To be honest that's also true for Maya and that's why I said earlier without the mc as a "third wheel" or at least a true friend the Josy-Maya relationship is bound to fail. They are way too different from each other and without the mc their relationship would be like the outgoing Josy trying to force the reclusive Maya out of her protective shell and that wouldn't end well for anyone.
Excellent points for Quinn and Jill but at least in episode 7 DPC explicitly made it a point where characters beat Jill over the head at how stupid and naive she has acted and that she seriously needs to step up her game.I can't agree at all; no matter how badly Quinn needed the money, there was no excuse not to tell Tommy and/or Rusty the HOTs were ditching so the DIKs could make other plans. That was Tommy's point, and on that point he was 100% correct. Not only was that Quinn's job (explicitly given to her by Sage), but it's the sort of basic courtesy any friend should do for another. Instead, Quinn ducked the responsibility leading to a completely predictable clusterfuck, then lashed out when people called her on her mistake.
Pointing out all the Tri-Alpha parties Tommy ruined is a bizarre defense, because Tommy has never had anything but contempt for the jocks. Are we supposed to take that as an indication Quinn hates Tommy and the DIKs? That seems unlikely, and yet here we are. Quinn would rather avoid a tough conversation than admit she might need some help - even when (as Tommy pointed out) there was no way to avoid that conversation permanently.
Quinn is completely in the wrong on this. I think that's precisely why she's so angry about it; it's hard to maintain her self-image as a cunning chessmaster when her pawns can easily point out her mistakes. Unfortunately, the only way Quinn seems able to deal with that dichotomy is to completely stonewall any sense of introspection and lash out whoever tries to help her make the connection.
And I think that says everything we need to know about Quinn. She's on some industrial-strength denial.
Given that the only way to help Riona is to fuck her, I'm hoping she'll be okay without our help, too.
And frankly, I'm skeptical this will make much of an impact on Quinn either way, unless the connection between her own actions and what happens to Riona is extremely short and extremely direct. Quinn's mental filter is too strong for any sort of indirect consequence to break through.
Yes, Jill is turning out to be a much less interesting character than it first appeared, which is a real shame. Virgin drama is tiresome IHMO, but the real problem is her egregious stupidity.
Tybalt has never made a secret of his elitist views, yet Jill still seems surprised at the contents of his anti-welfare presentation. Plus, she recognizes that Tybalt is blackmailing her to have dates with him and agreed to his terms... but apparently never realized that she'd actually have to go on those dates! It takes a week for her just to beg Bella to get her out of the mess she specifically volunteered for! Bella can lampshade it all she likes, that makes no sense.
I mean, I want to sympathize with Jill; making a sacrifice for a loved one is a classic trope. But this has to be one of the worst implementations of it I've ever seen. On top of that, the game makes it clear that Tybalt is zero (zip, zilch, nada) threat to the MC. He's an incompetent boob who's been nothing but a laughingstock for 7 episodes running, and his punishments keep getting worse! The way this game is going, if he did try to get the MC in legal trouble, Tybalt would probably wind up tortured by Jack Bauer on suspicion of terrorism.
Frankly, this has been a mess. I'm hoping Jill can recover if this blasted blackmail subplot finally dies, but it's sure taking its sweet time dying.
Well, my main route is Maya/Josy, exclusive so I've seen all the friendship Sage path stuff. And I've been hoping we would get another chance to date her properly when Chad finally broke up with her. That said, I was a little disappointed that the scene plays out as just an over-the-top sex fest with no real discussion of what else might happen between them.
I mean, I get that Sage likes sex, doesn't like introspection, and isn't ready to leap into a new relationship. But I would think an MC (particularly a CHICKish one) who didn't feel comfortable cheating with Sage would want something a little more involved than a very public roll in the hay with Sage. Maybe it's just me, but I think I'm slightly less enthusiastic about my planned CHICK Sage non-fuck buddy run now than I was back before I knew it would be possible.
On a similar note, it's odd that fuck buddies automatically want more with Sage this time out, without any say so on our part. Perhaps that would create too much branching even for DPC. It's clear the whole "rebound guy" issue is going to be a thing for a while. I guess we'll see what happens when Episode 8 rolls around and we the MC and Sage have time to explore their new relationship outside the heat of the moment.
You mean this ? Yeah, that is the Just Friends path, nothing to do with affinity or status.
