VN Ren'Py Between Two Worlds [Ch. 8] [Drooskati]

[_Daxx_]

I think Skyler had a pretty intense crush on the MC, that maybe she wasn't fully aware of or willing to admit to herself (while admitting to herself that she found him attractive was easier). As the scene played out, it was trusted friends engaging in exploration and discovery. If they kissed, it might have made her aware of more feelings... which could had led to her feeling quite guilty, when it was all said and done.

*snip*

But I think the MC sees it as inherently romantic. And I've personally known people, women especially, who said they kissed someone and enjoyed it but nothing more, and kissed other people and, almost like a switch was flipped, realized "oh shit, I'm not just having fun, I'm really into this person."

This I actually don't quite get, if the MC doesn't kiss Sky because he sees kissing as something inherently romantic, why is he so okay with his girlfriend (who has already stated she is attracted to Sky) kissing her like that. Surely if he's of the mind that kissing her is too romantic because he finds her attractive then the same should go for his partner no? Again this boils down to me believing that if there is an unspoken rule against kissing during the threesome that it should apply to each of them & not just the MC.

I get that from a story point of view that MC & Skyler kissing could be the thing that makes her realise that she does in fact have this crush on the MC & that happening at this point would be too soon & it happening in the middle of that scene would have changed it drastically in the exact way you described, so it could have been left out for that reason. But if that was the case then I kinda feel like it would have made sense that Hannah & MC had a discussion about not kissing Sky before the scene so that at least we as players would be aware that it was a conscious decision for it not happening. As it stands it just feels like it's something missing. Again I just feel like it should be either both makeout with her or neither do, because even if it's not meant to it does feel like Hannah is far more intimate with Sky than the MC is for a few people mostly due to how they kissed like that. Again, just an opinion here & trying to get across how & why it might feel this way to some people. Not trying to get the Dev to alter or change scenes like he did with the D&D mind control scene in the previous chapter. Again, Devs game & Devs story, I want him to tell it how he wants to. Just giving an opinion on why some are perceiving things a certain way.

Ya'll are equating platonic kisses with intimate or romantic kisses. There is a major difference.

Wait, are you saying that the kiss between Hannah & Sky was platonic & not intimate at all? Because it certainly didn't look that way, it seemed very intimate to me.

 

[Drooskati]

Wait, are you saying that the kiss between Hannah & Sky was platonic & not intimate at all? Because it certainly didn't look that way, it seemed very intimate to me.

Nope, I said that as very close female friends of college age, they have shared run of the mill kisses in the past. It's not uncommon. And as such, moving from that to a more intimate form of expression isn't a big jump.

 

[_Daxx_]

Nope, I said that as very close female friends of college age, they have shared run of the mill kisses in the past. It's not uncommon. And as such, moving from that to a more intimate form of expression isn't a big jump.

That's fair enough, but given that I still don't get how that's fine but the MC doing the same would be too much when he fingers her, goes down on her & then receives a BJ the following morning. It just feels to me that him kissing her after Hannah did would have fit in perfectly with what they're trying to do.

I guess we just both view it pretty differently.

 

[Drooskati]

That's fair enough, but given that I still don't get how that's fine but the MC doing the same would be too much when he fingers her, goes down on her & then receives a BJ the following morning. It just feels to me that him kissing her after Hannah did would have fit in perfectly with what they're trying to do.

I guess we just both view it pretty differently.

I know this is going to taken the wrong way, but oh well. I've known a handful of "working girls" in my life thanks to web design work. These weren't the "street walker" types you see on cop drama shows. They legitimately considered themselves as professionals. For many of them, kissing simply wasn't on the "menu". For the ones who would do it, they charged a LOT more. Why? Because it's one thing to have sex. For a lot of women, that can be detached from everything else.

But kissing is personal. It's intimate. It's "special".

For Skylar and Hannah, they already share a very close and personal relationship. As has been said many times, they are true "besties". Making a switch from something they had already done in the past on a platonic level, to one of a more intimate version in an appropriate setting, is MUCH more likely than the same occurring with MC and Skylar. They aren't nearly as close, and had never once shared even a platonic kiss, much less a personal/intimate one.

