VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Laurelin]

So I've done the accounts (maybe I've forgotten some points here or there, but not so much I think...) with the help of Scrappy Mode, and we have the following results at the end of episode 5 :
Max Josy RP : 21, with a great majority of "Neutral" decisions (some of them gets a dtype<1 however)
Max Maya RP : 28, with a great majority of "Neutral" decisions (some of them gets a dtype<0, or -3<dtype<2)
Max Jill RP : 21, with a great majority of "Neutral" decisions (some of them gets a dtype<0 however)
Max Bella RP : 20, with a great majority of "Neutral" decisions
Max Sage RP : 16, with a great majority of "Neutral" decisions (some of them gets a dtype>0 however)

So the Neutral affinity seems to suit with every main girl.

Note that even on the Josy/Maya route, both can't have max points (some choices give points at one or the other, but not both).
Idem for Jill/Bella.

However, it is clear that DIK affinity gives us more sexual content, particularly with the side girls.

 

[Laurelin]

That's literally envy. Not going to support your girlfriend when she's going to have a tough conversation with her father? Maybe she suffers anxiety too, but that's not an excuse either...

M&J don't seem to make that good of a couple to me, honestly.

Maybe you're right, but it could have been another explanation : it was clearly a happy moment for Josy, and Maya wouldn't want to ruin it...

 

[Siphon]

M&J don't seem to make that good of a couple to me, honestly.

It seems pretty obvious that their relationship did have problems, meeting each other again can make things better for a while but at the end of the day both of them were willing to cheat on the other. I seriously doubt we're gonna keep a three way relationship going this game, and I don't see the author resorting to killing one since it would be expected, so the logical point is their relationship continues to strain and eventually you have to choose.

However, it is clear that DIK affinity gives us more sexual content, particularly with the side girls.

Does seem a bit lopsided at the moment. Considering most of the major decisions feature you escalating things (like fighting people or pulling 'pranks' that go too far), I can see it having more of an impact later on... But right now all you get is extra money since you won't be buying whores.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Maya was present until everyone thought it would be a difficult discussion. By the time she fled, it was clear that Josy had all her father's support.

I don't remember it properly then. If she left when it was clear he supported her then it sounds even more like envy (and/or anxiety).

Maybe you're right, but it could have been another explanation : it was clearly a happy moment for Josy, and Maya wouldn't want to ruin it...

It could be that too. Anxiety can do that to a person, it can make you incapable of doing anthing.

It seems pretty obvious that their relationship did have problems, meeting each other again can make things better for a while but at the end of the day both of them were willing to cheat on the other. I seriously doubt we're gonna keep a three way relationship going this game, and I don't see the author resorting to killing one since it would be expected, so the logical point is their relationship continues to strain and eventually you have to choose.

I think they may break up at some point. Probably with, but it may be even without MC's interference.

 

[Konasuba]

So what's the difference between 5.0 and 5.1? is it necessary to download the 5.1 update? I'm asking because i tried playing it after installing 5.1 and my old saves wouldnt load. I'd appreciate is anyone could help me out.

 

[felicemastronzo]

The explanation comes later... and there's no envy, just sadness in regards of her own relation with his father.

an envious person would say that: "i'm happy for you, but i wanted that for me"


Maya is first of all weak , and this lead her to be insecure and envious

 

[Laurelin]

So what's the difference between 5.0 and 5.1? is it necessary to download the 5.1 update? I'm asking because i tried playing it after installing 5.1 and my old saves wouldnt load. I'd appreciate is anyone could help me out.

5.1 is just bug fix. So, you can take 5.2, wich is fixing some bugs of the 5.1 bug fix !!

 

[Laurelin]

an envious person would say that: "i'm happy for you, but i wanted that for me"


Maya is first of all weak , and this lead her to be insecure and envious

Remeber too that many of her problems (particularly about his relation with Josy) came because of his father... If his father was as "cool" as Josy's one, her couple has very likely gone better from the beginning and Maya would'nt be in this situation...

 

[Mormont]

The explanation comes later... and there's no envy, just sadness in regards of her own relation with his father.

I felt as though Maya wished she had that closeness with her own Father but then again all she probably really wants is acceptance from him.

 

[Laurelin]

So I see more bitterness towards her own father than envy for Josy... But I am a Chick guy above all !

 

[Real Kreten]

an envious person would say that: "i'm happy for you, but i wanted that for me"


Maya is first of all weak , and this lead her to be insecure and envious

Maya is not weak, she is broken. Maya had a backbone in the past (the remnant we saw in the second episode) and with the help of MC and Josy she will have a backbone again in the future. But now she is broken.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Remeber too that many of her problems (particularly about his relation with Josy) came because of his father... If his father was as "cool" as Josy's one, her couple has very likely gone better from the beginning and Maya would'nt be in this situation...

her father would be a bigot, but anyway he went in her room to talk to her, he did not disnow her

their relationship is "ended" because Maya let it die. Once she lost her relationship with her father, losing it also with Josy was her choice. there is no point in arguing with his father about josy and then letting her go

 

[felicemastronzo]

Maya is not weak, she is broken. Maya had a backbone in the past (the remnant we saw in the second episode) and with the help of MC and Josy she will have a backbone again in the future. But now she is broken.

to be broken may be the reason, to be weak is the result

also MC could be broken, ma he is not weak

 

[Laurelin]

to be broken may be the reason, to be weak is the result

I'll try to argue (even if it's not easy for me, I'd prefer french language ! )
Maya's not weak for me. Remember she pledged the HOTs to have free tuition and so win her financial independence. But she has no Hots mentality, far from it ! She needs a lot of force in her to do that.

