Picking this game up again after messing around with cheat saves for a bit. I'm trying to go through it legit and wanted to challenge myself by having the Chosen be friends but I'm not sure if I can figure it out. Tried procc'ing the final battle early to see if I could do it but I'm stuck. Any advice? Or should I just wait it out and break all of their confidence first? The save file is "Ready"
Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 54] [CSDev]
Breaking the required confidences before the final battle is kind of an important step, unless you have distortions built up that basically invalidate the fight.
After a quick glance at your save file, you've already got Unbreakable Friendships between every pair except Vanguard/Smile. To get them there all you have to do is break Smile's (minor) CON before Vanguard's (core) CON. CON is a very easy and controllable break for standard Chosen as it goes up when they Explode from a Capture. You have 13 days left which is plenty of time to break both vulns. You'll get them to go up faster if you make sure to use all your Captures on a single Chosen in a fight, and you've got enough EE to really let them have it.
If you need it spelled out more explicitly:
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content.
Log in or register now.
Code:
Stigma +2 T1 T2 T3 T4
MOR (min) [X][X][X][X] 1030%
INN (min) [X][X][X][X] 1594%
CON (sig) [X][X][X][ ] 520%
DIG (core) [X][X][X][X][X] 1820%
Vanguard +2 T1 T2 T3 T4
MOR (core) [X][X][X][X][ ] 660%
INN (sig) [X][X][X][X] 1342%
CON (core) [X][X][X][X][ ] 370%
DIG (min) [X][X][X][X] 1880%
Smile +2 T1 T2 T3 T4
MOR (sig) [X][X][X][X] 1110%
INN (core) [X][X][X][X][X] 1582%
CON (min) [X][X][X][ ] 250%
DIG (sig) [X][X][X][X] 1080%
Last edited:
- Feb 28, 2020
- 4
- 0
I recently started playing this game and after a couple of runs I have managed to break all tier 2 vulnerabilities by day 26 but now I am kinda stuck. The game tells me to "Reach 1.00G Unresolved (x) vulnerability" but I have no idea what that unit of measurement is meant to represent. Also, any tips on what to do going forwards to generate more Evil Energy would be greatly appreciated as the +15 EE doesn't cut it anymore
- Jul 30, 2020
- 114
- 65
1.00G is basically the game needing you to reach the ludicrous amount of trauma needed to trigger t3 break prepping conditions.
To reach it, you'll need to put all chosen into a collective orgy for an extended amount of time, saaay 5 turns(maybe? It's been a while since I've played). Not sure how to increase your ee, but progressing the t3 breaks should increase it. Sorry I can't help in this regard, it has been a long while.
Also, 10 turns should be enough to cause half if not all t3 prep conditions. The reason why I'm saying prep conditions is that the t3 break will not be available until the following battle where the chosen preforms Z t3 action, causing the actual break.
You'll know they are ready to do so when their t3 is [/] and not [ ].
1.00G means 1.00 Giga-, which is 10x 100M (Mega-). 1M is 10x 100k (kilo-).
Daily EE generation is based on a mix of vulnerability breaks and unresolved trauma, so if you're only getting 15 EE a day then you need to do at least 1 T3 Break on each Chosen to up them to each giving 15 EE a day (for 45 EE a day in total). Honestly, don't feel bad about not fielding a Commander for a few days to just build up enough EE to field a commander you can set up an Orgy with, as like Nemo said, a single Orgy will almost guarantee enough damage to reach the trauma threshold for every T3 Break. After that 45 EE a day will last you the entire rest of the game basically as 40 EE is enough to get a 6-4 Commander with a Defiler+Suppressor, which is more than enough to easily set up Orgies. Getting a Commander with more than that is kinda overkill unless you're at the end of the loop, have all the upgrades you need, and are just building up the T4 Breaks, or it's the Final Battle.
You need an Orgy, or a really long Inseminate+. For big numbers: k (kilo)->thousand, M (mega)->million, G (giga)->Billion, T (tera)->Trillion, P (peta)->Quadrillion, E (exa)->Quintillion. Each is 1000 times more than the previous. And so far, I haven't seen numbers bigger than E in this game.
