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Gunizz

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Now I ask, if he puts an ntr at this point, do you think he will be able to save his game? Or will he sink it for good? Let's face it, the problem with this game is the story, not the fetishes. He knows how to make animations, he has good models, what he needs is to clean up this mess that he turned the game into. Adding something like NTR or sharing at this point, I don't think is a very practical idea. Not to mention that he may lose many of his supporters.
I make it very clear, the game is his, he does what he wants, but that he is prepared to face the consequences, be they good or bad.
I've tried contacting him on Discord, but he doesn't respond. I wanted to be a supporter, but not sure what I'm going to find in front of me, I can't.
It seems NTR or sharing could really fit the game because you can make MC cheat a lot, so the wife is already cucked. Everything seem to lead to a wife's revenge if you make the wrong choices. If a theme is well implemented in a story I don't see why avoid it. The only issue should be the quality of the narration.
 
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Maybe I was not clear in my comment, but I referred to him being free to explore themes like infidelity or sharing or plot twists, not refusing constructive critics about plot holes or incoherent stories. I am all for useful feedback but some people simply refuse or protest if a theme is in a game, so practically asking every game developer to accommodate to their taste.
The changes you listed are related to quality improvements more than censoring a thematic.
And what is the difference in you asking to add NTR. You are just as bad Ntr /Sharing is not a part of this game and not hinted at so you are the one trying to change the story to add ntr Manipulative and hiding it in a complement. So it is dev do what you want but add ntr.
 

Ifartedtoolong

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I think there is already sharing going to be in the game with the older daughter and her girlfriend or whatever she is as you get two options walk in on them or let them be. I think one option will open a him only route and other one the old daughter will have a relationship with the girl as well route. For me I have no problem if she has a relationship with the girl.
 

Badjourasmix

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He's working on the story, I hope he can do something cool. But most importantly, we're going to have a lot of action with Ruby in the next update. (one of my previous comments)
I really hope it gets better with the next updates. I thought since the first release that this game had a lot of potential, and even though I have criticized the direction of the story, I would love to see this game succeed.
 

Hellster

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I really hope it gets better with the next updates. I thought since the first release that this game had a lot of potential, and even though I have criticized the direction of the story, I would love to see this game succeed.
Understandable, I mean let's face it, the story went all over the place, and made zero sense, and he was just banging randoms all the time and there was nothing in it like was portrayed in the beginning.
Fingers crossed it gets back on track.
 

Larry2000

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I wish Betisis well, but I also wish they were better with criticism. I get that it was harsh (IMO it was 100% deserved) but I really want to know what they was thinking? If there is one single moment in ANY game's development that I would like to know about it's this. This is the JFK magic bullet for me. The fact that he's turtling up from criticism makes it hard for him answer that question. What happened with the direction of the game and why did he lead people on about where it was going? The first two updates were these beautifully constructed scenarios with family and love. Then it instantly became unrecognizable.

I'm glad the game is currently going "back to its roots" but I would still like to know why? Did a mind eating amoeba tell them it was a good idea? Regardless, if in the worst timeline where we all fell in love with this direction, How long would it take to come back to the happy-go-lucky family portion? Would the first part be completely arbitrary to the direction he was going? Would the MC wake up with 6 months passed and his teaching job is in the trash. What was the point of introducing the students at the school then? Why do this whole thing with Psychiatrist if there was never any intention in dealing with it.

Ahhhhh! I'm rambling. If Betisis is reading this, don't see why you would, I wish you luck on your project and hope that one day you can talk to us earnestly about the direction. THEN, I would be willing to check out your game after this about Mafias, young girl punching and having sex with random bimbos in a public toilet :p
 
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NukaCola

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I really hope it gets better with the next updates. I thought since the first release that this game had a lot of potential, and even though I have criticized the direction of the story, I would love to see this game succeed.
Hi. I just discover this game. What are the change in direction of the story are you talking about? Is it good or bad? I want to know before invest time in it.
 

Mograx

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Hi. I just discover this game. What are the change in direction of the story are you talking about? Is it good or bad? I want to know before invest time in it.
The change in direction referred to here was met with so much consistent criticism across the board that it's been removed from the game, so no need to worry in that regard.

As a result though, there hasn't been a whole lot of content added to the game since, as fixing/recovering from that dumpster fire took a great deal of time lol.

The game objectively has a lot of potential, but there's not enough there yet from what I can tell to say whether or not it's recommendable just yet. That said, you may as well give it a go - the set up is not just competently done, it leave you hopeful and excited for future content. This is part of why the backlash was so strong: because the set up was executed so well.

And now that that bizarre 'change of direction' mentioned before has been removed, you can enjoy it without colossal whiplash.
 

NukaCola

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The change in direction referred to here was met with so much consistent criticism across the board that it's been removed from the game, so no need to worry in that regard.

As a result though, there hasn't been a whole lot of content added to the game since, as fixing/recovering from that dumpster fire took a great deal of time lol.

The game objectively has a lot of potential, but there's not enough there yet from what I can tell to say whether or not it's recommendable just yet. That said, you may as well give it a go - the set up is not just competently done, it leave you hopeful and excited for future content. This is part of why the backlash was so strong: because the set up was executed so well.

And now that that bizarre 'change of direction' mentioned before has been removed, you can enjoy it without colossal whiplash.
Thanks for the info. I'm curious though. Can you tell me without spoil the story. What are the change that cause the backlash?
 

Mograx

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Thanks for the info. I'm curious though. Can you tell me without spoil the story. What are the change that cause the backlash?
Hm.. I can give it a go, sure.

A set up in which a not so holy teacher goes to an all girl school and is tasked specifically for the express purpose of establishing discipline and order in the girls there (sounds nice right) suddenly and inextricably finds himself in the middle of a bad 80s action flick.
 

