.

That sounds like plenty of time for someone to break in, trash the joint and run away. If it was a group of people, no problem at all. This is all speculation, I'm not very experienced at breaking in and trashing people's houses...



So really, the takeaway consideration from this discussion is, how the fuck can the MC unload copious amounts of spunk 5 times in a period of 2 hours!?

in theory when you play that part you are in real time, there are no pauses in the narration, just the changes between the locations can be considered "skipped"

the "game of death" sex marathon is fun, but it doesn't make any sense

 

[「HOLLOW」]

Can someone refresh my memories? I remember that during hell week, maggot who got more achievements gets some kind of prize. I remember winning competition something like 7-3, but I don't remember receiving anything. My question is what was the prize and how to get it.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Can someone refresh my memories? I remember that during hell week, maggot who got more achievements gets some kind of prize. I remember winning competition something like 7-3, but I don't remember receiving anything. My question is what was the prize and how to get it.

in the sixth chapter on Mc's birthday they give him the prize, a 10$ VIP pass for the pink rose (which MC can decide to use in repairs)

 

[「HOLLOW」]

in the sixth chapter on Mc's birthday they give him the prize, a 10$ VIP pass for the pink rose (which MC can decide to use in repairs)

Oh i see, thank you. I haven't played newest chapter yet, that explains my confusion.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I think Vinny definitely trashed the DIK Mansion.

And again, I just don't see it.

The only thing this theory has is motivation with Vinny possibly holding a grudge against the DIKs, but we have obvious suspects in the Jocks who not only had the motive to do this but also the means and the access as well. We saw the dildos strewn and displayed all over the DIK mansion, the same ones the Jocks used before that the DIKs then used against them, so I think we can say safely that they were definitely responsible for the damage to the mansion's windows. We also know that they knew the mansion was unoccupied, so why wouldn't they do more? Yes, they're technically supposed to keep their heads down after the Chad incident, but they're the Jocks; a bunch of roided-up idiots who are probably too stupid and too macho to care. Also, remember that Dawe is going around handing out flyers of Cathy's pic taken from Rooster, so he's clearly not caring about repurcussions even though he was told the Jocks would be more closely monitored.

Vinny being responsible is more convoluted because either he was hiding in the bushes waiting for the Hell Week party to begin so he could crash it, or was told by someone that the mansion was empty, made his way over from wherever he was, got there in time to see the Jocks throwing dildos through the windows, and then proceeded to break in and to trash it all by himself, spraying Alpha symbols on the walls to put the blame on the Jocks. It's quite honestly daft to believe he did it when the suspects are much more obvious and clear cut than that.

Sorry to break this to you, but that means nothing. In fact Quinn was in the banner with other LI's BEFORE Jill even existed all the way back to during the planning stage of v0.1. That still didn't make her an LI.

Let's also remember this from Ep 6:

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DPC's probably not-so-subtly telling people to not expect much from this.

I wonder if there's any drama between Tommy and Vinny regarding Quinn.

My guess would be they (Quinn and Vinny) had a relationship, maybe Quinn had actual feelings for Vinny, but either he didn't reciprocate or after he got expelled things just broke down between them and she's bitter about it. So perhaps she sees the MC as someone who reminds her of Vinny in certain ways but better than him, and it's why she doesn't want to get too close because she doesn't want to get hurt again and feels she doesn't want to have those kinds of feelings again.

Also, I think that this drug operation Quinn is running is the same one Vinny was running and he passed it to her when he was expelled. Perhaps Vinny and Quinn were doing it together and Vinny got caught dealing but he didn't give up Quinn and she's still carrying on what they started together.

With regards to Tommy, I think he was interested in Quinn and her potentially being with Vinny may have been a source of contention between them. He probably gave up on trying to get with Quinn because she didn't have any interest in him in that way and so never gave him any opportunity to pursue something.

 

[Warscared]

my theory now! the attack was to get/erase jade video it was requested by Stephen to chad when the jocks call him telling what just happened he as the perfect excuse! Stephen will protect him and re instate him into his old position, only thing the jocks need to know is that action wont backfire they have Stephen word!

as for the time frame it takes 10 minutes per room per dude give or take!

that is why jade and Cathy are at a massive argument Cathy feels that jade betrayed her since they revoked chad punishment and the jocks are now even more brashly harassing her with the gym pic!

not that everything went well rusty locked the computer in the safe!

as for how it was done if vinny works for Stephen he went to supervise the operation (thus protecting nick`s room) and the jocks have no idea of whats going on they just assume revenge! or it could be dawe working for stephen (and then dawe is indeed nick`s brother) but my favorite is nick is chads buttplug brother!

another thing is whoever trashed Jacob´s room liked his painting and stole them, they are not destroyed, please another infiltration freeroam in the jocks house to recover those paintings and help a brother out! or those paintings were of all the girls jacob was ever with and dawe was the one trashing jacob room and saved the one with arieth and took the rest also!