The upgrades that you're looking for at this phase of the game are, basically: Networked Consciousness, Passion Release. Others you can get when you have a big influx of EE are Soul Resonance, Reality Sealing, Synthesis.
Once you have Networked Consciousness and Passion Release, a 3-capture 6-turn basic commander is strong enough to get at least a moderate Orgy and open up some T3s, usually all of them in Loop 1. If you're having trouble with that, some general tips: keep capturing/surrounding before Extermination finishes, pay special attention to building up any circumstances below 1000. Once you have circumstances over 1000 on each, pick a Circumstance and build it on all three (HATE will get you farthest). Once Extermination finishes, don't do any more Surrounds on a Chosen that breaks free until the other two are about to break free as well. You want them to have close to the same number of openings/surround turns. Then you're going Inseminate, Inseminate+, Orgy, all in quick sequence. It's not hard to get 9-12 turns which, again, in Loop 1, is enough to open up a lot.
I've definitely seen G for giga, but i'm a cheater so what's the point if not to get bonkers high numbers
- Oct 14, 2020
- 161
- 539
At least whenever you aren't using a warp to skip Loop 2 entirely!
They look at their own EXPO and at their allies' (possible or current) surround situations when deciding how highly to value the move, but it's always an option unless it would be literally useless. It just depends on how highly they value the other moves they could use that turn.
I am actually a bit surprised! The one use case I had in mind was "Victory with the Negotiation Distortion" since that (briefly) gives her such a high damage multiplier that even the 3% base damage can be considerable. But now that I think on it, the Animalistic achievement bonus means that dealing any damage to a circumstance can actually get you to Lv 1 reliably, and getting to Lv 1 in everything is actually a pretty nice starting point for a battle.
Thank you for going so deep! Devils will begin showing up in loops with Splendor defeated even in old saves in R48, but at this point you've gone so far that even adding Devils won't put your save file back on the intended power curve. I hope that the game remains entertaining a bit longer in your next playthrough!
This is pretty close to what's planned for Angel Forsaken (hopefully being added in R50). Basically, the Angel achievement bonus will be the ability to "Retire" your Forsaken instead of sacrificing them, with greater efficiency depending on the number of Angels defeated. I'm still working out the exact mechanics, but you'll have various posts you can permanently assign them to, and even after doing so, you'll still be able to visit them for custom sex scenes and such.
This is a useful illustration of the possible new player experience. I can see how the guide goal system might benefit from a bit more direct guidance just to avoid some of these easy misconceptions. It's tricky, because I'm having to work against the expectations set up by more "mainstream" H-games. In most of them, you might select an option to hypnotize the heroine, and you have a little progress bar that fills up by 20%. And so you repeat the scene 5 times in order to unlock the next scene in the sequence. There's no secondary option to speed up the progress, because there doesn't need to be. But if someone tries to hit 100M DISG by just using Slime over and over again, they're going to be sitting there for awhile.
At the same time, I think a large percentage (probably a majority) of people who come across this game are probably just not going to be interested in games like this. It's a pretty niche subgenre. So, rather than just making the game "easier" to get into, I think it's also important to make it clear what sort of game it is, so that people who like this sort of game can find it, and people who don't are able to move on without wasting their time. It's something I'll be continuing to think about how to improve.
Also, the memes gave me a sensible chuckle.
Are there any additional features you'd like the recording system to have? I imagine that feature #1 is "It should actually work and not just break immediately," but beyond that, the way it's currently meant to work is "The player can type in a custom message for each 'step' taken, and if no message is written then the game will generate one which simply says which 'step' was performed."
The tricky thing with updating the system is that the number of possible 'steps' has been greatly increased. In addition to Forsaken training and positions, there are also some other sneaky sources of randomness that could cause a playthrough to desynch. For example, if you cum inside a Forsaken and she gets pregnant, then the resulting offspring will show up later and change which Chosen personalities are seeded to show up. But depending on your toggles, that Forsaken might be male for a player trying to follow your playthrough. So, even before I start work on coding the fix, I need to figure out how to deal with that kind of situation.