One is a significant jump from the other.

 

[_Daxx_]

I know this is going to taken the wrong way, but oh well. I've known a handful of "working girls" in my life thanks to web design work. These weren't the "street walker" types you see on cop drama shows. They legitimately considered themselves as professionals. For many of them, kissing simply wasn't on the "menu". For the ones who would do it, they charged a LOT more. Why? Because it's one thing to have sex. For a lot of women, that can be detached from everything else.

But kissing is personal. It's intimate. It's "special".

For Skylar and Hannah, they already share a very close and personal relationship. As has been said many times, they are true "besties". Making a switch from something they had already done in the past on a platonic level, to one of a more intimate version in an appropriate setting, is MUCH more likely than the same occurring with MC and Skylar. They aren't nearly as close, and had never once shared even a platonic kiss, much less a personal/intimate one.

One is a significant jump from the other.

I'm not taking it the wrong way. As I said we both just view these things differently, hell sounds like the characters view it differently, & that's all perfectly okay. No issues with it. As I have said I'm not here to try & change your mind on it, it's your story & your characters, you know them & how they view things so they should act accordingly. We as players can only interpret scenes based on what we have seen so far coupled with our own personal opinions on how we treat these acts.

Again, not trying to change other people opinions or the game in any way. Just trying to give context/an explanation for why myself & apparently some others found that particular act felt missing from the scene. Personally I feel that the sexual acts that happened are just as intimate as that level of kissing when it happens between friends in that sort of setting. The characters actually involved in it don't, they see them differently & that's fine. That sort of context was good to help me understand why it didn't happen & knowing how those involved view it, it now makes more sense.

I guess if I'd know how they felt about that before hand, I myself would have felt differently about the lack of kissing between the Skylar & the MC & it's wouldn't have felt like it was something that was missing. But I get it now & it does make sense for them.

All that said, even when I didn't have the context it was in no way a deal breaker for me & was still very much looking forward to the future progressing between them. I was just trying to get my point of view across while trying to understand yours when not including it. Which I now do.

 

[Drooskati]

I meant the knowing "working girls" being taken wrong

As a great man once said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"

 

[_Daxx_]

I meant the knowing "working girls" being taken wrong

As a great man once said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!"

Haha! No, no, my girlfriend actually created a new website & some promotional flyers for a "High Class Escort Agency" where we live a few years ago. I get how people that work in web design/graphic design can end up meeting all sorts of people. Though I will say it was pretty strange when she came home & I asked how her day was & she told me she'd spent it with a high class madam & two of her girls... I very quickly asked for more context from her.

 

[Glooskabe]

Since there is so much debate on this, in particular the kiss/no kiss aspect, I want to share my thoughts on it. I'll ask you to remember the discussions leading up to the actual group event, both between MC and Hannah, and between MC and Skylar. One of the key elements was that they are doing it in the spirit of exploration and enjoying new things, but that it should remain that way and no romantic attachment should happen. As for Sky and Hannah kissing, shit even 100% straight girls kiss each other fairly often. Albeit with a bit less intimacy attached So it wasn't as a big a jump for them.

In that scenario, writing in a kiss with MC would have crossed a line that the three of the had essentially agreed upon. That being said, I've already written the first several scenes of C6, including the resolution of the C5 cliff hanger. That line IS going to be tested as part of the resolution. The whole point of how this progresses is the transition from pure friendship to something more. It's not meant to be a jump into the deep end of the pool.

Hope that helps

I think you overthought it. A kiss would have organically flowed from the situation at a couple different points as pointed out above. I really don't see how it would have crossed any lines that the girls kissing didn't also cross. It's not a fatal flaw, by any means, but I do think you missed an opportunity. Not having them kiss does actually put the MC on his back foot as far as balancing the dynamic of the relationship. So many people commenting so similarly (basically like the scene but feel that it was tipped too far in Hannah's "favor") should amply illustrate that something happened here, and it sounds like it wasn't your intent.

 

[humanstickobserver]

I was gonna reply to you, but it seems in the time I was gone you and Drooskati talked through any points I'd have made.