Mystermask

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Hm.. I can give it a go, sure.

A set up in which a not so holy teacher goes to an all girl school and is tasked specifically for the express purpose of establishing discipline and order in the girls there (sounds nice right) suddenly and inextricably finds himself in the middle of a bad 80s action flick.
I would add "with all the implication and the plot from the begining throwed in the bin", but yeah, that pretty much summerize it.

Glad it got change.
 
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NukaCola

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Hm.. I can give it a go, sure.

A set up in which a not so holy teacher goes to an all girl school and is tasked specifically for the express purpose of establishing discipline and order in the girls there (sounds nice right) suddenly and inextricably finds himself in the middle of a bad 80s action flick.
So the change in the direction is this part? "inextricably finds himself in the middle of a bad 80s action flick". I'm playing it now and currently at the part where the boss guy invite the MC to dinner. From what you described, I guess he got drag into some mafia/gangster story? If that was the case then yeah. I can see why it cause strong backlash.
 

Hellster

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So the change in the direction is this part? "inextricably finds himself in the middle of a bad 80s action flick". I'm playing it now and currently at the part where the boss guy invite the MC to dinner. From what you described, I guess he got drag into some mafia/gangster story? If that was the case then yeah. I can see why it cause strong backlash.
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Mystermask

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So the change in the direction is this part? "inextricably finds himself in the middle of a bad 80s action flick". I'm playing it now and currently at the part where the boss guy invite the MC to dinner. From what you described, I guess he got drag into some mafia/gangster story? If that was the case then yeah. I can see why it cause strong backlash.
Well, a plot when you suddenly get mugged by the mafia could be done well and would not suffer that much backlash imo. It was more the sudden slap into your niece face that was a problem since he was supposed to be an expert teacher(hence throwing the begining into the bin), and the forced sexual intercourse with a meth-whore (both things that got changed fortunately) that was the problem.

There is still some things left from the removal of these parts that need to be reworked like being forced to tell your wife that you cheated on here later into this last version even if you didn't and played the faithfull path. I really hope that the next version put the game back on the track and these plot holes will be removed, hopefully.
 
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Skeltom

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I wish Betisis well, but I also wish they were better with criticism. I get that it was harsh (IMO it was 100% deserved) but I really want to know what they was thinking? If there is one single moment in ANY game's development that I would like to know about it's this. This is the JFK magic bullet for me. The fact that he's turtling up from criticism makes it hard for him answer that question. What happened with the direction of the game and why did he lead people on about where it was going? The first two updates were these beautifully constructed scenarios with family and love. Then it instantly became unrecognizable.

I'm glad the game is currently going "back to its roots" but I would still like to know why? Did a mind eating amoeba tell them it was a good idea? Regardless, if in the worst timeline where we all fell in love with this direction, How long would it take to come back to the happy-go-lucky family portion? Would the first part be completely arbitrary to the direction he was going? Would the MC wake up with 6 months passed and his teaching job is in the trash. What was the point of introducing the students at the school then? Why do this whole thing with Psychiatrist if there was never any intention in dealing with it.

Ahhhhh! I'm rambling. If Betisis is reading this, don't see why you would, I wish you luck on your project and hope that one day you can talk to us earnestly about the direction. THEN, I would be willing to check out your game after this about Mafias, young girl punching and having sex with random bimbos in a public toilet :p
That's asking a lot from this dev. They are among the worst I've seen when it comes to communication and updates. 99% of their posts are "Quick peek in game renders #random number". There is not taking criticism well and then there is crawling under a rock with your tail between your legs. That and they wouldn't have to "fix" the issues if they had a planned story. From what I've seen they don't have that though. They just poke and hope and then you are left with what we have now.
 

MrLKX

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I think the dev's problem generally looks like this, from my personal perspective as someone who is relatively creative on the road myself.

Too much at once: The dev tries to do too much at once and take as many people with him as possible. Where I come from there is this idiom: Too many cooks spoil the broth.

The Timeline: As already mentioned, the timeline is a bit of a mess so far. I've talked about the bullet wound often enough and I don't think anyone wants to read it anymore. I think a timeline with dates and events in his history would help him a lot. The dev wouldn't even have to publish this but as his own help. Also some research for certain things can't hurt, other than the gunshot wound.

I also think it would help the dev to get people on board who would be more critical of his work. I don't know the dev enough to judge him, but a lot of people can't handle criticism, even if it's presented in a purely factual way, and either get defensive-trotsy and say to themselves now more than ever, or go into hiding and bury their heads in the sand.

In my D&D group we are two core DMs. I've felt it myself in the last few months, our second DM has too, and even people like Matt Mercer struggle with it: creative work can burn you out incredibly fast and hard, and depression and other mental health issues can happen very quickly when you've burned yourself out, and in the worst case scenario it can lead to some kind of problems. And I would argue that it makes no difference whether you play D&D or create a VN. For me personally, it was a little helpful to take a break for a few months. Am I over the hill again in the meantime? I don't think so, but at least I'm back to the point where I can work on the stuff for 1-2 hours every day.

What to think about the preview image of post #2890. We don't know yet how it will look after the revision, but here's my impression:

The location looks like ne kind of spa or resort to me. What I just have to ask myself again: Does our protagonist really have time for something like this?

If we go purely by the optics, then this VN is on a very high level. However, I agree with the article that the dev should communicate more. As I said, it's not always easy to deal with criticism, especially if it's not helpful, however, I think such exchanges can only help to get a different perspective.

Last but not least, I think that as a newbie somewhere, be it VN or D&D adventures, you should not set yourself the goal of creating a legendary epic. For learning the basics, like pacing the story, I think standard is easier and better. The standard premise had provided enough ideas.
 
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