On top of that, one of the intended uses of the comment sharing system is supposed to be for players to branch off into their own playthrough at some point while still going up against the same challenges. I want it to be possible to players to say "Hey, this seed has an Animalistic potential Notorious Publicist in Loop 5, how can we exploit that to the fullest?" But, again, there are flavor-related actions you can do which currently change who shows up in each loop. I have to ask myself whether it's a good idea to try to standardize that kind of thing, even if it requires disabling the current "Chosen in each loop are rearranged in order to provide a personality contrast between Bait Forsaken and related Chosen" system.
Basically, what I'm saying here is that there are other things that need to be figured out before the random seeding system is stable and it becomes possible to make a commented playthrough that doesn't just break a couple of releases later, so don't hold your breath. I do appreciate the offer, though!
Yes, the Demon Lord can also create Chosen offspring with the Forsaken. Basically, there's no such thing as a "natural born Forsaken." Every Forsaken is the result of a Chosen body losing its heroic powers.
Adding an extra button press is definitely not something I'd like to do. Rewriting the combat log with every hover is technically possible, but very messy. That said, there is already a little tooltip that shows up when you hover over combat buttons for a moment.
In my case, it's because I had no idea what that was until I saw your post. I'll look into fixing it on my end.
For what it's worth, I believe that the difficulty has been going down over time. Maybe I go a bit too far with hyping up how each new species is going to be difficult in a special way, but whenever those species show up, it's always instead of other difficulty modifiers, so the game isn't actually made harder by their inclusion. And with Distortions, even if you trigger one by accident (as I've actually done with both Aversion and Rampancy in the past), the Distortion itself is basically a win condition. I only plan for the game to get easier from here (with more difficult challenges existing, but not locking any significant content behind them).
A small correction here: the entire boss trio is what's worth 90 points. So, when the game adds Victory and her two Animalistic allies, the game just accounts for 90 points at once, rather than counting the 22 points for each Animalistic ally separately.
This is a good point. That code was written early in campaign mode development before the other species were added. I'll have to take another look at whether the thing it was intended to do is still necessary, and if so, write some code that does it better.
Some interesting ideas here. I do want to add a bit more to break the monotony of the less eventful loops.
Thanks for the feedback. There's some more planned for Splendor, including possibly some Distortion paths that can let her be less of a liability early on. Basically, the choice between her and Victory is meant to be "hard fight now, or easy fight with some harder regular loops afterward"? And as for her narrative involvement, I do have some plans I'm very eager to implement.
This much, at least, is easy to do. I've added it for R48.
Turns out that the bug here was actually related to specific outfit options not working properly with the self-clothes-damage-during-Rampage paragraph for one specific damage level. It's been fixed for R48.
Soul Liquefaction was added in the same update as Undead Chosen, and it was indeed meant to be especially good against them. But I also found it very useful in one of my test runs against Devil Chosen. In general, I think it's one of those things that's stronger in loops with longer deadlines, which means that it's not able to reach its full potential in later loops in the current release.
Thanks for catching this. The initial paragraph broke during a code refactor. It'll be fixed in the next version.
Thanks for catching this bug as well. It'll also be fixed in the next version, although bosses who have already been affected by the bug won't be fixed until they become Forsaken.
Yes, this is a bug that could affect Parasitized Chosen during the outfit swap scene depending on how their number of clothing articles matched up with the Forsaken they swap with. It'll be fixed in the next version.
Right, I had just assumed that that and several other moves worked on an "at least two turns" rule based on how I'd seen it used before. I'm in the code every so often now and I see a bit better how things work.
The plan is to go back to R10 on this save once there's a good reason to do so.CSdev said:
Ideally, for an in-game tutorial, the ability to go line-by-line through output and change it or mark it up would be key, so that it's possible to do things like "explain the output of the INFO button" and "show the new player that they are about to cross/have crossed a threshold".CSdev said:
Also--the option to remove some buttons at specific times, to introduce new concepts one-at-a-time.
