VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

The issue with M&J is that their interlinked situation draws up a natural comparison between their actions up to the reveal.

Josy's dialogue reveal to the MC that she is in a relationship, she does like you and she will eventually choose either option. The nature of her (scripted and unavoidable) interactions with the MC is that you are both willing to initiate contact and pursue each other i.e She phones you on the first night but it's MC who suggests the second date.

With Maya you never have a moment of clarity but are left swinging from the extremes.

You have the whole 'honesty' conversation where you have to commit to it but she won't until you prove yourself.
I have a boyfriend, I don't have a boyfriend.
Cuddle up to me on my bed but don't fall for me.
Going to grind you, get you abducted and effectively raped by another woman but I'm a sweet innocent thing, here's a kiss now back to your side of the room.

Maya is definitely 'complicated' and if that's your area of interest then fair enough but Leah scarred me the last time around (AL) so I'm sticking with the more interesting straight shooters of Sage and Josy and even the dull but hot Jillian.

fortunately I believe that this phase of Maya is behind us

now there is a bet on the triple or double pair, which of the two will pay better?

I think the triple will be the most complicated path, but on the other hand, waiting for the couple to break out is quite sad, with all the complications of the girl who would be excluded

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

I meant to write senior at the start, not sophomore, sorry. Already edited the comment. So yeah, she's either in her 3rd or 4th. We're on the same page, I just shouldn't start commenting right after waking up before my brain starts working properly.

No worries, happened to me before.

now I don't remember the exact words, but I seem to remember that she directly tells MC that next year she would go away, and when MC asks her why she talks about graduation

The thing is we are not sure how many years is her course.

 

[Maviarab]

He IS being merciful by not tossing 5 dramas at you in one go. Sage's, Jill's and Bella's turn will arrive as their back stories are being revealed. The question is who's next? My bet is on Sage with the HOT drama and Mel/Sarah's move and Heather's move coming.

What we also have to remember here is that Mel/Sarah seeing the MC is not a canonical event. That event only happens if on the Sage path. so going forward (as hundreds of variable branches is too much to expect) is that that scene is exclusive to that path and not going to be particularly big going forward). Many people (and I have 4 saves alone alone where I don't) do not pursue Sage.

Going home for the weekend is a canonical event. Spying on Chad etc, staying the night with Jill, walking out of Maya's dorm etc...movie night (even if you are not there), are all canonical events regardless of what you choose/do. The Mel/Sarah scene is exclusive to the Sage path...so I don't see it having any real long term relevence personally, unless Dp really is going to have multiple completely seperate storylines as if you are not fuck buddies with Sage, do not teach her how to play the guitar, you are quite simply not there for them to see you.

No worries, happened to me before.

The thing is we are not sure how many years is her course.

But she does state she won't be president anymore due to graduating, unless a slight in the writing, that does suggest she is in her final year.

 

[felicemastronzo]

what we also have to remember here is that Mel/Sarah seeing the MC is not a canonical event. That event only happens if on the Sage path. so going forward (as hundreds of variable branches is too much to expect) is that that scene is exclusive to that path and not going to particularly big going forward). Many people (and I have 4 saves alone) do not pursue her.

Going home for the weekend is a canonical event. Spying on Chad etc, Staying the night with Jill, Walking out of Maya's dorm etc..all canonical events regardless of what you do. The Mel/Sarah scene is exclusive to the Sage path...so I don't see it having any real long term relevence personally, unless Dp really is going to have multiple completely seperate storylines.

I believe that the event will be the drug problem, then maybe depending on the Path followed it will have more or less scenes

the involvement of the HOTs is inevitable

 

[Liandre]

what we also have to remember here is that Mel/Sarah seeing the MC is not a canonical event. That event only happens if on the Sage path. so going forward (as hundreds of variable branches is too much to expect) is that that scene is exclusive to that path and not going to particularly big going forward). Many people (and I have 4 saves alone) do not pursue her.

Going home for the weekend is a canonical event. Spying on Chad etc, Staying the night with Jill, Walking out of Maya's dorm etc..all canonical events regardless of what you do. The Mel/Sarah scene is exclusive to the Sage path...so I don't see it having any real long term relevence personally, unless Dp really is going to have multiple completely seperate storylines.

you are right and second they are going to destroy train and they ride bike ....that will be bad for them for sure they want to seduce MC...omg sh.t mel/sarah are maybe the one who is going after Chad (maybe not whoo knows)

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

What we also have to remember here is that Mel/Sarah seeing the MC is not a canonical event. That event only happens if on the Sage path. so going forward (as hundreds of variable branches is too much to expect) is that that scene is exclusive to that path and not going to be particularly big going forward). Many people (and I have 4 saves alone alone where I don't) do not pursue Sage.

