Just out of Curiosity, and confusion, could anyone give me the "for dummies" guide to play or simply turn cheats on... this game looks amazing but for the life of I cant seem to get any mg's to even thier 1st core break.
Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 54] [CSDev]
If you can get Orgies on the Chosen before Extermination is complete, they're great as they stack up Circumstance damage (making each move raise the Punisher % more) and they add to later surround turns. Best thing you can do is get a short/medium Orgy done before Extermination finishes, but after Extermination is finished you should be surrounding one at a time to maximize the number of moves the Chosen do.
Your Explode is much more effective if it's concentrated on one Chosen. Instead of getting 90 + 90 + 90, you can get 90 + 150 + 180. I often find myself getting Explode to 1000% before I really focus on bringing the other stats up because it can be done with a cheap Commander, and can unlock endgame downtime actions. (Strategy: Capture 1 at the beginning with a Commander with INJU Punisher (no other Circumstance), 5 or more turns, 5 captures [or 3 if you haven't unlocked 5 yet]. When they Explode, Surround them and raise other Circumstances, starting with HATE. When they break the Surround, Capture them again, then 2 turns later, Capture them a third time.)
For an integrated strategy, I generally do the following:
1) Unlock all T3s by using a massive Orgy.
2) Get any Distortions I want set/activated/whatever.
3) Use the INJU Punisher method above to focus on one Chosen at a time until I've broken all the T4 CON I want. (normally, during this process, the T3s that I've earned enough damage for naturally unlock)
4) Use 5-capture max turns normal Commanders with Flight to get early Orgies set up with whatever Circumstance is convenient based on Distortions.
5) Once they are released from Orgy, Extermination will be complete. Capture one at a time to keep them using moves.
This info is valid for Campaign mode--I've not completed the Undead Clash challenge.
Undead:
Curse Lock: They will use this all the fucking time, as long as they have some HATE damage. Build up HATE and watch them go at it. Expect to not Research or buy Commanders for a day after you've worked on this.
Consume Vitality: They will use this if it increases their stacks of Surging Vitality and they have some PLEA damage. I find I can one-or two-shot this one (depending on my Achievements). Once they fire off a giant one of these, understand that you'll be leaving them alone for a few days/ a while. If you need multiple days on this, target them with a Forsaken that deals PLEA near the beginning of the fight (maybe set up a bit of EXPO on someone else first), let them Consume, , then do the rest of the fight while leaving them alone. Repeat the next day, and the next, for as many days as needed to break T4 INN (shouldn't be more than 3).
Seals: They will use this all the fucking time, as long as they have some INJU damage. Easy to plan around--two turns after they do Second Seal, use a Forsaken to do some INJU damage and they'll have to start over again. Doesn't take long to build.
Enervate: They will use this all the fucking time, even if they don't have EXPO damage. This one will probably pop off sometime while you're getting the other Chosen set up. Don't let this get much over its maximum or your Loop gets really tricky, even if this means capturing this Chosen even during times you can't damage it (from Surging Vitality).
Animalistic: (I have less experience here)
Wild Hunt: Seems like they use this whenever it's easier than Regenerating some Circ damage down. Deal some Hate damge, then do it again, as many times as you can.
Surrender to Instincts: Seems easy to break with a Forsaken that deals PLEA damage. Capture after they use it, then they'll probably use it again. I think it would work if you Capture/Release repeatedly with a Forsaken that deals this kind of damage, have not tested yet. The low increase on this one means it takes a while to break normally. [EDIT: Confirmed, it does work.]
Frenzy: I have a hard time figuring out when they use this move, honestly. I've had quite a few turns where based on my understanding of how they choose moves, they should be using this move, but then they instead Regenerate. Maybe you can get it easily by doing something like Surrender above with an INJU focused commander that can Release? This one was a real bitch to raise last time I broke it.
Mating Dance: Honestly, not too sure of this one. They won't use it while it's still active. I haven't had to worry about this one, generally--they use it often enough that this breaks in a reasonable amount of time.
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I've made a custom roster of three saviours, made sure each has a minor, significant, and core vilnerability, and each vulnerability is present on at least one saviour. When I start a new game I still always get the first one at random from the default characters, and only the other two from my roster. What am I doing wrong?
I thought it'd be fun to post some out-of-context numbers from my current run.
