RubyZeronyka

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It's a porn game, the main primary goal should be how viable it is to fap to in a private environment

No one fire up a porn game with the mindset of "oh today i'm gonna try to beat this hard futa boss again after getting defeated and assraped 11x and then after i manage to time my cum expulsion right and hit the critical womb spot i'll share my proud achievement on my steam timeline so that all my friends can see"
Yeah that's why I play with cheats. Cause hey, I dont mind having to do some work here and there to get the most of the "family trees" on things like unique nephs or hybrids but having to grind for hours just to unlock the missionary position or the succuby? Nope, gotta fuck dose demons till they get silly dry :LOL:
 
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Drages

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It's a porn game, the main primary goal should be how viable it is to fap to in a private environment

No one fire up a porn game with the mindset of "oh today i'm gonna try to beat this hard futa boss again after getting defeated and assraped 11x and then after i manage to time my cum expulsion right and hit the critical womb spot i'll share my proud achievement on my steam timeline so that all my friends can see"

You are a bit wrong about this as most of the porn games with beating stuff/arcade style, you should lose to see hot stuff. :)

Breeding games should have some grinding if you ask me as the goal is to get the best breed with time. Do you play Botn for animations? Maybe at first but if you play it to breed you nearly always skip the animations.
 

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But it's still his project right? Even if he kicked you half the way he COULD have fixed the remaining half but he decided to keep it like that. And then there's other problems that I dont think you can even blame yourself for like the whole save wipes issue or the constant mockery for those wanting more QoL features or having more options to deal with the grind.

Sure, he may be good a creating a beautiful world, having cute character designs and systems for said creations; but even on this I have to add criticism and it is the whole No Balls on futas issue. And that is one of the MANY situations like that. If he has such a big problem with balls and anal/gay sex why TF did he added the males on the first place at all? If you dont like something you dont magically "stop liking something to the point of wanting it banned out of existance" midway on development.
He is very dumpass about QoL things. I don't know which word is right.. not caring maybe, maybe lazy, maybe boring for him.. I forced him to do many keyboard shortcuts for example, same for some UI visibility... but I needed to tell him maybe 5 times to add a simple stuff. Maybe he became sick of me and probably he knows that I will be against to lose so much time with working a dildo company.

He just does not care anymore. Maybe he got dreams and joy before but not for years for sure. He got problems and I talked him about those for hours without sleep to help him get better as he does not have any friend. I can understand those problems but when he saw the dildo company money, he left all those problems behind.

I don't blame him, as this is his game and he does not force anybody, he does not lie, he does not even communicate with community. So it's people who milked. I know that, if he starts to get less money, he will work harder but as he gets about 40.000$ from backers + dildo money, why would he care?..
 

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He is very dumpass about QoL things. I don't know which word is right.. not caring maybe, maybe lazy, maybe boring for him.. I forced him to do many keyboard shortcuts for example, same for some UI visibility... but I needed to tell him maybe 5 times to add a simple stuff. Maybe he became sick of me and probably he knows that I will be against to lose so much time with working a dildo company.

He just does not care anymore. Maybe he got dreams and joy before but not for years for sure. He got problems and I talked him about those for hours without sleep to help him get better as he does not have any friend. I can understand those problems but when he saw the dildo company money, he left all those problems behind.

I don't blame him, as this is his game and he does not force anybody, he does not lie, he does not even communicate with community. So it's people who milked. I know that, if he starts to get less money, he will work harder but as he gets about 40.000$ from backers + dildo money, why would he care?..
Very much so this. But this is the trap with breeder games. Given how long it is and how little progress is made between updates it's likely he's all on his lonesome right now. The warning bells started ringing in my head when he started implementing Lovense support. Lovense toys aren't cheap.
Although it was marred with shit management, Breeding Season (which is sadly dead now) is a fine example of what can be done with a talented team of animators and coders (Stupidly, HBomb gave the kill button to S-Purple). An example of a game that didn't try to be more than it is. BoTN is trying to evolve when there is no viable path for it to do so. It's like equipping a pokémon with an Everstone. The UI "overhaul" seems like something that could be done in two weeks - and it took him months and the threat of being labelled as Abandoned for him to even attempt to do so. And it didn't even bloody work at first.
The only morphs that interest me right now are the Catgirls and Unicorns.
Catgirls because they are not Miltanks by another name. Unicorns because they're an example of DH not giving a shit and only existing because he was nagged and begged into submission.
TBPF (To Be Perfectly Frank), once he annouced the "Rigging" update, I started to feel DH's dream wither and die, much like an unused erection.
 