Going home for the weekend is a canonical event. Spying on Chad etc, staying the night with Jill, walking out of Maya's dorm etc...movie night (even if you are not there), are all canonical events regardless of what you choose/do. The Mel/Sarah scene is exclusive to the Sage path...so I don't see it having any real long term relevence personally, unless Dp really is going to have multiple completely seperate storylines as if you are not fuck buddies with Sage, do not teach her how to play the guitar, you are quite simply not there for them to see you.




But she does state she won't be president anymore due to graduating, unless a slight in the writing, that does suggest she is in her final year.

I.. have an issue with the word "canonical". Previously I asked if the fight with Caleb is canonical, and those who answered me here said it is. So I do not know what that word stands for anymore.

As for Sage, we'll just have to see how it pans out. Whether when Chad breaks up with her, will she turn into an axe-wielding murderous bitch, or will she come to you and cry her tears dry at your bosom. Although I suspect the second scenario will happen irregardless of whether you are her fuck-buddy or not, she just needs a shoulder to cry on and you are that shoulder.

But she does state she won't be president anymore due to graduating, unless a slight in the writing, that does suggest she is in her final year.

Unless she passes her baton early to focus on her last year.

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

what we also have to remember here is that Mel/Sarah seeing the MC is not a canonical event. That event only happens if on the Sage path. so going forward (as hundreds of variable branches is too much to expect) is that that scene is exclusive to that path and not going to particularly big going forward). Many people (and I have 4 saves alone) do not pursue her.

Going home for the weekend is a canonical event. Spying on Chad etc, Staying the night with Jill, Walking out of Maya's dorm etc..all canonical events regardless of what you do. The Mel/Sarah scene is exclusive to the Sage path...so I don't see it having any real long term relevence personally, unless Dp really is going to have multiple completely seperate storylines.

Not seeing the scene doesn't mean it never happens, though. It probably still does, we just won't be as involved (if at all) unless the MC is on Sage's path. Sarah specifically says after seeing Sage kiss the MC at the end of EP5 that "this will make it easier when Chad breaks up with her", meaning the whole plot is likely happening regardless, MC's involvement just adds more fuel to the fire.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Not seeing the scene doesn't mean it never happens, though. It probably still does, we just won't be as involved (if at all) unless the MC is on Sage's path. Sarah specifically says after seeing Sage kiss the MC at the end of EP5 that "this will make it easier when Chad breaks up with her", meaning the whole plot is likely happening regardless, MC's involvement just adds more fuel to the fire.

Chad breaking up with her, yes.

Easier or not depends on whether you are on the Sage path.

See my above post.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Not seeing the scene doesn't mean it never happens, though. It probably still does, we just won't be as involved (if at all) unless the MC is on Sage's path. Sarah specifically says after seeing Sage kiss the MC at the end of EP5 that "this will make it easier when Chad breaks up with her", meaning the whole plot is likely happening regardless, MC's involvement just adds more fuel to the fire.

But that's the rub, if you're not teaching her how to play the guitar, you wouldn't be there would you. So the Mel/Sarah scene can only play out on Sages path. So if you're not there, you can't kiss Sage, they can't see you.

I think we all agree here that Chad WILL breakup with Sage. Whether MC is part of the factor remains to be seen, BUT I think he's either actively a factor, or Chad will think he's a factor, since he already hate MC's guts and suspect MC for seducing Sage.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Mean parents, prostitution, and drug use (you forgot the Ep 4 Quinn Tommy heroin scene) are conflicts and plot devices. These elements can and are in any genre. Doctor Detroit was a hilarious comedy with prostitution, abusive parent (Mom), and drug use, and it isn't considered "dark" by any stretch of the imagination. "Dark" is a genre, like "westerns," "action," "romance," "sci-fi," "situation comedy," "drama", or "musical." "Dark" is a mood, an atmosphere, a theme that is grim and borders on the thriller and horror genres. The (rather brilliant) game City of Broken Dreams is a great example of the dark theme. If you want to SEE what the dark genre looks like, play this game, or watch shows like Dark Matter, or Space Above and Beyond, Blade Runner, or Escape From New York for some Dark Sci-Fi, or just about any Tim Burton movie. The Adams Family movies are dark comedies, etc. I'm reasonably sure you would not suggest that BADIK share the genre of these movies. BADIK has more in common with Glee than Blade Runner!

