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Yes we have DS's own discussions on Patreon and a TON of testimonials in this thread!
For an NTR fan you sure do wish to close your eyes to this...
You're still emotional. There's no point to argue I suppose.
Still, I hope DS's next game won't pick incest as a main theme as it polarizes badly with others and is an extreme cliche on patreon. It's not really hard to notice that DS himself doesn't look like a fan of it as well.
 
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You're still emotional. There's no point to argue I suppose.
Still, I hope DS's next game won't pick incest as a main theme as it polarizes badly with others and is an extreme cliche on patreon. It's not really hard to notice that DS himself doesn't look like a fan of it as well.
I'm not emotional...I got rid of Eric! I get SEX in a SEX GAME!
You however are delusional and making up any excuse to try to make the little NTR you got seem like it made this game better and more challenging than any other when the challenge it provides only give you LESS content if you succeed not more.
It's only made this game better for you because you like watching guys fuck not fucking yourself.
That is the ONLY reason to like Eric and think he makes the game better.
Cause you can't find a NTR kink game, they don't exist because there are too few of you to support that game's development. Better to Hijack some other game by paying the vig and voting the game off it's track.
 

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And what do you GET for making him Impotent? Does Anne come to your room to get the Cock Eric can no longer giver her? Does it make him stop training Lisa? Does it make any family member decide to not play with Eric and play with you?
If not then you didn't WIN anything in fact you LOST EVERYTHING you liked with Eric because there is no sex to peep on (NTR GONE!) anymore because he can't get it up!
It's supposed to be a challenge. Either :
- Getting rid of it.
- Keep him and "share" the family.
- Making him impotent and having him around for more voyeur ntr if you wish (doesn't even need to be sex, just the clothes he offers for example) so or making him relevant story wise in any other mean.
For instance something like using him as a money source (stealing? blackmail?) while keeping him impotent.

And do you ever overcome him? NO!
That is the problem! You think slipping him Impotency pills which leads to even LESS things to see is a WIN?
You are paying for pills every week for the privilege of SEEING NOTHING!
And in doing so are no closer to fucking anyone than you were before you drugged him.
That's why I talk about an expanded route.
 
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I assume you have some data about his loss? His patrons number was higher, he didn't lose and his income is hidden. That's not a matter of wishful biased thinking but facts. Horny guys are usually so emotional over their fetishes it's hard to dispute with them. I'm not supporting any fetish right now in BB but I'm trying to be objective. Still saying that NTR is not popular is quite naive. On Patreon it is in comparison to incest ofc. But overall it seems to be much more popular in Asia and as such it's much stronger than incest in terms of popularity as I can blindly say that almost 80% erotic games on a planet are Japanese VN. I am not trying to diss incest or anyone but still, I find it really funny when someone is dissing other people fetish, regardless of what it is, when his own is socially unacceptable and in real life is considered to be disgusting. Incest is not superior over NTR and vice versa. Calm down
Actually 0.4 has stopped the rising trend. It is stuck about 2400. Doesn't even mention 40$ pledgers drop their pledges. After 0.7 (which has no new eric ) first time pass 2600.
 
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the only thing you see is 1 pic with mom, 1 pic with liza, some stupid lingerie show
if you go friend with him you still don't see much, eric could be better but now he is a waist of space/time/efford

i want more variable in scenes/(better)poses(angle)/real fam love/real rewards, not some worthless peeking
I want both, more peeking and what you wrote :)
For example making cameras more useful? Like you peek, and then you can see the whole scene in another angle using the hidden cameras...?
 

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It's supposed to be a challenge. Either :
- Getting rid of it.
- Keep him and "share" the family.
- Making him impotent and having him around for more voyeur ntr if you wish (doesn't even need to be sex, just the clothes he offers for example) so or making him relevant story wise in any other mean.
For instance something like using him as a money source (stealing? blackmail?) while keeping him impotent.