I think this Forsaken's a little bit on the strong side
Totally normal city, richer than fucking Dubai (finished on day 19)
Pull lever only in case of emergencies
A Good Kitty
energy raiders are useful
Anyway, still enjoying the game.
CSdev some questions/comments that I have, if you feel up to it:
1) What determines whether a particular Forsaken has the ability to Release? I didn't see this in the help files, and right now I'm not able to find the commonality between the Forsaken that can do this, but it's a really useful ability that I'd like to be able to plan for.
2) I see this information in the help file on Aversion Undead:
"Dissociative Identity" Forsaken Distortion trait becomes "Dissociative Identity (Shattered Soul)"
Can rewrite memories to gain other Distortion bonuses, but deal -20% damage in this state
How do you rewrite their memories? I'm not offhand seeing an option for it.
2) Error/Bug: There are quite a few training actions that are commonly mislabeled as either "This type of training does not require _____'s consent", when it actually does, or vice versa. Let me know if you need more detail to track this down.
3) The Forsaken Tempt defiler is mislabeled in the button tooltip as dealing PLEA and EXPO damage. In fact, it's just PLEA as mentioned in the Forsaken long description.
4)
Either I'm misunderstanding this ability or it's incredibly weak. I understand this ability as "do billions of ANGST to all 3 Chosen each time this Forsaken dos a Parasitism T4 break". By the time I can inflict Parasitism, my Forsaken have crossed the thresholds into 100*Tera-angst or Peta-angst.
5) It's totally fine for some items, even starting items, to be better than others, or to be balanced around different modes of play. But, I think that Inferno Pepper and Tomorrow's Newspaper are far to weak to be considered worth playing in Campaign Mode when compared to items that give you tons of EE at the beginning of loops, when you need it most. Consider that an early T2 Core break as granted by Orgasm in a Can or similar can easily grant 20 EE on whatever day after all 3 Forsaken show up as a balancing point. Inferno Pepper gives you 49EE over a whole regular Loop 1 which doesn't at all compare to 20EE when your days are still in single digits. I'd suggest the following changes to make them somewhat more viable:
Inferno Pepper: grants 2*n Evil Energy whenever a Commander or Forsaken is summoned, where n is the current loop number.
Tomorrow's Newspaper: may summon a 5-turn 2-capture commander for a cost of 4 Evil Energy at any point. (even this may be too weak in comparison for players who spend the majority of their playtime in later loops, but it's good enough for Loop 1-3 at least)
I'm of the feeling that items should, in some way, like Forsaken, break the usual progression of the game. I feel like CS is modeled after idle games where this is a common mechanic--exponential growth leads to situations where what once was difficult becomes trivial, and a new progress bar is revealed--at least, that's the itch I scratch by playing it. Maybe you feel differently.
I think this Forsaken's a little bit on the strong side
Totally normal city, richer than fucking Dubai (finished on day 19)
Pull lever only in case of emergencies
A Good Kitty
energy raiders are useful
Anyway, still enjoying the game.
CSdev some questions/comments that I have, if you feel up to it:
1) What determines whether a particular Forsaken has the ability to Release? I didn't see this in the help files, and right now I'm not able to find the commonality between the Forsaken that can do this, but it's a really useful ability that I'd like to be able to plan for.
2) I see this information in the help file on Aversion Undead:
"Dissociative Identity" Forsaken Distortion trait becomes "Dissociative Identity (Shattered Soul)"
Can rewrite memories to gain other Distortion bonuses, but deal -20% damage in this state
How do you rewrite their memories? I'm not offhand seeing an option for it.
2) Error/Bug: There are quite a few training actions that are commonly mislabeled as either "This type of training does not require _____'s consent", when it actually does, or vice versa. Let me know if you need more detail to track this down.
3) The Forsaken Tempt defiler is mislabeled in the button tooltip as dealing PLEA and EXPO damage. In fact, it's just PLEA as mentioned in the Forsaken long description.