On Jill, I realize people point out her naivety; that's what I meant by lampshading. I just think that wasn't enough. Jill's story required a level of stupidity far beyond what could be reasonable in a young adult. I mean, what exactly does she need Bella's help for? Unless she thinks she won't be able to resist Tybalt's charms, why not have the dates ASAP then be done with it?
You have to get all the Alphas to leave the party first, then talk to Jacob and it should work.
I did backpeddle on my Quinn simping from my original post when it was rightly pointed out to me that Quinn's actions hurt the DIKs' and the HOTs' reputation. I was looking at the scene from Quinn's POV which I still think she's correct about - she had no choice but to ditch the DIKs and go solicit the preps because she was short her dues. Tommy has absolutely no ground to stand on criticizing Quinn on anything she did, which is why she appears to win the argument with him, but anyone else from the DIKs or HOTs has ample ground to call her out on her shit obviously.
I don't think Riona will be okay even WITH our help, I think DPC is setting her up for a fall. Riona is super nice to everyone, non-judgmental, is getting her own establishing scenes, and is the poster-character for Quinn's drug and prostitution services. If anything goes wrong, and it will, better believe Riona's gonna take a hit. I hope we can save her from it cuz I'm a big fan of the character but yeah. I do think that something happening to Riona would impact Quinn a lot, at least from the proximity of the fallout.
You know why I'm favoring Quinn over Chad bro, it's cuz she hot af. No doubt Quinn is morally worse than Chad, I agree that Quinn is probably #2 or even #1 asshole in the game, if you don't go on her route she's Queen Cunt to some really cool people, including MC. I never claimed that Quinn shouldn't receive any retribution for what she's done, I'm not dilusional, I just wanna bang her. If Quinn were a man or not hot, I'd give her the Tybalt treatment ASAP. Truth is though, Chad deserves to get his cock kicked in by someone, nothing hyperbolic about it. Comparing him to Quinn doesn't lessen that fact.
Technically, it could be done. It would require all 9 DIKs work $3 jobs for both rounds. That would take some heavy reloading, but it can be done if the DIKs have the right stats. If they can work $4 jobs, it's even easier.
To satisfy my curiosity I just did a quick playthrough as a CHICK MC without Sage as a fuck-buddy, only pursuing her when the choice is offered in ep 7 - and I have to say I didn't think it made a whole lot of sense, story-wise. I rejected Sage at every stage (really really hard to do, but I managed it) and only succumbed to her relentless flirting at the party in ep 7 -- at which point you still get the full 100% lewd scene with her, the same as if you'd been with her every step of the way as a DIK MC for the last 7 episodes. So barely any scenes with her, rejected her advances repeatedly, didn't comfort her when she was sick, yet you get the same result. The choice to pursue her and the resultant payoff just felt completely unearned and nonsensical, and it kind of diminishes all the relationship building you do with her on the DIK path, in my view.
That's weird, have you used someone else's save or are you using the mod or something? Only thing I can think of is something's up with your persistent file. Maybe someone more familiar with renpy can help out.
Try an autosave? The game gets autosaved pretty regularly, open your save/load and click the a section. Shouldn't be an autosave too far back.
But he doesn't have 100% of the cleanup either, he's not going to be able to put all the DIKs to work.
on Sage there's a big problem of time compression, which is unfortunately common to these stories.
I think it depended on what decision the player made in EP4. On the Josy/Maya path, Maya also enjoyed her time with the MC, but she was unsure about boys. Maya asks a lot of questions up until EP7. But in EP7, Maya loses all her insecurity and moves right up with Josy.
I half disagree: I think it makes a lot of sense to be able to get Sage even if you haven't been pursuing her prior to this, simply because this is the first time she was genuinely "available" to be pursued properly. Prior to this she was either already in a relationship, or in the immediate aftermath of a miserable breakup. So if an MC liked Sage but wanted more than just a fling with her, this was the only chance he'd had to start something.
That final question, it is DPC who puts the danger and not our decisions, is something I thought when I got to my save DIK and Bella closed the curtain on me. I laughed a lot thinking about what my character CHICK did at the HOT party with barely a consequence (at the time I thought it was cool that Sage would score you 2 out of 5 if you fucked anyone else before her, it was a way to give some action-reaction to the freeroam).