I think the big takeaway is that, we all see it through a slightly different lens, and so does the MC. And the important thing isn't to convince each other we're right (except for drooskati, seeing as it's their story ) but instead to understand why we each see it the way we do, so that in the end we can say "that's not how I see it, but OK, i can certainly see why you'd see it that way."

 

[humanstickobserver]

I think you overthought it. A kiss would have organically flowed from the situation at a couple different points as pointed out above. I really don't see how it would have crossed any lines that the girls kissing didn't also cross. It's not a fatal flaw, by any means, but I do think you missed an opportunity. Not having them kiss does actually put the MC on his back foot as far as balancing the dynamic of the relationship. So many people commenting so similarly (basically like the scene but feel that it was tipped too far in Hannah's "favor") should amply illustrate that something happened here, and it sounds like it wasn't your intent.

Goddammit, I had a great reply written to you, and hit the wrong button on my mouse when I meant to hit post, and it reloaded the page!

OK, short version of what I meant to say:
We approach the MC's view based on our own perspectives, so we react to the scene differently, based on what we'd do. This is because a lack of a narrator (which is to the games benefit IMHO) doesn't give us a play by play of the MC's perspective on things, so we use our own instead.
If I were in his situation, I think I'd have acted much the same. If I did kiss Skyler, I'd have asked Hannah first if it was OK, but other than that, the way the scene plays out makes sense to me, as does Drooskati's explanations.

But different people would react differently, or read the situation differently.

So I don't think anything happened that wasn't the original intent, I think it's just something we come at from different positions. I happen to think my thought on the issue are close to the intended mark (even though Drooskati hasn't replied to them directly ) but that certainly doesn't make your approach, or the approach of anyone else, less valid. Our own perspectives and tastes influence how we see the scene play out.

Lord knows I've been upset at games before because my perspective, and the MC's actions, were vastly out of alignment.

 

[quorkboy]

Nope, I said that as very close female friends of college age, they have shared run of the mill kisses in the past. It's not uncommon. And as such, moving from that to a more intimate form of expression isn't a big jump.

On this I disagree. It's a big jump. From platonic to passionate sexual kissing is not a small step. It's a reasonable one, given everything else they're doing and their relationship. But it's still big. I'd argue as big as everything else they did. Just not more so.

I agree with this as a reason that it was less likely Skylar and the MC would kiss:

Making a switch from something they had already done in the past on a platonic level, to one of a more intimate version in an appropriate setting, is MUCH more likely than the same occurring with MC and Skylar. They aren't nearly as close, and had never once shared even a platonic kiss, much less a personal/intimate one.

I don't think it's a problem for the balance of the relationship that they didn't kiss. That would only be a problem if any of them saw the kiss between Hannah and Skylar as romantic. While I suspect it will lead to romantic feelings (either new, or previously unrealised), I don't think any of them thought of it that way at the time.

 

[_Daxx_]

And the important thing isn't to convince each other we're right (except for drooskati, seeing as it's their story ) but instead to understand why we each see it the way we do, so that in the end we can say "that's not how I see it, but OK, i can certainly see why you'd see it that way."

I 100% agree with this statement & honestly wish more people shared this view. Its how I try to go about things & think it's always better if we all just try to each others points of view & why things like that can be seen differently rather than people trying to change things. A good writer will give their characters their own personalities & views on things, these won't always align with those of every player. More people need to be okay with that & try to understand them rather than change them.

The only time I think a Dev should change things with their scenes is when the majority of the player base interpret it in a very different way than which the dev had intended it to come across. A perfect example of that is the D&D mind control scene in chapter 4. Most players got to that & had the same reactions of "Whoah! This scene if very much such & such.", Drooskati saw that the reaction was totally different than how he intended for the scene to come across & tweaked it so it became how it was originally intended to be perceived without actually changing what happened.

Feedback is perfect for situations like that. I think too many people go at it with the mentality of "I want you to change the narrative & characters to fit what I want them to be rather than how you, the creator, intended them to be.", & that sort of thing can quickly ruin an otherwise great story.