4)
Either I'm misunderstanding this ability or it's incredibly weak. I understand this ability as "do billions of ANGST to all 3 Chosen each time this Forsaken dos a Parasitism T4 break". By the time I can inflict Parasitism, my Forsaken have crossed the thresholds into 100*Tera-angst or Peta-angst.5) It's totally fine for some items, even starting items, to be better than others, or to be balanced around different modes of play. But, I think that Inferno Pepper and Tomorrow's Newspaper are far to weak to be considered worth playing in Campaign Mode when compared to items that give you tons of EE at the beginning of loops, when you need it most. Consider that an early T2 Core break as granted by Orgasm in a Can or similar can easily grant 20 EE on whatever day after all 3 Forsaken show up as a balancing point. Inferno Pepper gives you 49EE over a whole regular Loop 1 which doesn't at all compare to 20EE when your days are still in single digits. I'd suggest the following changes to make them somewhat more viable:
Inferno Pepper: grants 2*n Evil Energy whenever a Commander or Forsaken is summoned, where n is the current loop number.
Tomorrow's Newspaper: may summon a 5-turn 2-capture commander for a cost of 4 Evil Energy at any point. (even this may be too weak in comparison for players who spend the majority of their playtime in later loops, but it's good enough for Loop 1-3 at least)
I'm of the feeling that items should, in some way, like Forsaken, break the usual progression of the game. I feel like CS is modeled after idle games where this is a common mechanic--exponential growth leads to situations where what once was difficult becomes trivial, and a new progress bar is revealed--at least, that's the itch I scratch by playing it. Maybe you feel differently.
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Can somebody please help me understand the "x% of trauma required" thing?
Right now I'm getting a message like "Purity hates the criticism she's receiving...", which I think should mean she specifically needs more shame to advance? But the percentage was 30% with 537k shame, while increasing it to 1.95M is only 42%. There must be something I'm missing, because that's not how percentages work.
Also how do I break out of the "greater sins imminent" rut, where a champion that apparently fulfills all requirements for greater EE generation just refuses to actually do so?
Right now I'm getting a message like "Purity hates the criticism she's receiving...", which I think should mean she specifically needs more shame to advance? But the percentage was 30% with 537k shame, while increasing it to 1.95M is only 42%. There must be something I'm missing, because that's not how percentages work.
Also how do I break out of the "greater sins imminent" rut, where a champion that apparently fulfills all requirements for greater EE generation just refuses to actually do so?
I think that the trauma % counts across all 4 traumas, but I'm not 100% certain of that. I don't think there's a number specifically for each individual trauma, in my experience. I could be wrong, though.
The most common long-term cause of "Greater sins imminent" is that the girls are pressuring each other to do activities together. You can make this less of a factor by either (1) raising the trauma of the girl(s) doing activities with the Chosen that is ready to go further, so they both/all want to do the new activity, (2) making them less friendly towards each other, so they have less desire to cooperate on after-battle plans, or (3)break vulnerabilities on the friendly girl that's not ready for more sinful activities, and she may decide to go along with the more ambitious Chosen on some activities she wouldn't have enough trauma to do on her own.
Kalloi
Hey, can't guarantee this will be my only entry, but here's the first completed entry I've seen.
Made it into Loop 15, but I don't see how to beat the city I chose and I don't feel like going back to pick the other choice. I'd say overall i got lucky on Forsaken and somewhat unlucky on items.
The city that won:
(50% damage mitigation essentially means--no increase in circ damage from anything except INJU)
The MVP forsaken:
She's good all the way through a loop. At the beginning, she makes loooong surrounds so that all 3 Forsaken show up quickly (by the end they were showing up Day 1). In the midgame she stores almost all of my energy and gives most of it back to me. In the endgame, she breaks Parasitism and gets stronger for the next loop.
The items:
Items were certainly all helpful, but not the set that would have made this group shine. Balance's Pantsu was really good, it doubled my damage output in a lot of situations that I kept encountering in the run. Reign's Pantsu also quite strong, adding multiple Surround turns at the beginning of runs. The Schwerer Gusion at the beginning generates a first big EE push early and I prefer breaking INJU for quite a few reasons.
Other notable Forsaken:
Massive multiplier on HATE, plus the ability to start Orgy. She's good.
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Growing multipliers on both PLEA and INJU. In the end, though, that growth is linear.
How could I have gotten farther? There were a few items I was looking out for that never showed.
Or I could have gone back and picked the other city, which was crazy but not as crazy.
Anyway, this was interesting, and maybe someone else out there has a better strategy or noticed something about how the game is put together that I missed.
Hey, can't guarantee this will be my only entry, but here's the first completed entry I've seen.