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[DavDR]

I'm not sure about that, it's always difficult to reconstruct the timing.

I would say that the DIKs go to the Jocks between 9 and 10 pm. then they will have been approximately an hour there and at least 2-3 hours from the Preps

Vinny may also have left as soon as the DIKs left their home, of course he risked that the DIKs after the Jocks would come back and therefore find them in front of them.

it's credible that Vinny has his henchmen at his disposal

sure if he had to go and buy the dildos, get organized and everything becomes very tight, very improbable but not necessarily impossible.

especially because we are talking about a porn game and not about Agatha Cristie

for me, as in front of every turn, every twist, the "why" remains fundamental. I am willing to accept anything if motivated
for now this motivation is not there, we know that Vinny had a fight with Tommy, only with him.
let's see if in the end the story will make sense.

The DIK's evaluation party started at 8:00 (20:00), everything ended before midnight, that's when the bar at the Prep party started serving drinks. We have specific times for these in game dialogue.

 

[felicemastronzo]

The DIK's evaluation party started at 8:00 (20:00), everything ended before midnight, that's when the bar at the Prep party started serving drinks. We have specific times for these in game dialogue.

in my estimation I was based on those references

at 8 pm the party starts
at 9pm they are at the Jocks
from 10pm to 12am they are at the Preps

intermediate times can vary by half an hour, but more or less the schedule should be this

Vinny had 2 or 3 hours of time, these are tight times but possible

 

[Kellermann]

in theory when you play that part you are in real time, there are no pauses in the narration, just the changes between the locations can be considered "skipped"

the "game of death" sex marathon is fun, but it doesn't make any sense

Although the player is given the opportunity have all five sexual encounters (b/c it's a porn game and players want the choice to bang everything), I think from a narrative perspective it's presupposed that in the BaDIK world, MC would not actually be going after all of them during one, short-lived party. This is one of the reasons DPC is steering players to narrow down their LIs. It's probably getting quite difficult for him to jugg(le) all of these LIs on a manwhore route and still allow for a coherent story. Even in a porn game, blasting off five times in an hour or two is a little difficult to believe unless you have a reservoir of love juice in boulder-sized balls.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Although the player is given the opportunity have all five sexual encounters (b/c it's a porn game and players want the choice to bang everything), I think from a narrative perspective it's presupposed that in the BaDIK world, MC would not actually be going after all of them during one, short-lived party. This is one of the reasons DPC is steering players to narrow down their LIs. It's probably getting quite difficult for him to jugg(le) all of these LIs on a manwhore route and still allow for a coherent story. Even in a porn game, blasting off five times in an hour or two is a little difficult to believe unless you have a reservoir of love juice in boulder-sized balls.

I think there must have been some constraints

are you on the path of Sage? then no Lily, who we know Sage doesn't like.

are you going with Riona as soon as you arrive? then no Camilla

it also increased playability

 

[Pendrell]

Sorry to break this to you, but that means nothing. In fact Quinn was in the banner with other LI's BEFORE Jill even existed all the way back to during the planning stage of v0.1. That still didn't make her an LI.

If anything this underlines the importance of Quinn as a character though and shows she was central to the original planning for the game. I find the distinction over whether she happens to be a formal LI irrelevant honestly. The fact is she is being written for all intents and purposes as if she is, and arguably displays more complexity than many of the actual five LIs.

 

[n0cn1l]

My guess would be they (Quinn and Vinny) had a relationship, maybe Quinn had actual feelings for Vinny, but either he didn't reciprocate or after he got expelled things just broke down between them and she's bitter about it. So perhaps she sees the MC as someone who reminds her of Vinny in certain ways but better than him, and it's why she doesn't want to get too close because she doesn't want to get hurt again and feels she doesn't want to have those kinds of feelings again.

Also, I think that this drug operation Quinn is running is the same one Vinny was running and he passed it to her when he was expelled. Perhaps Vinny and Quinn were doing it together and Vinny got caught dealing but he didn't give up Quinn and she's still carrying on what they started together.

With regards to Tommy, I think he was interested in Quinn and her potentially being with Vinny may have been a source of contention between them. He probably gave up on trying to get with Quinn because she didn't have any interest in him in that way and so never gave him any opportunity to pursue something.

Nope, Sage said that quinn never really talked about boys before MC, difficult to have a boyfriend or feelings for someone and never talk with your sisters. Not only that but she's tommys friend.
About the drugs operation, in the flashback tommy was receiving a package, maybe drugs? maybe Tommy started everything but since he is lazy and Vinny claimed to get things done he took the operation from tommy.