 

[botc76]

Sometimes I really don't get this site.
I see five-star reviews for games with horrid animations, terrible writing, barely a story and English which is a chore to even understand.
It boggles the mind how well-rated some of the worst games I've ever played are rated on this site. And I'm not talking about subjective matters, because barely understandable writing, a game with English so bad it is filled with errors and hilarious dialogues are objective facts.
Anyone should be able to see them.

And then you have people seriously giving this game three stars and justifying that by blaming the writing and characters.
And don't get me wrong, I can understand that, even though I think the writing is good, it tends to be a bit verbose and naturally if I like a character, that doesn't mean others can't dislike it. Tastes vary.
No, it's that a game as good as this one, with an interesting story, well-written in the technical sense and with basically the best production values you could find here gets 3-star ratings and so many horrible games have people give them five-star ratings directly after the first version gets posted.
A game like this one or Eternum or some of the other games should get 15-star reviews, compared to those crap games which somehow get a high rating and yet...
Where are those harsh judges for those really crappy games?

 

[botc76]

I think they want a harem path, or an ability to pursue all the girls, and are unhappy that the only hetero path is monogamy.

Personally, I don't understand why ANYONE would ever want a harem game where the girls just sit there and wait for MC's dick but won't touch each other, and I certainly don't understand the growing aversion to lesbianism. Do these guys want a power fantasy where they fuck all the girls, but have such fragile egos and are haunted by imagined shadows of NTR so much that the idea that two of the girls they're with also kissing each other is a perceived threat or something?

I see some people who freak out when two girls kiss, even in threesome scenes with MC fully involved, and they're ready to go full Duncan Idaho about it....

Yes, that is exactly what they want, and sadly how they are, and you can see them creeping up in almost all new game threads, and asking for it.
Personally, I don't mind their tastes, while I love nothing more than a threesome with MC and two girls, where the girls are interacting with one another as well, I get that not everyone likes it.
The problem I have with it, is that there is a lot of actual pressure being put on new devs to adhere to their rather silly standards for what is NTR (basically every interaction between a woman and anybody who isn't the MC) and that a lot of them start attacking devs, once they feel the dev has done something they don't like.
Many of them seem to be unable to grasp the concept that there is a general definition of NTR, and that it's not the same as theirs, so when a game promises no NTR and you see fe. an existing couple being intimate or a girl kisses the other girl in a threesome, they cry havok (NTR) and let forth the dogs of war, because to them, it means the dev LIED about the content of the game or even worse changed his opinion.


Needless to say, I was perfectly fine with the scene as it was and absolutely understand why it played out the way it did and agree with the reasoning.

 

[Canto Forte]

This site caters to all fans who are looking for a good time.

This game has MC looking at his three fantastic babes and this makes it seem
a good plot for him to go after that relationship of his girl and the other two girls,
seeing as the game has a section to that dandy funky idea.

They are his as they are together with his GF and are enjoying him ogling them,
together all three would make a wonderful full house wit the MC as the Ace of spades.

Fan fiction and immagination going out of the game current lore is what
made many series be so great - take the novels and spin them into greater things.

Sometimes I really don't get this site.
I see five-star reviews for games with horrid animations, terrible writing, barely a story and English which is a core to even understand.
It boggles the mind how well-rated some of the worst games I've ever played are rated on this site. And I'm not talking about subjective matters, because barely understandable writing, a game with English so bad it is filled with errors and hilarious dialogues are objective facts.
Anyone should be able to see them.

And then you have people seriously giving this game three stars and justifying that by blaming the writing and characters.
And don't get me wrong, I can understand that, even though I think the writing is good, it tends to be a bit verbose and naturally if I like a character, that doesn't mean others can't dislike it. Tastes vary.
No, it's that a game as good as this one, with an interesting story, well-written in the technical sense and with basically the best production values you could find here gets 3-star ratings and so many horrible games have people give them five-star ratings directly after the first version gets posted.
A game like this one or Eternum or some of the other games should get 15-star reviews, compared to those crap games which somehow get a high rating and yet...
Where are those harsh judges for those really crappy games?