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Very much so this. But this is the trap with breeder games. Given how long it is and how little progress is made between updates it's likely he's all on his lonesome right now. The warning bells started ringing in my head when he started implementing Lovense support. Lovense toys aren't cheap.
Although it was marred with shit management, Breeding Season (which is sadly dead now) is a fine example of what can be done with a talented team of animators and coders (Stupidly, HBomb gave the kill button to S-Purple). An example of a game that didn't try to be more than it is. BoTN is trying to evolve when there is no viable path for it to do so. It's like equipping a pokémon with an Everstone. The UI "overhaul" seems like something that could be done in two weeks - and it took him months and the threat of being labelled as Abandoned for him to even attempt to do so. And it didn't even bloody work at first.
The only morphs that interest me right now are the Catgirls and Unicorns.
Catgirls because they are not Miltanks by another name. Unicorns because they're an example of DH not giving a shit and only existing because he was nagged and begged into submission.
TBPF (To Be Perfectly Frank), once he annouced the "Rigging" update, I started to feel DH's dream wither and die, much like an unused erection.
This makes me wonder what Lovense even really sees in a partnership with DH/BOTN in the first place.. He's got 5000 Patrons, the company name will reach a good amount of them on his discord when announcing it, but like you say they aren't cheap, so I wonder how many sales it kicks up. But, this is also a game that gets updated a couple of times a year and is in a perpetual alpha test state after how many years, apparent to anyone that sits down and plays it for 5 minutes with I think clear signs of mismanagement in a players initial introduction to the game (poor player feedback, initial tutorial/quest stuff being fucked up now with fluid and money changes, control or general QOL..) that would sour the impression of anyone looking around to determine if it's worth getting a business partnership with.
I like Drage just calling them the "dildo company" because I guess that's what I view them as too. But maybe they really can afford to waste money here, or I severely underestimate the marketing potential BOTN offers them.

This usb sex toy shit is the weirdest part about this all to me, and I can't believe it's still coming up a year later and apparently taking the majority of DH's focus as the source of motivation to even look at his game anymore...
 

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You are a bit wrong about this as most of the porn games with beating stuff/arcade style, you should lose to see hot stuff. :)

Breeding games should have some grinding if you ask me as the goal is to get the best breed with time. Do you play Botn for animations? Maybe at first but if you play it to breed you nearly always skip the animations.
Haha yeah, i know i worded it badly, it was just my knee-jerk reaction after reading all the DS comparison comments
 
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Hey,
I just got back to playing the game and I have a two questions:
1. Where is the cheat code menu
2. Is there a way to disable all males. (I only want female and futa)
 

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Hey,
I just got back to playing the game and I have a two questions:
1. Where is the cheat code menu
2. Is there a way to disable all males. (I only want female and futa)
1: From what I hear, your keyboard must be set to US English Layout. It's either the Tilde(~) or Grave Accent (`) key.
2: Yes. From the Main Menu, go into the Settings. It's in the Fetish menu.
 
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florameriadoc

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Hey,
I just got back to playing the game and I have a two questions:
1. Where is the cheat code menu
2. Is there a way to disable all males. (I only want female and futa)
with what Squark said: 1: From what I hear, your keyboard must be set to US English Layout. It's either the Tilde(~) or Grave Accent (`) key.
you can also change the binding key tilde to something else also in the settings, I changed for 0, but it can be anything if it's not in use already
 
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Drages

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Although it was marred with shit management, Breeding Season (which is sadly dead now) is a fine example of what can be done with a talented team of animators and coders (Stupidly, HBomb gave the kill button to S-Purple). An example of a game that didn't try to be more than it is.
Tbh, I see the Breeding Season superior still with the game concept, brave combinations and simplicity. That game does not need animations at all. At a point I told them to use image series for breeding combinations at least as a placeholder but they did not listen.

Another thing is, at some point, someone from BS developer team shared everything with DH. I mean everything, from plans to design, code to all images. He shared them with me too. The new creatures and plans were very lovely.

I plan to resurrect it someday, probably after I am done with my game. Not the same game on flash ofc but same concept with the ideas I have my own. I need to figure out the art part for so many creatures first :).
 

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Tbh, I see the Breeding Season superior still with the game concept, brave combinations and simplicity. That game does not need animations at all. At a point I told them to use image series for breeding combinations at least as a placeholder but they did not listen.

Another thing is, at some point, someone from BS developer team shared everything with DH. I mean everything, from plans to design, code to all images. He shared them with me too. The new creatures and plans were very lovely.

