VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ename144]

I want to make some premises before continuing the discussion:

1) i don't hate Maya, when I see a weak person (or character...) I hope he finds the courage to raise his head. accroding to me she is not evil, she has not bad intentions, but I consider her severely limited by her weakness. maybe I was wrong to use the term envy, but i don't like her reaction in front of the happiness of her loved one
2) Maya's father is wrong and I hope he finds out in time. someone will have to face him, i hope Maya herself, but more likely MC
3) i believe that it honors the quality of the game all these discussions about the characters and their behaviors

going back to the subject:
I disagree about your reconstruction. Let's admit that the father completely controlled Maya's life while she was under her terroir, i don't think is full credible, but go on

if the problem in Maya-Josy relationship was only Maya's father, she should have called Josy at her first day at BR, to tell her how she was waiting for her. instead she remains hidden, MC is waiting for Josy every time, Maya?


her Dad (who has a wrong position) keep pushing because he didn't give up on his daughter, the opposite would be worse. in the same way Josy didn't give up on their relationship

if you never make a decision, in the end you live the decisions of others

I certainly agree our debates say something positive about the quality of the game.

As far as Maya calling Josy on Day 1 of B&R, it's important to remember that they had been apart all summer. That's supposedly when the problems began, but we know very little about the specifics.

We know Maya's father disapproved of the relationship and tried to break them up. We know from what Josy said that not being able to get together every week was a major problem for them.


To me, it makes a big difference just how hard it was for the two of them to communicate during that time. If Maya's dad went all out and they were forced to use complicated, indirect methods to communicate, I can see how the two would drift apart. Small differences in their viewpoints became magnified by the slow pace of communication and the 'noise' of speaking through intermediaries. By the time Maya was able to communicate with Josy directly again, the damage was done and their conversations had a lot of barbs, as they later mention.

In that case, I'm not sure how much of the blame should be on Maya. If, on the other hand, Maya could have called Josy at any time but chose not to because she wanted to preserve some sort of relationship with her father, that reflects more on Maya. It's obviously a lousy situation to be in, but if she really did love Josy it's not unreasonable to think she should have been willing to at least keep talking to her.

We may someday learn more about just what happened or how Maya's father behaved. Until then we're stuck speculating.

I'm inclined to give Maya the benefit of the doubt in the meantime. She says she is taking student loans, and the evidence seems to be that her family (Derek aside) show little to no affection for her. To me, that suggests Maya is still defying them, at least as much as she can. She may not be doing a great job of that, but I would call her inexperienced rather than merely weak.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

We may someday learn more about just what happened or how Maya's father behaved. Until then we're stuck speculating.

This is something I very much hope for. I'd like to see something akin to the MC's flashback about Zoey, or Bella' OMG flashback, where he's either talking to both of them or Maya specifically about what happened with her Dad and we get to see it in more detail. If it were to be in a similar vain to the Zoey flashback, we could see how Josy and Maya met and became friends, how/when Maya became attracted to her, how their relationship continued after the camping trip, how her Dad found out, and how they ended up arguing so much.

I feel like the MC has to at some point get some more info on this because surely anyone in that situation would be a bit curious about their history, and considering he tried to ask Jill about Bella's husband, I could see him asking Maya more about her Dad and about her and Josy.

 

[xsssssssss]

This is something I very much hope for. I'd like to see something akin to the MC's flashback about Zoey, or Bella' OMG flashback, where he's either talking to both of them or Maya specifically about what happened with her Dad and we get to see it in more detail. If it were to be in a similar vain to the Zoey flashback, we could see how Josy and Maya met and became friends, how/when Maya became attracted to her, how their relationship continued after the camping trip, how her Dad found out, and how they ended up arguing so much.

I feel like the MC has to at some point get some more info on this because surely anyone in that situation would be a bit curious about their history, and considering he tried to ask Jill about Bella's husband, I could see him asking Maya more about her Dad and about her and Josy.

Personally i want less flashbacks.
There's ocassions where it useful but should be used very sparingly, otherwise it'll distract from current time.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Maya now has the chance to make her own decisions and we're already seeing her do that with regards to joining the HOTs in the belief that she can get tuition and not have to rely on her Dad, and on deciding to keep things casual with the MC and Josy while they figure things, so she's showing signs of change already and hopefully she'll continue to improve.

at the moment few signs in this sense

HOT's free tuition would be a mirage, and for a girl with a lot of trouble in managing an uninhibited sexuality, expecially a dick.., it would be a very hard route. she has to cheat like never before it seems to me more a desperate choice than a reasoned decision


I will be standing to applaud his first autonomous decision

 

[felicemastronzo]

Derek and John Boy are twins...

 

[mindern]

I agree that Jill does seem very strong as a person but I think alot of that is because she doesn't seem to have any kind of drama or baggage compared to the other LIs but I would be surprrised if that doesn't change further into the story.

Or she’s the other side of her “baggage”. Her being bullied in the past is a heavily referenced thing. It influences her behaviour with the MC and she stands up for him. “Does what she wished people did for her” when she reports Chad.

Now she’s organising charity stuff and campaigns for anti-bullying initiatives. I doubt she’s entirely “over” being bullied but it’s a nice change of pace that her emotional baggage is something she’s overcome rather than something she’s held back by.