Made it into Loop 15, but I don't see how to beat the city I chose and I don't feel like going back to pick the other choice. I'd say overall i got lucky on Forsaken and somewhat unlucky on items.
The city that won:
(50% damage mitigation essentially means--no increase in circ damage from anything except INJU)
The MVP forsaken:
She's good all the way through a loop. At the beginning, she makes loooong surrounds so that all 3 Forsaken show up quickly (by the end they were showing up Day 1). In the midgame she stores almost all of my energy and gives most of it back to me. In the endgame, she breaks Parasitism and gets stronger for the next loop.
The items:
Items were certainly all helpful, but not the set that would have made this group shine. Balance's Pantsu was really good, it doubled my damage output in a lot of situations that I kept encountering in the run. Reign's Pantsu also quite strong, adding multiple Surround turns at the beginning of runs. The Schwerer Gusion at the beginning generates a first big EE push early and I prefer breaking INJU for quite a few reasons.
Other notable Forsaken:
Massive multiplier on HATE, plus the ability to start Orgy. She's good.
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Growing multipliers on both PLEA and INJU. In the end, though, that growth is linear.
How could I have gotten farther? There were a few items I was looking out for that never showed.
It is also possible that creating more Chosen with both the "you were Hypnotized by Y, gain +40% PLEA damage" and "You gain X% PLEA damage per Hypnosis" with 1000% in that multiplier, that were Negotiated and Animal Chosen might have been enough to get through another loop or two, if I had done that for each Circumstance. At the end these were the Forsaken I was looking for, but I didn't find them often or early enough, and they require significant training to be maximized that I may not have had time to do.
Or I could have gone back and picked the other city, which was crazy but not as crazy.
45% per level means multipliers would still work a little bit, but I don't know that it would have worked enough to get through by day 26.
Anyway, this was interesting, and maybe someone else out there has a better strategy or noticed something about how the game is put together that I missed.
That was my first assumption, but I couldn't make those numbers line up either. And I did verify that focusing on shame in Purity's case increases the percentage *much* faster than raising other traumas by a similar amount. The process of raising multipliers is giving ~100k to all traumas, so in all my tests starting from that same 30% point the total increase across the board is ~2M but the meter winds up at like 32% if that's mostly in disgust, say.
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Yayy congratulations on making it so far!!! Especially for your first try. Looking through the save I've also verified you made all the qualifications necessary for your save, ty so much
It was fun seeing the progression of your roster too! As well as the names of some of your forsaken lmaoo. Honestly I can't blame you for this since not only the damage mitigation and final battle deadline are frankly nutty, but as you mentioned before, the item selection you were dealt this campaign weren't the best for this sort of scenario, the distortion specific one's would've helped a lot, even if just to eek by the final battle with distortions to force them to attack each other, not even bringing up the fact you're going up against a animalistic and a 2 superiors.
I don't use rampancy forsaken often besides the beginning of my campaign run so seeing yours was really fascinating to see what a truly well-trained one looks like
The max motivation punisher used on her I can absoluetly get, most of my runs I try to use this on rampancy forsaken as well to mitigate their tantrums as much as possible, besides corrupting core morality chosen with rampancy. But the trauma buff I only ever considered for negotiation forsaken so seeing this makes me super interested in trying this out myself!!
Agree with the Schwere Gusion choice a lot as well. The assortment of items besides the pantsu and the rotor leave much to be desired, even with the extermination improvements, there's not a lot that can be done when faced with situation where it's hard to deal damage in the first place.
A pure Hate based aversion to start the orgies is a sound a plan and the constantly growing nature of Bast is really good for extending the utility of a forsaken, especially when its in both of her bonus damage types!
Psychometer I definetly agree with, propaganda would definetly be helpful here as well, getting off one or two distortions off against this team is the first possible win condition I can see in the current state of the loop. That being said it would certainly be a scuffed one, with two or all the chosen perishing in the final battle which I don't really enjoy lol.
Your forsaken roster was really well-built with a good variety of forsaken to use. Feel free to disregard my advice but personally I've been seeing some success in using mid-cost forsaken in the later loops where the damage mitigation and the chosen species make it really hard to dent them. Specifically I had an aversion animalstic forsaken with a HATE/INJU style with Orgy defiler, with 32 EE to deploy she managed to deal significant damage against animalistic chosen on their off days and it as around loop 9 or 10 where I had a hefty damage mitigation modifier in that city iirc.
