VN Ren'Py Abandoned Buried Desires [v0.5] [Betisis]

[Dragon59]

Moral of the story (learned from this thread): the audience of adult visual novels/interactive doesn't like to be surprised. Good to know so I don't commit the same mistake when I do my own game.

I'm currently learning Ren'py and Daz to do just that. It will be from a polyamorous perspective so I will be very clear that it will not involve NTR, but sharing will definitely be part of the game. I will not be leading anyone on. I have been asked to have lesbian only paths, but I feel that non-sharing paths would just undermine the game too much. Ugh, I think I will need to have a few exclusive pathways (Lesbian, Straight, Bisexual women, All Bisexual), to honor the diversity I'd like. My first idea would be for different sub stories, but the better way in the long run is to chose different realities. My head!

I'd say more of a stick to making the game as advertised. When you market it as you're the teacher having fun with your students than in the next update you're playing a game with hitman like characters and banging crack whores. You've left your audience going what... what the fuck just happened..... where are the students.....

Like going to taco bell for a taco and getting handed a whopper at the drive through. You're left scratching your head and looking at the sign just to make sure you in fact drove to taco bell and not burger king.

Good analogy.
Perhaps you drove into a Carl's Jr./Green Burrito. That could happen there. (I know, it doesn't help your analogy)

It was that the theme of being a teacher in a school setting did a sudden and drastic change from this in the first half to a game about saving your niece from a mafia setting. Not about hey you author you ruined my wank as you so eloquently put it but I see that the comparison in my analogy flew right over your head because you associated a analogy about different businesses that serve different products to food which you associate with having a wank for some reason.

I'm reminded of the fact that in Lessons in Love, we know quite early it's not going to be the classic "being a teacher in a girls' school" story. Some of the scenes are quite jarringly disturbing happy, but we continue on.

He warns us before the game begins that there will be some rather blasphemous themes and to be warned if one is deeply religious.

 

[Majindevil]

hmm experimental build is online it seems... but i think the chances i lands here are slim this time...

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[Canto Forte]

There is no burried desire between MC and the wonderful wife. She is the most lovable and
the best char in this VN, just be there 4 her, everyone else is filler. She is amazing.
Betisis just have her do sex scenes every episode, she is the bomb.

Why would MC go around risk his recovery and the wellbeing of everyone in his household,
so many wonderful sweet and cuddly babes being there for him to feel awesome about his life,
for the sake of the one gurl who made him go the deep end of sanity and lose everything?

We owe it to everyone of the most adorable and yummy honeys in our home to be there 4 them.

 

[Canto Forte]

Dev needs redemption fast and more furiously than MC. We need to praise them and
help make this game a better experience 4 everyone.

hmm experimental build is online it seems... but i think the chances i lands here are slim this time...

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The faster it lands here, the better the recovery and the adoration would be, should it be good.
Being afraid of what you are, of what you believe, of what you yearn landed this game in limbo
the last time.

 

[Majindevil]

Dev needs redemption fast and more furiously than MC. We need to praise them and
help make this game a better experience 4 everyone.


The faster it lands here, the better the recovery and the adoration would be, should it be good.
Being afraid of what you are, of what you believe, of what you yearn landed this game in limbo
the last time.

shure but look closely at the screenshots... 50 dollar tier and the highest tiers say 4 of 5 remaining...

if my math is not too bad only 2 people will get it ...

 

[Watcher X]

hmm experimental build is online it seems... but i think the chances i lands here are slim this time...

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Fucking hell, who is this game for? Jeff Bezos?

 

[Deleted member 3208170]

shure but look closely at the screenshots... 50 dollar tier and the highest tiers say 4 of 5 remaining...

if my math is not too bad only 2 people will get it ...

That's the same as last time. But they haven't leaked it, I believe. Wasn't the link full readable at the Preview Pic or so?