I agree something will come up in the future though. I think she will have an emotional guy punch at some point but as it stands she’s relatively stable at the moment.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Personally i want less flashbacks.
There's ocassions where it useful but should be used very sparingly, otherwise it'll distract from current time.

I don't mind the flashbacks if it actually serves a purpose as far as the story goes. However, a flashback just to enlighten us about a characters past that could be shared just as easily with a conversation? Waste of time and resources, granted it's not my time/resources. However we can't interact with anything/anyone and it doesn't advance the story so it really is just a waste IMO.

 

[lemonfreak]

I agree something will come up in the future though. I think she will have an emotional guy punch at some point but as it stands she’s relatively stable at the moment.

I know that's a typo but if DPC does show some arsehole punching Jill I will type angrilly on the internet

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I know that's a typo but if DPC does show some arsehole punching Jill I will type angrilly on the internet

Or earn another DIK Major Choice

 

[Rinbael]

Or she’s the other side of her “baggage”. Her being bullied in the past is a heavily referenced thing. It influences her behaviour with the MC and she stands up for him. “Does what she wished people did for her” when she reports Chad.

Now she’s organising charity stuff and campaigns for anti-bullying initiatives. I doubt she’s entirely “over” being bullied but it’s a nice change of pace that her emotional baggage is something she’s overcome rather than something she’s held back by.

I agree something will come up in the future though. I think she will have an emotional guy punch at some point but as it stands she’s relatively stable at the moment.

True. I forgot about her anti-bullying stuff she's my favorite out of all the main LIs because she seems to be the most normal and drama free out of everyone. She also seems to be DPCs favorite as well so I'm hoping any of the possible drama approaching isn't to bad and doesn't involve something like a house fire.

 

[lemonfreak]

Or earn another DIK Major Choice

I don't think it's an either/or situation

 

[Rinbael]

I don't mind the flashbacks if it actually serves a purpose as far as the story goes. However, a flashback just to enlighten us about a characters past that could be shared just as easily with a conversation? Waste of time and resources, granted it's not my time/resources. However we can't interact with anything/anyone and it doesn't advance the story so it really is just a waste IMO.

The only characters that really need flashbacks are in my opinion are Bella and Quinn. Though I agree that its kind of a waste of time otherwise.

 

[Mormont]

I know that's a typo but if DPC does show some arsehole punching Jill I will type angrilly on the internet

I don't think any violence will come into play with the bullying side of it from way back in ep3 I think it was brought up on here that Jill suffered a stutter and that's the reason why she was bullied but rich kids can make the worst kind of bullies so she could have just been a target for them.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I don't think any violence will come into play with the bullying side of it from way back in ep3 I think it was brought up on here that Jill suffered a stutter and that's the reason why she was bullied but rich kids can make the worst kind of bullies so she could have just been a target for them.

Was that in the game? Or insider knowledge from DPC?

 

[Mormont]

Was that in the game? Or insider knowledge from DPC?

It was a user that pointed it out a while back or it could have just been DPC writing but the user suggested that she shows signs of a stutter it's not as prominent but it's one of the ideas that stretched back to ep2-3

 

[redknight00]

I know you guys are loving playing The Last of Us 2, but this is the Being a Dick thread, keep it on topic.

 

[Siphon]

It could also be way worse if the MC is also romancing Bella and Jill at the same time. Especially if she catches the MC and Bella fooling around.

To be fair you tell her about you dating two other chicks on your first date with her and she's surprisingly chill.

I doubt she’s entirely “over” being bullied but it’s a nice change of pace that her emotional baggage is something she’s overcome rather than something she’s held back by.

Woah now, don't be crazy. This is a porn game, women can't have personal growth unless it is fueled by sex with the main character. Like that old Family Guy gag, "Over the next 90 minutes, I'm going to show you how all your problems can be solved by my penis"

 

[Rinbael]

To be fair you tell her about you dating two other chicks on your first date with her and she's surprisingly chill.


Woah now, don't be crazy. This is a porn game, women can't have personal growth unless it is fueled by sex with the main character. Like that old Family Guy gag, "Over the next 90 minutes, I'm going to show you how all your problems can be solved by my penis"

True but she isn't expecting you to date her best friend who she has done something with before according to there talk when they are in bed.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

To be fair you tell her about you dating two other chicks on your first date with her and she's surprisingly chill.

She does say that knowing there's competition isn't such a good feeling, but at this point in their relationship there are no strings attached and he was sort of already seeing them before her, so her being so cool about it and not getting too jealous or possessive is quite good of her and shows some maturity.

True but she isn't expecting you to date her best friend who she has done something with before according to there talk when they are in bed.

Technically they're not dating, they're just two horny animals in heat that can't keep their hands off each other.

 

[Rinbael]

She does say that knowing there's competition isn't such a good feeling, but at this point in their relationship there are no strings attached and he was sort of already seeing them before her, so her being so cool about it and not getting too jealous or possessive is quite good of her and shows some maturity.



Technically they're not dating, they're just two horny animals in heat that can't keep their hands off each other.

Yeah but Jill also said that seeing other people while in relationship is "despicable" and as far as we know Bella is still married so depending on what happened with that could make Jill very upset if she finds out.