Fazed

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is lesbian avoidable
there's literally 2 people asking that and I go to every harem thread. everyone else is just fine because thats how internet porn developed. Only now u have ppl feeling threatened and being butt hurt over girl on girl action when it's all just for "male gaze" anyway.

*Most* people actually dont give a shit about that. Whatever congregation that sprung up over the last 2 or so years is not representative of *most*. Why? because again, porn logic, and its still going strong.

Now thats not to say I dont want options in the fame. I am all for options so each player can experience what they want. I just dont like this bullshit argument about this group of ppl who are supposed to represent "most harem fans".
 

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there's literally 2 people asking that and I go to every harem thread. everyone else is just fine because thats how internet porn developed. Only now u have ppl feeling threatened and being butt hurt over girl on girl action when it's all just for "male gaze" anyway.

*Most* people actually dont give a shit about that. Whatever congregation that sprung up over the last 2 or so years is not representative of *most*. Why? because again, porn logic, and its still going strong.

Now thats not to say I dont want options in the fame. I am all for options so each player can experience what they want. I just dont like this bullshit argument about this group of ppl who are supposed to represent "most harem fans".
I didn't know that to begin with, kind of build the game around stuff I enjoy :). But I don't want people to feel threatened when lesbian content is not avoidable so I build a way to make it avoidable. Just that easy, I did it because it really was just 3 hours of work and compared to the entire project, that's really nothing.

If I can get people to play and enjoy the novel when I make it avoidable I'm happy to do so. That's just my humble opinion on it though!

Also I'm working on version 0.1.1 currently and there will be an option! to disable the lesbian content beside many many other fixes and minor stuff!

Cheers!
 

Fazed

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I didn't know that to begin with, kind of build the game around stuff I enjoy :). But I don't want people to feel threatened when lesbian content is not avoidable so I build a way to make it avoidable. Just that easy, I did it because it really was just 3 hours of work and compared to the entire project, that's really nothing.

If I can get people to play and enjoy the novel when I make it avoidable I'm happy to do so. That's just my humble opinion on it though!

Also I'm working on version 0.1.1 currently and there will be an option! to disable the lesbian content beside many many other fixes and minor stuff!

Cheers!
Lol if they feel threatened by lesbian harem content it's not your problem. Personally I enjoy that kinds of les scenes but adding that option is a good move from a gameplay standpoint anyways. As long as it fits within your vision for the game. No point in making something you aren't proud of in the end.
 

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Lol if they feel threatened by lesbian harem content it's not your problem. Personally I enjoy that kinds of les scenes but adding that option is a good move from a gameplay standpoint anyways. As long as it fits within your vision for the game. No point in making something you aren't proud of in the end.
Adding additional content won't hurt! I'm also satisfied with the one additional animation I made for that content, so I'm fine!
 

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there's literally 2 people asking that and I go to every harem thread. everyone else is just fine because thats how internet porn developed. Only now u have ppl feeling threatened and being butt hurt over girl on girl action when it's all just for "male gaze" anyway.

*Most* people actually dont give a shit about that. Whatever congregation that sprung up over the last 2 or so years is not representative of *most*. Why? because again, porn logic, and its still going strong.

Now thats not to say I dont want options in the fame. I am all for options so each player can experience what they want. I just dont like this bullshit argument about this group of ppl who are supposed to represent "most harem fans".

Ii sould have deleted my comments because I no longer follow the game, but since you quoted me I feel obliged to answer.

first of all, if you only have seen two people asking for avoidable lesbians in a harem game then you you are either a liar, or you dont know how to count. I strongly urge you to count the people in this thread ONLY and see if they are "literally 2 people" hell just count the pople who are under my post about straight harems.

I do give a shit about lesbians. I want the option to shut them down and have a straight (shocker I know) harem.
and yes, Most harem players actually give a shit about this content being AVOIDABLE, hence you see the follow up question about dropping the Lesbian/bi LI., but judging by your counting ability you propably believe its literally 2 people.

the dev knows though. he/she saw the thread. they can testify if your numbers hold true. ( hint.. they dont)

as I said, dev should see for him/herself, but he/she made it abundantly clear that lebian is skipable( happens either way in the background) so I wished him/her luck and departed. I didnt target anyone they way you though smart to do.

also just because YOU dont give a shit about lesbians/bi, and you enjoy it doesnt mean everyone else does. Numbers speak mate. oh sorry, I forgot. "literally 2 people" . kinda obvious if you look at this thread.