Well regardless if you decide to make another go at it, I will be more than happy to see the results of your new run and I'm excited to see you topple your current record!
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Besides the aversion question this is the only one I can answer, any forsaken species after the normal forsaken has access to the release ability so superior, animalistic, and undead. If there is any that don't have it, its definetly a bug!
Need to know at a glance who is worth keeping, and who is only around to put on a temporary show until they're used up. I also gave some of them better names to indicate that they had grown in renown.Yayy congratulations on making it so far!!! Especially for your first try. Looking through the save I've also verified you made all the qualifications necessary for your save, ty so much
Yeah she was the cornerstone of the run. Send her out for 3 EE at the beginning to get some initial trauma and make Chosen all show, or 30 EE in the middle to get some breaks on HATE/EXPO, or 800EE at the end to maximize her own Trauma multiplier. The run was planned with making my first Undead into a Demon Knight from the beginning and her own Trauma multiplier made her perform better than expected.Honestly I can't blame you for this since not only the damage mitigation and final battle deadline are frankly nutty, but as you mentioned before, the item selection you were dealt this campaign weren't the best for this sort of scenario, the distortion specific one's would've helped a lot, even if just to eek by the final battle with distortions to force them to attack each other, not even bringing up the fact you're going up against a animalistic and a 2 superiors.
I don't use rampancy forsaken often besides the beginning of my campaign run so seeing yours was really fascinating to see what a truly well-trained one looks like
The max motivation punisher used on her I can absoluetly get, most of my runs I try to use this on rampancy forsaken as well to mitigate their tantrums as much as possible, besides corrupting core morality chosen with rampancy. But the trauma buff I only ever considered for negotiation forsaken so seeing this makes me super interested in trying this out myself!!
Rotor wasn't that great in this run. I rarely hurt for energy since I got what I invested in Himegami back over and over again. I actually didn't swap for Schwerer IIRC, but I would have definitely swapped for one of the T2 break items if I didn't get one of those.
I saw that and decided that girl needs a promotion. Hope the changing names of Forsaken that got a second look didn't make it too hard to verify anything.
More expensive Animalistic Forsaken were what I was working on acquiring, but I was probably a bit too picky at throwing out those that didn't have a useful growth factor.
Well regardless if you decide to make another go at it, I will be more than happy to see the results of your new run and I'm excited to see you topple your current record!
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Thank you very much!
I'm glad to hear that it worked alright.
Meta-progression can be fun, but I want to avoid it for campaign mode because I don't want to balance the game around players "needing" to have grinded out a carried-over Forsaken in order to do well. At some point, I might add it as another optional easy mode option for campaign mode, though.How about adding in a feature in the main campaign that requires you to purchase it using influence? For example, an item that once purchased prompts you to choose a forsaken that you already have and it grants you to ability to start new campaigns with said forsaken. It can be an expensive item due to it's rather powerful ability, might even require you to fulfill conditions like "Selected Forsaken must have been in your service for at least 5 city captures." That way we can have a sense of achievement and earning that Forsaken for our next runs and the game can even detect if you already have a powerful enough forsaken to go against one of the special Chosen.
Just a suggestion, whatever you decide i'm just happy to be played a game like this one, it's one of the best ones out there in my humble-but-honest opinion!
The lack of clarity here is an oversight on my part. Kalloi is correct that it's an ability shared by all advanced Forsaken species.
This is due to a bug - it'll be fixed in the next version.
I had noticed that the text there was sometimes inaccurate, but it seems that my attempt at fixing it ended up making it worse.
It looks like I forgot to update the tooltip. It did originally deal PLEA and EXPO before I decided that Tempt Defiler Forsaken needed correction.
The use case for Showy Publicist is supposed to be when you have one Chosen who's heavily corrupted, but another Chosen is much tougher (because she's an advanced species, for example). This will only become more relevant as the lategame species come out. That said, it probably should scale better with higher EE cost - a 55G ANGST bonus costs well over ten times the EE that a 10G ANGST bonus does, which really doesn't make sense. I was just hesitant to add non-linear scaling when pretty much all the other bonuses are linear.