Yes, that is exactly what they want, and sadly how they are, and you can see them creeping up in almost all new game threads, and asking for it.
Personally, I don't mind their tastes, while I love nothing more than a threesome with MC and two girls, where the girls are interacting with one another as well, I get that not everyone likes it.
The problem I have with it, is that there is a lot of actual pressure being put on new devs to adhere to their rather silly standards for what is NTR (basically every interaction between a woman and anybody who isn't the MC) and that a lot of them start attacking devs, once they feel the dev has done something they don't like.
Many of them seem to be unable to grasp the concept that there is a general definition of NTR, and that it's not the same as theirs, so when a game promises no NTR and you see fe. an existing couple being intimate or a girl kisses the other girl in a threesome, they cry havok (NTR) and let forth the dogs of war, because to them, it means the dev LIED about the content of the game or even worse changed his opinion.


Needless to say, I was perfectly fine with the scene as it was and absolutely understand why it played out the way it did and agree with the reasoning.

 

[Gorse]

Drooskati, I'd like to share some additional fan sigs I created for "Between Two Worlds" with you
and all the fans who like to support your game in that kind of way a wee bit:

Hannah - Fan-Signature
300 x 124 px / 0,99 MB



LINK: https://attachments.f95zone.to/2022/08/2035368_B2WsiG1.gif
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Skylar - Fan-Signature
300 x 124 px / 0,98 MB



LINK: https://attachments.f95zone.to/2022/08/2035369_B2WsiG2.gif
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Emily - Fan-Signature
300 x 124 px / 0,81 MB



LINK: https://attachments.f95zone.to/2022/08/2035370_B2WsiG3.gif
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- Special F u n Sig -

Skylar - B e t w e e n T w o Dances
300 x 124 px / 1 MB



LINK: https://attachments.f95zone.to/2023/02/2431818_B2WdasiG.gif
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So everybody: Feel free to use (one of) these sigs in your signature...
and Drooskati: if you like, please add a link to them in the threads 1st post.

Cheers & enjoy!

 

[linkinn]

Yes, that is exactly what they want, and sadly how they are, and you can see them creeping up in almost all new game threads, and asking for it.
Personally, I don't mind their tastes, while I love nothing more than a threesome with MC and two girls, where the girls are interacting with one another as well, I get that not everyone likes it.
The problem I have with it, is that there is a lot of actual pressure being put on new devs to adhere to their rather silly standards for what is NTR (basically every interaction between a woman and anybody who isn't the MC) and that a lot of them start attacking devs, once they feel the dev has done something they don't like.
Many of them seem to be unable to grasp the concept that there is a general definition of NTR, and that it's not the same as theirs, so when a game promises no NTR and you see fe. an existing couple being intimate or a girl kisses the other girl in a threesome, they cry havok (NTR) and let forth the dogs of war, because to them, it means the dev LIED about the content of the game or even worse changed his opinion.


Needless to say, I was perfectly fine with the scene as it was and absolutely understand why it played out the way it did and agree with the reasoning.

Why did you include a rant about the 3 letter thing, it's not even being discussed, it's not even in the game... don't forget to take your meds grandpa.

 

[bearclaw01234]

Would someone please upload a Mega Download Link for Chapter 5? Thank ye.

 

[faradhii]

Nice lewd update! I'm looking forward to a more game world chapter 6 update! I thought the 3some was tastefully done (I don't get people whining about there being no kiss, while in a real life setting I'm sure it would happen, in game it's easy to just not account for everything. I'm thinking there are, basically, 2 saves you need: 1) resist Alorine and 2) be her willing servant. Is there any way to make named saves? By the time each update comes out I'm guessing at which save is which. Also, nice to have Skylar (best girl, sorry Hannah) action!! (now we just need Bailey involved!!!!)

 

[botc76]

Why did you include a rant about the 3 letter thing, it's not even being discussed, it's not even in the game... don't forget to take your meds grandpa.

Heh, can't even write it, as if it is Voldemort's ghost or some bullshit like that, but tells me to take my meds.
You do you, kiddo, and leave us grown-ups to our pleasures.

FYI, whether you call it as that or not, this is very much about the same topic, but you probably realized that, hence your super-smart comment.