I plan to resurrect it someday, probably after I am done with my game. Not the same game on flash ofc but same concept with the ideas I have my own. I need to figure out the art part for so many creatures first :).
from what i understand there is some legal red tape around the game so i wouldnt try to straight up copy it or even use the name, but i wish you all the luck. i also want to someday make a game in that style.
 
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Tbh, I see the Breeding Season superior still with the game concept, brave combinations and simplicity. That game does not need animations at all. At a point I told them to use image series for breeding combinations at least as a placeholder but they did not listen.

Another thing is, at some point, someone from BS developer team shared everything with DH. I mean everything, from plans to design, code to all images. He shared them with me too. The new creatures and plans were very lovely.

I plan to resurrect it someday, probably after I am done with my game. Not the same game on flash ofc but same concept with the ideas I have my own. I need to figure out the art part for so many creatures first :).
Best of luck. I hope everything works out well for you.
 
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You are a bit wrong about this as most of the porn games with beating stuff/arcade style, you should lose to see hot stuff. :)
Only ever seeing sexual content when you lose is just as problematic as only seeing sexual content when you win (or make it to some other milestone).

You should be seeing sexual content in a porn game, whether you're winning or losing.

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On an unrelated note, there's ways to make grinding more fun in a game. The #1 thing is for the player's input to matter. More skill, shorther grind.
 
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RubyZeronyka

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Tbh, I see the Breeding Season superior still with the game concept, brave combinations and simplicity. That game does not need animations at all. At a point I told them to use image series for breeding combinations at least as a placeholder but they did not listen.

Another thing is, at some point, someone from BS developer team shared everything with DH. I mean everything, from plans to design, code to all images. He shared them with me too. The new creatures and plans were very lovely.

I plan to resurrect it someday, probably after I am done with my game. Not the same game on flash ofc but same concept with the ideas I have my own. I need to figure out the art part for so many creatures first :).
OwO That's some amazing news!

Just please, when you do make the game happen, please make sure saves are compatible with newer versions, pleaaaase? XD

Seriously I love BotN's premise but the whole save wipes issue is the bane of it's existance -w-

Among other things of course, but.... You get what I mean ^^'
 
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OwO That's some amazing news!

Just please, when you do make the game happen, please make sure saves are compatible with newer versions, pleaaaase? XD

Seriously I love BotN's premise but the whole save wipes issue is the bane of it's existance -w-

Among other things of course, but.... You get what I mean ^^'
idk if every dev is in 100% control of this, i think in some cases you might have to eat one or two save wipes but i guess it would depend on if the dev even cares or not. (disclaimer: i am not a game dev what i said might be bullshit)
 

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Only ever seeing sexual content when you lose is just as problematic as only seeing sexual content when you win (or make it to some other milestone).

You should be seeing sexual content in a porn game, whether you're winning or losing.
I'm of the mindset that it should be considered a mechanic similar to weapons in FPS games or building units in RTS games. Tieing sex to punishments/rewards should only ever be the case for special scenarios, such as different positions with Queen Slime or the Dragon Matriarch.

What's aggravating is DH understands this with the implementation of Pride and her quest. To have physical sex with her you need to complete a borderline impossible quest (which really should've just been lvl 2 versions of the traits. Instead, every sex positions - aside from missionary - is locked behind tedious zone progression made worse by the grind needed to reach level 5 for a zone to start spawning somewhat decent Nephelym. Even worse is DH's personal vendetta against save compatibility between versions since he purposely breaks saves even for miniscule updates.

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I typically don't mind solo devs relying on RNG as a replacement for proper gameplay balance, but DH hasn't really shown any inclination towards improving the core mechanics. I honestly wouldn't be opposed to the addition of an options tab for game difficulty before the start of character creation that would allow us to change probabilities. Both Conan Exiles and Ark: Survival Evolved took this approach and it's the only reason those games are playable.

The UI update also removed the ability to check pregnancy progress and player stats from the inventory screen. The frustrating part is that there exists a stats screen which could easily be given its own tab that you can view from the breeding yard, so DH can't use the excuse that he doesn't have a functioning version of it.

I already mentioned this, but the "cockblock" gates were a horrible addition to the game that removed any sense of exploration. However, the addition of the blessed nephelym offering unique quests is the perfect opportunity for DH to tie zone levels to completion of these quests. It encourages the player to learn about where to find traits that are tied to specific species (i.e. titans carrying the "meaty" trait).



Unreal Engine is such a powerful tool that streamlines some of the most difficult things to code (such as shaders and physics). There are demo releases of gameplay concepts from solo devs on this site that have more to show in a few months than what DH has shown over the span of several years. The only redeemable factor for him is the fact that BOTN is free to download off of Steam, otherwise I'd be so bold as to claim it's an outright grift.
 
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