Just because" porn logic", doesnt mean its the right logic, doesnt mean jack shit. as far as I understand, devs try to create games with story and adult elements, and not straight up porn for peeps to fap to pretty pictures. you have pornhub for that.

times are changing. people move on. straight people are the majority still though.
now that might cause some buthurt lesbian lovers to turn to porn and fap games to live their need for the world to be half straight and half bi/lesb/gay/itchy, but when they close their pc, they have to face the bitter reality. lots of grass in their future.

there is only one thing I agree with you. Avoidability. for example in the bathroom scene, dev could give the option to barge in and stop them. give them an earfull and make them rethink what the fuck they are doing. easy, AVOIIDABLE.
he also suggested the Friends with Benefits, could be broken up. but no, he chose the skipable, happens either way, and obviously WITHOUT the MC. so they fuck eachother behind the MC's back. the Lis.

anyway. this is my last post. as I said, the game looks incredible. l love HS2 graphics and dev has made a phenomenal job.
the content is not for me. I believe I have been polite with the dev,
I return all the sarcasm , irony, patronising attitude and high horsing back to you.
peope like you are causing more damage than good.

p.s. nobody is feeling threatened mate. people are just sick and tired of the same ol same ol bullshit, prostitute li, cawhore li, lesbian/bi li, raped li.
they just want a change and some originality. I guess that bothers people like you who are blessed with an abundance of "porn logic" but sterile creativity and imagination. I get it. you just want to fap.

on a personal level, I wish you all the best and always good in your health. cheers
 
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ONLY and see if they are "literally 2 people" hell just count the pople who are under my post about straight harems
Lol maybe I should have said 54, or27. or maybe 63? im sure those arbitrary number will hold up to the the traffic that actually goes through this site. I can bet it's not *most*. Maybe just very vocal but not most. Surely you didnt expect me to list all the harem games I have visited and give you an approximation of the amount of whiners I see?

for the rest of what you said, i's not like I think you are totally wrong. There are tags I don't want to see either. I dont claim to be the majority though even though I'm sure I am when I say .FUCK NTR :BootyTime:
Anyway ofc most people are straight. The population would dwindle...for obvious reasons. But what I am saying is girl x girl stuff in porn has traditionally been for straight male gaze mostly and I dont think it's farfetched to It is still largely the case now. I think it's fairly obvious. You may not like it and you are within your right to not like it, but I dont think that is going to change any time soon.

I admit it is my preference that those scenes exist in these games. Optional or not. But I don't need it to be there, and I would prefer if it at least has some build up or foundation. And yea I am also of the opinion that VN are not just mindless porn, at least the good ones aren't but that doesnt mean they are not still influenced by porn, when it is all erotic fantasy and almost all media influences porn.

So like I said, I'm all for content being modular/optional so each player can experience what they want. But "coomers" 30 years ago are pretty much the same as coomers today. Whether its playboy mags or erotic VN's.
 

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also, and this will be my last post here.
Dev, you have made a beautiful game and you have shown to us that you are aproachable and engaging person. you care about your art
so I leave you with two pieces of advise. take them into acount , discard them or whatever. at the end of the day it is your game indeed

firstly just roam a bit in harem forums. do the research. see for yourself how things are, what makes games succesfull and what brings them down

secondly. there are two kinds of people in here

the ones who say, "make your game the way you want dev and dont listen to a,b,c (insert slurr)

and the ones who point out what might work and what might not work in your game, offer advise for you to take into account (or not)

your choise who to listen.
 
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what happen to the incest tag? is there incest in this game or did you remove it?
also what is the patch for? ( patch coming soob )
 

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Lol maybe I should have said 54, or27. or maybe 63? im sure those arbitrary number will hold up to the the traffic that actually goes through this site. I can bet it's not *most*. Maybe just very vocal but not most. Surely you didnt expect me to list all the harem games I have visited and give you an approximation of the amount of whiners I see?

for the rest of what you said, i's not like I think you are totally wrong. There are tags I don't want to see either. I dont claim to be the majority though even though I'm sure I am when I say .FUCK NTR :BootyTime:
Anyway ofc most people are straight. The population would dwindle...for obvious reasons. But what I am saying is girl x girl stuff in porn has traditionally been for straight male gaze mostly and I dont think it's farfetched to It is still largely the case now. I think it's fairly obvious. You may not like it and you are within your right to not like it, but I dont think that is going to change any time soon.