BADIK has not a single shift in theme so far up to Episode 5 and has remained true to its format. It is currently firmly a romantic sex college drama with strong comedic elements, with crime, intrigue, romance, betrayal and other interesting dramatic subplots. But there is yet to be the grim, dread, fear, terror, depressed mood, perpetual darkness, constant rain, and similar elements that make stories dark. These elements emerged (in the form of psycho-horror) in a sudden splash in AL act 3, which had been a romantic/sex drama up till that point. This was intentional on the part of the writer. He was going for shock value and subverting expectations by suddenly derailing the theme to something utterly dark. It was a gamble but in the end, it didn't work. It was sudden, emotionally violent, and painful (as intended). The characters you had come to care about were suddenly made to suffer brutally before your very eyes where moments before you were smiling and enjoying the romantic tension and humor. Shocking changes that, as one player put it "as I was forced to watch." Many people were very put off by that.

Of course there are conflicts going on in BADIK. Conflicts must be present to form a series of words into a story. Something bad happened to Ashley at the AnO party. Something's creepy with Bella. And other conflicts. None of which has to change the entire genre and theme of the story. That is the concern.

If City of Broken Dreams suddenly turned into a light hearted family friendly comedy in the 3rd act, you can be sure, people would be pissed.

10s across the board for this one.

I agree wholeheartedly that this game having "dark" elements doesn't mean it has to resort to killing off a character or even causing any of them some sort of physical pain. There's plenty of examples in fictitious stories where there are high stakes with dark elements and possible grave outcomes, but the story is also generally light in tone and all the major characters emerge unscathed, and this game could easily be one of them and very likely will be.

Think about it:
1) When Rusty started DIK, she's already there, maybe as HOT prez, maybe not.
2) DIK is around for at least 2 years, given logic and calculations, based on number of members and conversations. Which means MC joined DIK in the 3rd year of DIK foundation.

So she is either in her 3rd year or 4th year.

Sage being in her 4th year could add to her relationship drama because, while she could start a relationship with the MC if she finally breaks things off with Chad, it might only last for the rest of the year because after graduation she's likely to move away from B&R to find work. So, having potentially just come out of a messy break-up with someone she's been with for years, would she want to enter into a relationship with someone she may have to move away from later?

She might feel something for the MC, but in order to not feel heartbreak should she move away, she'd continue to keep their relationship casual even though she really wants more, and this inner conflict would be the source of some drama and friction between her and the MC.

The issue with M&J is that their interlinked situation draws up a natural comparison between their actions up to the reveal.

Josy's dialogue reveal to the MC that she is in a relationship, she does like you and she will eventually choose either option. The nature of her (scripted and unavoidable) interactions with the MC is that you are both willing to initiate contact and pursue each other i.e She phones you on the first night but it's MC who suggests the second date.

With Maya you never have a moment of clarity but are left swinging from the extremes.

You have the whole 'honesty' conversation where you have to commit to it but she won't until you prove yourself.
I have a boyfriend, I don't have a boyfriend.
Cuddle up to me on my bed but don't fall for me.
Going to grind you, get you abducted and effectively raped by another woman but I'm a sweet innocent thing, here's a kiss now back to your side of the room.

Maya is definitely 'complicated' and if that's your area of interest then fair enough but Leah scarred me the last time around (AL) so I'm sticking with the more interesting straight shooters of Sage and Josy and even the dull but hot Jillian.

Maya being conflicted and doing things that make her seem a bit all over the place don't put her in the same camp as Leah. She's an 18/19 year old girl who's still unsure of herself whilst also trying to cope with some heartbreaking developments in her life as well as feeling some strange new feelings for someone of the opposite gender when previously she's only ever liked girls, or at least one girl. She's a bit of an emotional mess, yes, but she's certainly not crazy like Leah.

People like that need emotional support, not to be shunned and treated like a leper just because she made some poor judgements which, again, come down to both her age and her emotional state at that time. I feel heart sorry for someone like Maya and the "lie of omission" doesn't bother me in the slightest as it wouldn't have changed anything even if she had said she had a girlfriend.

What hurt the most, for me, was the feeling that, instead of potentially just losing one girl that you like, it felt like you were now losing two at once. You were now faced with having not 1, but 2 love rivals who also happened to be characters that you were interested in, so it was a strange mix of emotions between heartbreak, uncertainty, and even a bit of hope, but then being forced to watch their first hook-up stung because it felt so much more emotional and intimate than anything they'd done with the MC.

I'm still not completely over all that and I was honestly dreading that moment in ep 5 when you see them go into a room together as I thought that we'd end up seeing them half-naked on the bed making out which would have re-opened that wound a fair bit. Fortunately DPC didn't do that, probably because they knew not to rub salt in the wounds of some people, and I'm hoping going forward that DPC can give players some greater reassurance through M&J interactions that there is something real between them and that this relationship can work.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Sage being in her 4th year could add to her relationship drama because, while she could start a relationship with the MC if she finally breaks things off with Chad, it might only last for the rest of the year because after graduation she's likely to move away from B&R to find work. So, having potentially just come out of a messy break-up with someone she's been with for years, would she want to enter into a relationship with someone she may have to move away from later?