That's why I talk about an expanded route.
It's way too hard to get rid of him though, without cheats or a walkthrough. Part of this is that I think the game was supposed to be all about the MC making friends with Eric. But players kept trying to get rid of him, which had purposely been made insanely hard. The incest players also didn't want to share the family. That's not what the incest kink is about to pretty much everyone I know.

I did play with making him impotent before giving up and just going to a post-Eric save. I gave him pills at night, but by morning he was back to banging Ann. Which again is the problem. Eric always recovers or has a way of outsmarting you, no matter what you do. At least until DS put in ways to get rid of him. But by then, he'd already done his damage.

And again, any talk about expanding Eric's role is useless. It's just not going to happen anytime soon. I'll agree that Eric is the game DS wanted to make. But a game without Eric is the game the majority of his patrons want, so guess which one is going to win?
 
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It's way too hard to get rid of him though, without cheats or a walkthrough. Part of this is that I think the game was supposed to be all about the MC making friends with Eric. But players kept trying to get rid of him, which had purposely been made insanely hard. The incest players also didn't want to share the family. That's not what the incest kink is about to pretty much everyone I know.

I did play with making him impotent before giving up and just going to a post-Eric save. I gave him pills at night, but by morning he was back to banging Ann. Which again is the problem. Eric always recovers or has a way of outsmarting you, no matter what you do. At least until DS put in ways to get rid of him. But by then, he'd already done his damage.
I agree on that. He's too powerful, and you don't make enough money.
I have for prerequisites that these are fixed in a way or another (making the pill last longer, and giving you more money).

And again, any talk about expanding Eric's role is useless. It's just not going to happen anytime soon. I'll agree that Eric is the game DS wanted to make. But a game without Eric is the game the majority of his patrons want, so guess which one is going to win?
Well, it all depends on when a final version will be out. If we are nearing it (lets say we have 3 versions before completion, 0.8,0.9,1.0), yeah we probably won't ever see any alternatives.
 
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Well he shouldn't post in title Incest game of your life if he want to make game about Eric.
 

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Actually 0.4 stop the rising trend. It is stuck about 2400. Doesn't even mention 40$ pledgers drop their pledges. After 0.7 (which has no new eric ) first time pass 2600.
Looking at this graph seems like it become slow with 0.5. Still his patrons growth rate is consistent regardless of an update. With every update he gain more patrons. The same with 0.3 and 0.4 which were Eric's. He only lost some Patrons during 0.6 but it's still so insignificant number it's nothing mayor. He didn't gain much with 0.7 to change the fact that BB probably just reached it's ceiling. It's hard to assume that any erotic game will gain audience forever. But that's some fine data at least. Except for his earnings as they seem waaay lower than in reality.
 

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earnings as they seem waaay lower than in reality.
He really rewards his $40 patrons with voting control. His average was $20 per patron before turning off the reporting. The reason you see a drop at .5 is that is when Patreon recycles. He went from 2300 patrons to 1900 with the cycle. If you could look at the $ level, I bet that took a hit as well. He made a CONCERTED effort to make it clear that Eric would be gone in .5. And has had a healthy patron boost from .7.
 
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"let's say".
I don't know when the game will be complete, and 1.0 being the last version is a reasonable assumption.


Good, there is hope then :)
I do hope the game goes on for a while. At the same time, I hope we get to have sex with Ann and vaginal sex with Lisa soon. Those events don't have to be the end of the game, but they should be major accomplishments and hopefully they are treated as such. But there is a lot that could still come after those events in terms of story and fun. Or DS could go back and flesh out other paths, add new ones, and in general just tweak the game. And I am looking forward to any future incest games he may put out. BB is a hell of an effort for a first game, and definitely one of my favorites. I'm intrigued to see what he could do a second time around with more experience under his belt.
 