Quinn will never be a LI, maybe she is a way of DPC kill a LI without killing a LI

 

[DavDR]

in my estimation I was based on those references

at 8 pm the party starts
at 9pm they are at the Jocks
from 10pm to 12am they are at the Preps

intermediate times can vary by half an hour, but more or less the schedule should be this

Vinny had 2 or 3 hours of time, these are tight times but possible

It's just too speculative.

1. Where does it say Vinny has a gang in the first place?
2. Even if he has a gang how does he have the people to watch the DIK's? It's Saturday night, he has drugs to sell.
3. The question about the dildo's is still out there, where does he get them from? How does he even know to get them? Do we ever see Nick go off to make a lengthy phone call?

There's just no basis for any of this, it's pure speculation. Based upon this logic the Nerds could have done it too.

 

[felicemastronzo]

It's just too speculative.

1. Where does it say Vinny has a gang in the first place?
2. Even if he has a gang how does he have the people to watch the DIK's? It's Saturday night, he has drugs to sell.
3. The question about the dildo's is still out there, where does he get them from? How does he even know to get them? Do we ever see Nick go off to make a lengthy phone call?

There's just no basis for any of this, it's pure speculation. Based upon this logic the Nerds could have done it too.

according to me too

the question of dildos in my opinion remains the biggest obstacle to this theory

Nick may also have texted him on their way to the Jocks, or while MC and Caleb were fighting, seems like the minor problem to me.

if Vinny is a "major" drug dealer (is he?), chances are he has men with him, and if their boss asks them to go and devastate a house they go. provided there is a reason why Vinny runs to spite the DIKs (which if Rusty's father had continued to pay they would hardly have noticed ...)

 

[Holy Bacchus]

in my estimation I was based on those references

at 8 pm the party starts
at 9pm they are at the Jocks
from 10pm to 12am they are at the Preps

intermediate times can vary by half an hour, but more or less the schedule should be this

Vinny had 2 or 3 hours of time, these are tight times but possible

Why is everything in your estimations separated by whole hours? The DIKs might have waited an hour before trying to find out where the HOTs were, but it wouldn't take them an hour to get from the Jocks house to the Prep mansion and it wouldn't take an hour to get in either. Derek did have to go and get that drone from his roommate, but that's probably 15-20 minutes at most to get to the dorm and back to the Prep mansion. So maybe it's more 9:30pm when Derek and the MC got in to the Prep mansion, then I'd say everything that happens is probably 30-40 minutes at most, so the DIK mansion was probably unoccupied for just over an hour.

Nope, Sage said that quinn never really talked about boys before MC, difficult to have a boyfriend or feelings for someone and never talk with your sisters. Not only that but she's tommys friend.
About the drugs operation, in the flashback tommy was receiving a package, maybe drugs? maybe Tommy started everything but since he is lazy and Vinny claimed to get things done he took the operation from tommy.

Quinn will never be a LI, maybe she is a way of DPC kill a LI without killing a LI

Who's to say she ever talked about Vinny? They might just have been well known fuck-buddies as far as other people were concerned if they even knew about that aspect of their potential relationship, but the MC has gotten to Quinn enough that she talks about him, maybe not in the best of terms and Sage is misinterpreting it, but he seems to live rent-free in Quinn's head.

What flashback are you referring to because I don't recall ever seeing something like that involving Tommy.

There's just no basis for any of this, it's pure speculation. Based upon this logic the Nerds could have done it too.

That was also a theory once and it's just as absurd as Vinny being the culprit.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Why is everything in your estimations separated by whole hours? The DIKs might have waited an hour before trying to find out where the HOTs were, but it wouldn't take them an hour to get from the Jocks house to the Prep mansion and it wouldn't take an hour to get in either. Derek did have to go and get that drone from his roommate, but that's probably 15-20 minutes at most to get to the dorm and back to the Prep mansion. So maybe it's more 9:30pm when Derek and the MC got in to the Prep mansion, then I'd say everything that happens is probably 30-40 minutes at most, so the DIK mansion was probably unoccupied for just over an hour.



Who's to say she ever talked about Vinny? They might just have been well known fuck-buddies as far as other people were concerned if they even knew about that aspect of their potential relationship, but the MC has gotten to Quinn enough that she talks about him, maybe not in the best of terms and Sage is misinterpreting it, but he seems to live rent-free in Quinn's head.

What flashback are you referring to because I don't recall ever seeing something like that involving Tommy.



That was also a theory once and it's just as absurd as Vinny being the culprit.

because it is a rough estimate, it is useless to be more precise

party starts at 8pm, first they talk about hells week, then they try to contact the hots, i would say at least 40 minutes must have passed

then they go to the Jocks, it will take some time

then they talk to the Jocks and have a fight with Caleb, even here at least half an hour must pass

then they go to the Preps, they go a little way, I lose time to get there