 

[Laurelin]

But I'm supposed to defend Josy (because she's my favorite, even if Maya is not so far behind !), so, for now, I defend Maya too.
Let's wait for her real defender, i.e. Holy Bacchus , wich has less problems with the language (he is British, with or whithout humour )

 

[Redcup121]

awesome it came faster then most

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'll try to argue (even if it's not easy for me, I'd prefer french language ! )
Maya's not weak for me. Remember she pledged the HOTs to have free tuition and so win her financial independence. But she has no Hots mentality, far from it ! She needs a lot of force in her to do that.

we could try with italian maybe....


tuition in a problem for a lot of student, expecially in usa, and they find a solution without becaming a ragdoll for Quinn. the free tuition is the easy way for the indipendence

 

[xsssssssss]

I very much see Maya as a weak person who latches onto to a stronger person whether that be Josy or the MC.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

That's literally envy. Not going to support your girlfriend when she's going to have a tough conversation with her father? Maybe she suffers anxiety too, but that's not an excuse either...

M&J don't seem to make that good of a couple to me, honestly.

I don't remember it properly then. If she left when it was clear he supported her then it sounds even more like envy (and/or anxiety).

an envious person would say that: "i'm happy for you, but i wanted that for me"

Maya is first of all weak , and this lead her to be insecure and envious

Going to address these at once, so here goes.

Maya does not seem to come across as envious of Josy. When she sees Josy and her Dad reconcile with each other it wounds Maya because of the strained relationship with her Dad. She has a longing for such a thing with her own Dad as I get the sense that she was probably quite close to him, like he was her rock throughout most of her life but then when he found out about her, that bond was shattered and she yearns to repair it because she probably views those times through rose-tinted glasses and sees them as mostly good. This longing for reconciliation with her Dad would only be envy if she resented Josy for what she has with her Dad, but she doesn't resent Josy as she says that she is happy for her.



With regards to her being "weak" because she relies on other people, some people are just like that where there is often a person or people in their life they view as being their "rock", the one(s)who keep them grounded, who are there for them in times of need, and who, generally, don't judge them too harshly and support them. To put such trust in another person is a sign of great strength, not weakness, because you're opening yourself up to them and trusting, hoping that they will accept you for you, taking that brave step to face possible rejection by putting yourself out there. People who don't put such trust in others, who try to be this lone wolf that doesn't need anyone, are more often the weak ones because they're scared to let others in and thus keep everybody at arms length which can lead to them being very lonely people.

Maya simply feels like the world is against her which is a sign that she views herself as the problem, as though being who she is is why so many things are, in her words, "unfair". She doesn't seem to have great sense of self-worth which could be another reason why she attaches herself to others as they give her a feeling of being worthy. Now that she's in college she'll hopefully gain more confidence as most people do, but there's nothing that's really wrong with her right now, she just needs to find herself and now she has the chance to do so, away from her controlling parents.

her father would be a bigot, but anyway he went in her room to talk to her, he did not disnow her

their relationship is "ended" because Maya let it die. Once she lost her relationship with her father, losing it also with Josy was her choice. there is no point in arguing with his father about josy and then letting her go

Her Dad issued her an "ultimatum" and is using this to withhold her tuition, and he is the one that was keeping Maya from seeing Josy for some time now. His visit to Maya's dorm was most likely to pressure her to accept this ultimatum and she either refused or didn't give an answer which is what made her more determined to join the HOTs for the "free tuition" so that she wouldn't have to accept or refuse his ultimatum.

So Maya was not the cause of her relationship with Josy breaking down, it was her Dad and he is still an obstacle in their way.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

The way I’d want this to work is that RP is what it is. Do shit people like, they like you. Do shit people don’t like... they don’t like you. It’s individual for all characters and decides if they like you.

Your DIK/CHICK score is never considered by any character or any decisions in game but what it instead does is add flavour to your speech (as it already does). This is now your personality not a mystical reputation. Spend all day looking up girls skirts and other actions the game considers “DIK” and it influences your characters mannerisms. Objectify women 24/7 and that option to “compliment” Maya comes off creepy and you lose RP. This way your Chick/DIK score is used to see if your personality matches the girls and organically draws them to you. Sage would like DIK MC, Sage would want a “bad boy” so would gain RP when this system makes the MC act like a DIK. Nobody is psychic here, they only gain/lose RP based on your personality influencing how you say things.

Finally the big DIK/CHICK choices define routes and are tangibly commented on. You know how Maya/Josy reject a DIK mc using psychic knowledge of his past deeds? It wouldn’t work that way. I’d want 2-3 major choices with clear public awareness of them happening between episode 1-4 and if you pick certain choices you lose DIK chick segments... but here’s the thing, the girls use these to define their routes and inform their opinion. Take Maya/Josy. A major DIK would be rejected but they would explain why by citing those major DIK choices. Those public actions would be tailored to be reasons for the girls to leave you and/or want to be with you.

This way, act like a dick and drive CHICK girls away? They’ve got ammunition to say why they’re rejecting you in the form of your major plot line choices rather than just saying no without any justification (leading to 1000 people jumping onto the forum to ask why they didn’t get the threesome route because it’s entirely arbitrary)

Nobody is psychic, MC has a tangible personality and the girls organically align to you via that. it’s not perfect and would require careful balancing so you can’t just neutral your way into everyone’s panties but it’s a damn sight better than the Arbitrary-o-tron 3000 we have now.

This does honestly sound a lot better, that the smaller actions amount to the different LIs perceiving the MC in a certain way and this influences their view of his personality. It feels like a better representation of real life too, as some people can like you and others don't like you because they have differing views on your personality based on their own way of perceiving your actions and your words.