Thanks for the feedback. I agree that Inferno Pepper and Tomorrow's Newspaper lose much more power in later loops compared to the instant 10k damage items. My main concern when designing the starter items was "will this change the way that people play Loop 1"? They definitely need a balance tweak to account for how later loops are played. Inferno Pepper can just get its number buffed, but I suspect that I'll need to rework Tomorrow's Newspaper entirely, or maybe give it a secondary effect for Forsaken.
And I definitely have been influenced by that kind of mechanic in incremental games. I used to play a lot of Trimps.
When deciding what kind of downtime action to perform, the Chosen don't check for whether their trauma has passed a static threshold - rather, they look at their own trauma and compare it to the trauma of their teammates in order to decide whether they should be doing something as a team. The percentage displayed is basically just a guess at the order of magnitude of how much trauma they'll need if everything else remains exactly the same. I want to improve the way that the information is communicated to the player, but I also don't want to get rid of the Chosen's look-at-allies-to-determine-what-to-do behavior, so it's tricky.
Congratulations on getting so far! This was a very interesting read. I actually haven't played beyond Loop 12, myself, because most of my playing is done for playtesting purposes and the planned mechanics for the later loops haven't been implemented yet. But it's still very illuminating to see how the game looks when pushed to the limit. Don't worry; Angelic and Devilish Forsaken will give you some tools to cut through that 50% damage mitigation like a hot knife through butter.
does anyone have any tips for getting all three chosen to 0 resolve in the final battle?
all three chosen are fully broken and unbreakable friendship. I have the fully upgraded commander and I have taunt+ and attack+
just not sure how I should be going about it
all three chosen are fully broken and unbreakable friendship. I have the fully upgraded commander and I have taunt+ and attack+
just not sure how I should be going about it
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Use the commander to get some early pain/shame levels. The important thing is getting those levels up, and then using taunt/attack to reduce their resolve as much as possible per turn. Since they're fully broken, you might want to set up long captures before focusing on singling one out, to ensure you have enough time to whale on one even if they slaughter. Ideally you already have a set-up where the chosen can't fantasize until after you have enough pain/shame levels to win. If all 3 are pregnant and you have the EE, threaten+ might be worth it, since that would be 6% times fear level.
CSdev
Still sometimes noticing crashes with Negotiation, probably related to some sex stat increment. Save attached. Load slot 1, [Info] [Tyrant's Profile] [Approach] [Send Ambassador] [Back Alley] produces a reliable hang whether or not portraits are enabled. Seems that going as myself also freezes/hangs. I don't know if you said you got this one or not but here it is.
Still sometimes noticing crashes with Negotiation, probably related to some sex stat increment. Save attached. Load slot 1, [Info] [Tyrant's Profile] [Approach] [Send Ambassador] [Back Alley] produces a reliable hang whether or not portraits are enabled. Seems that going as myself also freezes/hangs. I don't know if you said you got this one or not but here it is.
Loop 17, where all the choices are bad...
I was a fair bit luckier with my loop 15 than SuperSkippy- the mitigation was only in the 30's, though I had to pass up a much better item to go there. L16 wasn't dreadful either, 20 day time limit but I could've been done by d14 if I'd been less pedantic about setting up and breaking all the vuln's. I imagine L17 would be possible but I need a break and I think I'd have to leave chosen behind which would ruin my record. This demon lord is satisfied with his work for now.
Items
The 10k items were vital to my strategy and I think I picked up the Exp one L5 so I did well there. Other than the Pants though it was a rather meh haul.
Forsaken
My last loop I used a good chunk of my roster so I'm happy with how it turned out.
General Strategy
Quickly break the cores using items and specialist forsaken to rake in a bunch of EE. from breaks and rivalries.
Target battle elongation researches and rush network consciousness.
Go for a 10 turn orgy to get the T3's started.
Use either general type forsaken to get a whole lot of moves used or target a specific one with a specialist.
Decide whether a "complete" commander was needed to get a 15 turn orgy going. This was the laggiest part of my runs and so I avoided if possible.
Grab one 100EE + move (taunt+ ended up my favourite) and antipathy (I nearly always rivaled them up).
Use punishers, trying to limit the number of times they'd be needed.
Final battle (remember to save!)