 

[Dragon59]

yeah... I don't even know if here's the place to discuss that, but the concept of NTR always intrigued me... I think it's only NTR when the MC likes to be a cuck or even if he consciously doesn't like being a cuck but is some emo boy that likes to torture himself about the fact he's a loser being cucked. So, in your case, I don't think it's really NTR... Maybe there is people that don't wanna see any scene with two guys in it (fucking the same girl or not), and, of course, they are entitled to that, but I think it's another category -- and thus deserve a separate tag -- because there are people who may not want to be a cuck but wouldn't mind a sharing scene and would be ok with that (and the opposite may also be true -- the guy who likes to be a cuck but wouldn't like a friendly sharing).

p.s.: if it's not appropriate to deviate from the topic in such a manner, I apologize (first and foremost to the author) and I will not continue this conversation.

Hopefully it doesn't go beyond this. Thanks for you thoughts.

 

[Majindevil]

That's the same as last time. But they haven't leaked it, I believe. Wasn't the link full readable at the Preview Pic or so?

not this time maybe the last feedback of the experimental buld (say what you want the name still leaves a bad aftertaste)
was too much or they learned from their mistakes (if it was one last time...)

 

[Canto Forte]

They learned nothing .. they could a just cut off the baddies at the end, leaving off MC hurt but still finding his footing with the gurl.

The shit in the end was the problem ... MC is a teacher who can mind blow students.
It is his shtick ... we shoulda been going that route only ... like he can handle himself.

You throw in the gangsters playing hard knock life on him, we loose all edge and footing.

All of that 4 what? We have a full house of babes DEPENDING ON US FFS!!!

shure but look closely at the screenshots... 50 dollar tier and the highest tiers say 4 of 5 remaining...

if my math is not too bad only 2 people will get it ...

Fucking hell, who is this game for? Jeff Bezos?

not this time maybe the last feedback of the experimental buld (say what you want the name still leaves a bad aftertaste)
was too much or they learned from their mistakes (if it was one last time...)

Also ... geting no feedback at all .. 2-3 people are just the beta testers 4 a decent game,
real games have folowings of 100ds doing alpha testing and stuff.

Dev just had it with the feedback and is now playing in the hands of top contributors.
Who needs the rest, right?

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

They learned nothing .. they could a just cut off the baddies at the end, leaving off MC hurt but still finding his footing with the gurl.

The shit in the end was the problem ... MC is a teacher who can mind blow students.
It is his shtick ... we shoulda been going that route only ... like he can handle himself.

You throw in the gangsters playing hard knock life on him, we loose all edge and footing.

All of that 4 what? We have a full house of babes DEPENDING ON US FFS!!!





Also ... geting no feedback at all .. 2-3 people are just the beta testers 4 a decent game,
real games have folowings of 100ds doing alpha testing and stuff.

Dev just had it with the feedback and is now playing in the hands of top contributors.
Who needs the rest, right?

Betisis is making about $1100 / month, according to Patreon, and another $250+ on Subscribestar. They are doing decently well, despite the previous test build. So it would seem (at least, so far) their paying supporters haven't given up on them. I wonder how many of those are "I'll give the dev one more chance" vs. "I want to see the dev's vision, no matter what it is" vs. "I couldn't care less, as long as I get my fix". If the majority of them are either of the last two, I'd reckon they will stay the course of whatever they've written so far, even if many here dislike it.

 

[Majindevil]

They learned nothing .. they could a just cut off the baddies at the end, leaving off MC hurt but still finding his footing with the gurl.

The shit in the end was the problem ... MC is a teacher who can mind blow students.
It is his shtick ... we shoulda been going that route only ... like he can handle himself.

You throw in the gangsters playing hard knock life on him, we loose all edge and footing.

All of that 4 what? We have a full house of babes DEPENDING ON US FFS!!!





Also ... geting no feedback at all .. 2-3 people are just the beta testers 4 a decent game,
real games have folowings of 100ds doing alpha testing and stuff.