I admit it is my preference that those scenes exist in these games. Optional or not. But I don't need it to be there, and I would prefer if it at least has some build up or foundation. And yea I am also of the opinion that VN are not just mindless porn, at least the good ones aren't but that doesnt mean they are not still influenced by porn, when it is all erotic fantasy and almost all media influences porn.

So like I said, I'm all for content being modular/optional so each player can experience what they want. But "coomers" 30 years ago are pretty much the same as coomers today. Whether its playboy mags or erotic VN's.

you find me agreeing in pretty much most of what you say. if I had the knowledge, I would offer as much help to worthy devs as I could. alas the only thing I can do is just support them with a few euros.

if I could I would post the harem games (and not only) I have seen change because people objected to devs choises. insist on the most, as i will tell you that omst dont like the specific thiing you dont like. we all know what happens when those three letters appear.
they are more than that and you know it. really, though it matters not. as I said, at the end of the day, it is a dev's choise.

yeah I am with you there fuck ntr and I will add, fuck sharing and swinging too.
 
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also, and this will be my last post here.
Dev, you have made a beautiful game and you have shown to us that you are aproachable and engaging person. you care about your art
so I leave you with two pieces of advise. take them into acount , discard them or whatever. at the end of the day it is your game indeed

firstly just roam a bit in harem forus. do the research. see for yourself how things are, what makes games succesfull and what brings them down

secondly. there are two kinds of people in here

the ones who say, "make your game the way you want dev and dont listen to a,b,c (insert slurr)

and the ones who point out what might work and what might not work in your game, offer advise for you to take into account (or not)

your choise who to listen.
Thank you, I give my best to make everyone happy.

Sidenote: You probably overread it but I indeed have made lesbian content completely avoidable in version 0.1.1 which will come this weekend. I hope you reconsider your choice and give it a try!
 

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they are more than that and you know it. really, though it matters not. as I said, at the end of the day, it is a dev's choise.

yeah I am with you there fuck ntr and I will add, fuck sharing and swinging too.
Devs aren't always right, and I am one to give my 2 critical cents just like you have, but I think on this topic it will be fine either way. Seems this dev has gone for the more player friendly option in the end. Which is good.

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true. les/bi has never gone supernova like "fuckthatshit" but it has caused devs to change their game,and content.
half an hour ago I droped a game which for the milionth time has a li be an excibitionist prostitude. :rolleyes: take a wild guess what was going on in the forum.

i came to the conclusion that even if that shit is avoidable, or different path or whattever I just ignore it. devs just cant make it work and the atmospheare bleeds in the "clean" path. first game I ever layed believe it or not was BB. I forfeighted all content and mmy sole purpose was to kill that mofo. the minute I did, I alt f4 -shift/del the game and never touched that shit again. ( though I did give it a second chance with tyrant because it advertised avoidable but the vanilla path was, well, empty, so I dumped that too)

I understand the spice part, and really I had no problem wiith it, the first few dozen games. but it got so repetitive that I seriously started losing my interest.

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I am dangerously off topic. so Ill go play some valheim and leave the thread and you in peace.
 

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so uh, clickables, I found 0 and now I'm trying to go back through and it's like well clicking anywhere advances the text.. are they highlighted or anything or am I just gonna have to keep trying clicking on background objects and backing up the text to find them?
 

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so uh, clickables, I found 0 and now I'm trying to go back through and it's like well clicking anywhere advances the text.. are they highlighted or anything or am I just gonna have to keep trying clicking on background objects and backing up the text to find them?
Have a look at the options menu!

There will be a hint in the tutorial about clickables and the options menu setting version 0.1.1!
 

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so uh, clickables, I found 0 and now I'm trying to go back through and it's like well clicking anywhere advances the text.. are they highlighted or anything or am I just gonna have to keep trying clicking on background objects and backing up the text to find them?
Check the Option/Preference and select/turn on the "Clickable Hint" and there will be hint, but be alerted they are there during the dialogues and not in free-roam mode, so don't click too fast/skip dialogues.
 
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