She might feel something for the MC, but in order to not feel heartbreak should she move away, she'd continue to keep their relationship casual even though she really wants more, and this inner conflict would be the source of some drama and friction between her and the MC.

Ya know, if she belongs to one of the alphabet soup families or as one of the theory says, a Burke, she could stay and work in the alphabet university? If that happens then maybe she can be happy with the budding relationship?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Ya know, if she belongs to one of the alphabet soup families or as one of the theory says, a Burke, she could stay and work in the alphabet university? If that happens then maybe she can be happy with the budding relationship?

Well, considering we saw what was very likely to be her Dad in ep 5 and it wasn't Stephen, I doubt that. Besides, even if that were the case, she seems to have issues with her family as evidenced during the sparring training with the MC, so she'd probably want to move away from them.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Well, considering we saw what was very likely to be her Dad in ep 5 and it wasn't Stephen, I doubt that. Besides, even if that were the case, she seems to have issues with her family as evidenced during the sparring training with the MC, so she'd probably want to move away from them.

And from the carwash scene, when Quinn tells her to get a sponsorship.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I.. have an issue with the word "canonical". Previously I asked if the fight with Caleb is canonical, and those who answered me here said it is. So I do not know what that word stands for anymore.

As for Sage, we'll just have to see how it pans out. Whether when Chad breaks up with her, will she turn into an axe-wielding murderous bitch, or will she come to you and cry her tears dry at your bosom. Although I suspect the second scenario will happen irregardless of whether you are her fuck-buddy or not, she just needs a shoulder to cry on and you are that shoulder.

Unless she passes her baton early to focus on her last year.

The fight with Caleb is not canonical because it can be avoided.

In short, anything that is "canon" are things that are unavoidable. Anything that is based on choice is therefore not canon.

 

[Phynix]

On a slightly different topic. I have forgotten, but other than Quinn's business, where do HOTs get their money?

 

[Meushi]

I.. have an issue with the word "canonical". Previously I asked if the fight with Caleb is canonical, and those who answered me here said it is. So I do not know what that word stands for anymore.

No wonder you're confused, not sure everyone is across what canononical means. With respect to fictional works it conventionally means official, as distinct from fan works etc. So everything DPC puts in the game is canonical, someone doing a mod that changes Jill's name to June is non-canonical.

The Caleb fight/no-fight is more like alternate timelines/realities. The multiverse is confusing but full of possibilities.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

On a slightly different topic. I have forgotten, but other than Quinn's business, where do HOTs get their money?

For all we know, "community stuff" could be a euphemism, but if it isn't then it's probably doing some volunteer charity work where the raise money for the sorority by helping out the local community.

 

[Sculp]

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SPOİLER SPOİLER SPOILER SPOILER I have a quick question in episode 4 there is post in dıkoffical cathy's naked photo right? and someoene post that thing and it is not dık's. Also in episode 5 ın the mansion of preps bathroom where sarah, heather and melanie where talking. Sarah is saying that she snooped around in the dık mansion and find out that they have crabs PLUS in the episode 5 when mc visit's sage to teach her how to play guitar sarah and melanie saying that they will inform chad that mc and sage more friendly than they should so the real question is did sarah upload the photo of cathy does anyone knows.

 

[felicemastronzo]

No wonder you're confused, not sure everyone is across what canononical means. With respect to fictional works it conventionally means official, as distinct from fan works etc. So everything DPC puts in the game is canonical, someone doing a mod that changes Jill's name to June is non-canonical.

The Caleb fight/no-fight is more like alternate timelines/realities. The multiverse is confusing but full of possibilities.

an additional difficulty is how to consider what we see or is told to us directly in one path, while in another it may or may not be real.

 

[Phynix]

Yeah it really could be anything, community 'stuff'...fundraisers...donations, member fee's etc. As it's stated, all the houses do it in one form or another with the exception of Rusty.

It's pretty obvious I think that the need for money with Quinn is due to the drugs and she probably owes someone a lot of cash...hence the resteraunt services too. Big question is: How much does Sage know of what's going on, if anything? I don't get the impression she is that stupid personally to be completely oblivious to what's going in her house (Quinn is also nowhere near intelligent enough to not make mistakes and hide it from her).

Sage doesn't seem to know anything about it. If memory serves there are a few scenes where Quinn with someone else is discussing business and they change topic/stop talking as soon as Sage shows up.

EDIT- and im sure that if Sage would know or find out about it, she would give in and ask her parents for money to prevent that.