Stray Thoughts
Kalloi, I hope you'll find my save all in order. I did use the Suntorn Dawn portrait pack and roster file but did so blind, I don't think it would've given me an advantage. I nearly forgot to keep a save for my first loop too! All the other loops are saved just before the final battle, so anyone feel free to dig in with those or on L17.
I'd apologise for the terrible puns/naming, but I'm not actually sorry.
I was a fair bit luckier with my loop 15 than SuperSkippy- the mitigation was only in the 30's, though I had to pass up a much better item to go there. L16 wasn't dreadful either, 20 day time limit but I could've been done by d14 if I'd been less pedantic about setting up and breaking all the vuln's. I imagine L17 would be possible but I need a break and I think I'd have to leave chosen behind which would ruin my record. This demon lord is satisfied with his work for now.
Items
The 10k items were vital to my strategy and I think I picked up the Exp one L5 so I did well there. Other than the Pants though it was a rather meh haul.
Forsaken
- Basically I used a bunch of tempted in various damage configurations which could then switch to tempt as needed. These I upgraded to animalistics as I went and had a variety of costs as well, with my 4EE, Inj/Exp being my mainstay.
- I also had an undistorted undead who did all injury and cost 1EE, she could usually break inj straight away and get me through the early rounds cheaply. With the 2 10k circ items, that left only pleasure as my weak point and with such a temptation heavy team, I could get that easily enough on day 4. Still, would have liked to have found a day 1 solution.
- I experimented with an undead rampancy, I just never quite realized her potential I think- I always seemed to have a better choice. Still, I liked having her as an option and tantrums aren't nearly the disaster I thought.
- My rampant animalistic experiment never quite got off the ground, the theory of an orgy specialist was good but again I don't think I used her properly and could never justify the cost vs a 4circ commander.
- Because I never got the psychomter (L17 notwithstanding), I ended up going with undead punishers, focusing on damage and motivation increases which I was fairly happy with. I could have min-maxed this better but oh well.
- In that vein, I was very lazy with training once they had the distributions I wanted, but seeing Superskippy's goons, I see I cheated myself out of about 10% damage. Oh well again.
My last loop I used a good chunk of my roster so I'm happy with how it turned out.
General Strategy
Quickly break the cores using items and specialist forsaken to rake in a bunch of EE. from breaks and rivalries.
Target battle elongation researches and rush network consciousness.
Go for a 10 turn orgy to get the T3's started.
Use either general type forsaken to get a whole lot of moves used or target a specific one with a specialist.
Decide whether a "complete" commander was needed to get a 15 turn orgy going. This was the laggiest part of my runs and so I avoided if possible.
Grab one 100EE + move (taunt+ ended up my favourite) and antipathy (I nearly always rivaled them up).
Use punishers, trying to limit the number of times they'd be needed.
Final battle (remember to save!)
Stray Thoughts
- I think SuperSkippy and I have different strategies and they were both viable, so that's the mark of good design. Nice work CSdev! The items are also a big factor in how you'll play, but as seen, even a mediocre acquisition can be worked with.
- On that note, I'm none the wiser as to what influence actually indicates. Is it how much influence you gain from that city or is it the cost of the item? Could there be a running total on the item page?
- I found Undead much easier to deal with than animalistics, probably more on par with superiors. The EE drain isn't bad unless you let the loop drag on and while their T3 abilities are nasty, they can be dealt with. I'm really looking forward to the "exhausted" change to stop a broken undead just spamming enervation though!
- On the flipside, animalistic forsaken seem to have more utility after you fill the low cost slots of the roster.
- Is it possible to have the Forsaken page as a spreadsheet style thing? It would be great to have cost, damage type, training plan all on the one page. Having "unassign all" and and a button to implement everyone's planned training would also be great.
- Level 5 sacrifice fired on 42 when it says the threshold is 60.
- PSA: You don't need to buy the punisher research (eg. hypnosis) to get the associated T4 training after winning the final battle. They unlock automatically in the "offseason". Saved myself so much time from this.
Kalloi, I hope you'll find my save all in order. I did use the Suntorn Dawn portrait pack and roster file but did so blind, I don't think it would've given me an advantage. I nearly forgot to keep a save for my first loop too! All the other loops are saved just before the final battle, so anyone feel free to dig in with those or on L17.
I'd apologise for the terrible puns/naming, but I'm not actually sorry.
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