Dev just had it with the feedback and is now playing in the hands of top contributors.
Who needs the rest, right?

The biggest problem with this way of testing is that I think o my people who where fine with the last updated and the shift of tone get to test it.
Damn who in his right mind would still be a high tier when he didn't like the last update the players in the lower tiers would be the ones who liked the original premise of the game and it seems that they don't care about them. Not a good sign.

So I am back at my alien theory for ver. 2.5

 

[Dragon59]

The biggest problem with this way of testing is that I think o my people who where fine with the last updated and the shift of tone get to test it.
Damn who in his right mind would still be a high tier when he didn't like the last update the players in the lower tiers would be the ones who liked the original premise of the game and it seems that they don't care about them. Not a good sign.

So I am back at my alien theory for ver. 2.5

Good point. We have seen what DS's $40 patrons have done to Glamour...

 

[_13_]

Well... I think the comparison the game with food says a lot, because, if you use movies for comparison, there are many good movies with twists; I would even dare to say that the best movies are the ones with twists. That's why spoilers spoil the fun (pun intended).
Just two examples I saw Matrix and Fight Club without knowing anything about them prior to watching them (not the synopsis and even less the trailer) and it was awesome.

I think a better movie analogy would be From Dusk Till Dawn. It's a movie about two brothers on the run from the police. They take a family hostage to cross the US-Mexico border and then go to an all-night bar to wait for an arranged escort to a safe-haven. Then, it literally changes into a different movie.

I'm a big fan of the horror genre and I feel that these types of sudden shifts in stories are, if not expected, accepted. Of course, you go into a horror movie knowing what the story will become. None of us expected this shift.

I don't think it makes the game bad, or even is itself a bad chapter, but it was certainly jarring and unexpected. My knee-jerk reaction was that the game, as a whole, was going to change direction. I don't think that's the case, though, and that this was merely an extravagant introduction to another LI who the MC will need to save.

 

[BTLD]

I think a better movie analogy would be From Dusk Till Dawn. It's a movie about two brothers on the run from the police. They take a family hostage to cross the US-Mexico border and then go to an all-night bar to wait for an arranged escort to a safe-haven. Then, it literally changes into a different movie.

I'm a big fan of the horror genre and I feel that these types of sudden shifts in stories are, if not expected, accepted. Of course, you go into a horror movie knowing what the story will become. None of us expected this shift.

I don't think it makes the game bad, or even is itself a bad chapter, but it was certainly jarring and unexpected. My knee-jerk reaction was that the game, as a whole, was going to change direction. I don't think that's the case, though, and that this was merely an extravagant introduction to another LI who the MC will need to save.

it does make the game bad because it shifts genres way too hard and fast...
if I'm going to cinema to watch a romance movie I'm not gonna be happy if mid movie Main LI cuts someones head off...
or go to a horror movie and suddenly the monster/killer doesn't matter anymore and it became a romance...
so in the end it does make the game bad...shifting focus so fast and without any warnings...
and let's not get into whatever the fuck that was in the motel....with the druggy and the girl conversation...

 

[Tavi13]

I think a better movie analogy would be From Dusk Till Dawn. It's a movie about two brothers on the run from the police. They take a family hostage to cross the US-Mexico border and then go to an all-night bar to wait for an arranged escort to a safe-haven. Then, it literally changes into a different movie.

I'm a big fan of the horror genre and I feel that these types of sudden shifts in stories are, if not expected, accepted. Of course, you go into a horror movie knowing what the story will become. None of us expected this shift.

I don't think it makes the game bad, or even is itself a bad chapter, but it was certainly jarring and unexpected. My knee-jerk reaction was that the game, as a whole, was going to change direction. I don't think that's the case, though, and that this was merely an extravagant introduction to another LI who the MC will need to save.