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He really rewards his $40 patrons with voting control. His average was $20 per patron before turning off the reporting. The reaon you see a drop at .5 is that is when Patreon recycles. He went from 2300 patrons to 1900 with the cycle. If you could look at the $ level, I bet that took a hit as well. He made a CONCERTED effort to make it clear that Eric would be gone in .5. And has had a healthy patron boost from .7.
Hmm... This period of time between 0.4 and 0.7 seems way too big and growth rate of 0.7 is really small when compared to first versions. With every cycle he lost and than gained new patrons and it seems to be true with 0.4 as well but you are right that at this point it become slower. Still, I'm pretty sure that it's not updates fault but just audience limit. Every game hit it at some point. I may be wrong ofc but if the game won't reach 4k patrons in 1-2 years with consistent grow as a vanilla, harem incest it would mean Eric's update didn't matter at all.
 

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But the assumption that is coming soon, is unlikely when DS is pondering new locations and new characters, and new porn movies.
Sure, but it won't be the first time that all goals won't be met when releasing a "final" version ;)
 

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the game won't reach 4k patrons in 1-2 years
DarkCookie has 5,600 patrons with a harem incest game, at version .12 or .13... DS is better about delivering good content, on time, and really has better coding skill than the tool that DC is using. DS will be at 5,600 by .13 easy, if he tones down the grind a bit. Or adds the cheat mod.
 
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DarkCookie has 5,600 patrons with a harem incest game at version .12 or .13... DS is better about delivering good content, on time, and really has better coding skill than the tool that DC is using. DS will be at 5,600 by .13 easy, if he tones down the grind a bit.
Tho I highly pref BB over SS, in my opinion unique artstyle, design consistency and streightforwardness of SS makes it much easier to sell. And it's not considered to be only incest as there are tons of other characters and no incest in title. In my opinion he won't reach it. This whole dispute about different fetishes and all just proofs that BB's design is just clunky. Maybe you're right but we will see it after 2 years if BB will still be in development after that period of time. At this point I don't see it.
 

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It's supposed to be a challenge. Either :
- Getting rid of it.
- Keep him and "share" the family.
- Making him impotent and having him around for more voyeur ntr if you wish (doesn't even need to be sex, just the clothes he offers for example) so or making him relevant story wise in any other mean.
For instance something like using him as a money source (stealing? blackmail?) while keeping him impotent.


That's why I talk about an expanded route.
Pray tell who do you get to share with Eric as your Friend?
And being his friend is EASY no challenge at all!
Making him impotent there is no sharing and no sex at all! Not for him or YOU!
This is why I say the Eric fans are out of their mind...They claim he SHARES them but he does no such thing!
It certainly isn't a challenge to get him to let you peep and the impotency pills don't get you any content just removes the little content the Eric Friend path gave you in the NTR track.
So your "Challenge" is how to keep Eric around and not get any of the NTR content you loved about him JUST IN CASE DS decides to go against the majority of his users and make more content for you Eric lovers.
There is no challenge with him at all...
You can get a few peeps if you friend him and you can get a Twice a week opportunity to remove that content by dosing him with Salt Peter.
Or you can be his enemy (again just pick the right dialogue) and get nothing from him except fewer peeps at him and mom
Or you can get rid of him and have Sex with the Women which is the ONLY challenging thing about him since you have to grind to get money to pay off Kate's Mom or Blackmail him with his wallet which removes all the NTR scenes you like.



the only thing you see is 1 pic with mom, 1(2) pic with kira, some stupid lingerie show
if you go friend with him you still don't see much, eric could be better but now he is a waist of space/time/efford

i want more variable in scenes/(better)poses(angle)/real fam love/real rewards, not some worthless peeking
Exactly! You have at best three choices with this guy...
1 - Keep him and get to see him oggle the family If you enemy him you get less
2 - Keep him, love him and be his friend in which case you get to peep with Mom knowing so you get more
3 - Get rid of him and get sex in a Sex Game!

These Eric fans seem to be having fun trying to play the "SEX" game in a way that is devoid of any Sex! That is their FUN and Challenge!
Ridiculous to me.
 
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