I get what you are saying, but even the 'D till D' comparison doesn't really work; sure you get a surprise twist, but you are still watching the Horror/Action film you went to see. The basic premise doesn't change.
This though? It's like you went to see Dusk till Dawn, and someone spliced a chunk of Oceans Eleven in after 20 minutes. No warning, no added/changed tags (which are the previews), no lead in to the change, nothing.

This could have worked if there had been a build up to it, any indication where it was going (and why), but instead we got this. Even a few 'planned content' tags in the Dev Notes could have made a difference.
*shrug*

I'm personally sticking around for now just because I am curious to see what the reviews/reactions to the next 2 updates are going to be like.

 

[MrLKX]

My comparison to the plot change was: imagine you're watching Game of Thrones and then in the middle of the episode it becomes Blackadder with Rowan Atkinson.

Regarding the tags mentioned for the future: I absolutely agree and I have the suspicion that Bet either thought the scenario was so great that it absolutely had to be in the update or at most a rough direction was considered in which direction the plot should go.

As for access to the experimental version: I don't know how it was before or with version 0.2, but I think especially when an update has received so much criticism as here, I think you should get as much input as possible from different people. As it is at the moment, it seems to me that you are limiting yourself with input in advance, especially since the people who objectively criticized the product in version 0.2 are less likely to invest the money here than the people who like 0.2. I'm afraid that in the worst case scenario, sooner or later you'll be back where you already are with 0.2.

 

[jaw1986baby]

I think it's more like "you were watching Lolita and then it becomes Taken!"

I would 100% watch that if Lolita was so glad to be rescued she fucked the living shit out of me

And then the rest of the family showed their similar appreciation

The Russian Lolita, by the way, best version.

PEACE

 

[BurnerGuy]

I think a better movie analogy would be From Dusk Till Dawn. It's a movie about two brothers on the run from the police. They take a family hostage to cross the US-Mexico border and then go to an all-night bar to wait for an arranged escort to a safe-haven. Then, it literally changes into a different movie.

I'm a big fan of the horror genre and I feel that these types of sudden shifts in stories are, if not expected, accepted. Of course, you go into a horror movie knowing what the story will become. None of us expected this shift.

I don't think it makes the game bad, or even is itself a bad chapter, but it was certainly jarring and unexpected. My knee-jerk reaction was that the game, as a whole, was going to change direction. I don't think that's the case, though, and that this was merely an extravagant introduction to another LI who the MC will need to save.

This is porn though, and it serves a completely different purpose than a Hollywood movie.

Good porn makers know they have to be up front about what their creation includes, because taking a sudden turn into a different genre is likely going to undermine what you were trying to do in the first place. There are kinks, and anti-kinks. Some content doesn't just not interest someone, it actively turns them off, which you don't want to do as a porn creator. For example, I don't play games that include sharing, futa, graphic violence, or mutant-sized tits, because those things wilt my dick. If you've got a game that has the shit I AM into, then I don't want to be surprised with that other shit, because now the whole fantasy is ruined. I know I'm not the only one, because that's exactly when you see the most pissed off players in the comments. They think they're playing a hot milf game, then the dev is like "when she takes her panties off, she's going to have a giant cock" or "here's a seen where she blows 6 dudes in a subway station". That sort of twist might work in a Hollywood movie, but not in something where your audience is trying cum and you just made that impossible.

 

[Grankaiser]

doesnt matter if its porn. people should stop using that a excuse. like anything wither is movie, bock or porn there are things you u shouldn't do for those you consume your media.

you people need to remember people are not mad that he swapped to wanna be gangsta dumb shit. they more of mad how the whole story right now is completely broken.

.1 and .1.5 where fine the story was coherent and went with its intended flow. .2 felt more like i played another game and got "inspired" but forgot about story. well tbh like i said before i think patron sent him a warning so he got scared hence the removal of stuff and the game shift away from how it started. that or it was always a bait and switch. i wouldn't be surprised in .3 starts with


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