Some kind of different font or the ability to highlight or color text would be helpful for having explanatory text stand out from game text would also be helpful for this.
What I'm thinking is a "Begin Tutorial" button that can be clicked from the main menu, that puts players on rails against a specific non-variable instructionally appropriate team. They can exit the tutorial any time by doing an action clearly different from what is indicated, and will be prompted, "This action will leave the tutorial. Are you sure you want to exit the tutorial?" with Yes and No buttons before being kicked out. The tutorial walks them through Loop 1 basics move-by-move against a preset team of Forsaken. Every EE purchase, a few key presses of INFO when relevant, and explanations of what information is conveyed by the pictures on the right side of the screen are included in this.CSdev said:
Eventually, this could be expanded to get players through: training their first Forsaken, Distortions and their effects, how to use Forsaken Punishers, how to deal with Superior Chosen, how to deal with Animalistic/Undead Chosen. Since it's a tutorial, settings can be changed so that they're fighting against specific Chosen, and options/settings can be locked to disallow sources of randomness.
Or, it can be broken into multiple tutorials, each with a clear end-state and defined beginning state, the way some modern strategy games do it. You could break up Loop 1 into its constituent tasks: beginning to T1 breaks, T2 breaks, T3 breaks, T4 breaks, the final battle, and explain the parts relevant to each within each tutorial. This way, the randomness doesn't actually matter as players are doing it piece-by-piece and can expect discontinuity.
Of course, it's entirely fair to say, "This game is made for an audience that differs from the usual f95zone game audience. Players should understand exponential growth before playing to maximize their enjoyment and progress towards game goals. Help files go into detail about game specifics and the thread on f95zone has multiple players who will advise if you're having trouble progressing. Post a save file in the thread if you're stuck. Good luck!"
Is there any guide that talks about how your choices when fighting a chosen shapes them as forsaken?
oh god, this game, this game is going to give me some flavor of brain damage from mental overload if I put effort into playing the legit way, all the more reason for me to stick to using cheats I suppose. I honestly spent half of my spring break week just dicking around with cheats in the scenarios to get a feel for the game and how it works, plus general fun toying with the chosen, but I don't imagine using cheats to get a sandbox is your ideal way of giving players a tutorial by any means.
god I love this game, but if I might ask, when/are you thinking of adding in the last two distortions, morality/innocence and confidence/dignity?
god I love this game, but if I might ask, when/are you thinking of adding in the last two distortions, morality/innocence and confidence/dignity?
Well, the reason why I said it makes no sense is that after the Final Battle ends the game explicitly says that no Chosen can enter the city anymore or else they'd immediately get corrupted, so logically if a Forsaken gives birth to a Chosen within a post-Final Battle city they would instantly get corrupted. Even disregarding that it still doesn't make much sense for the Demon Lord to send the Chosen away to become a problem later, especially considering having a captured Chosen that doesn't become a Forsaken is probably insanely valuable with how we have that vague note about Chosen impregnated by demons giving birth to something worse that a demon. So from an in-universe perspective the Chosen going to another city doesn't make much sense, even if it makes sense from a gameplay perspective.
Last edited:
There is no guide for it to my knowledge (though "forsaken reference.txt" in the game's main folder covers some things) but there are really only really 2 ways you can effect the resulting Forsaken, Distortions and Vulnerability Breaks. Distortions give them a special perk and access to a special defiler for the Distortion (covered in more detail in "forsaken reference.txt"), Vulnerability Breaks increase the starting value of their associated Corruption stat (Morality-Hostility, Innocence-Deviancy, Confidence-Obedience, and Shame-Disgrace), though I'm not sure on the exact numbers.
- Jul 30, 2020
- 114
- 65
Hmmmmmmmm......
Maybe the way it works is that the child is such a large bundle of conflicting psychic energy that they would implode in a huge explosion that would level the city and anything in it, forsaken and demon lord. So to avoid this, the child is effectively ejected from demon territory to avoid any losses. A reason why the children are usually plopped in cities is to keep forsaken functional rather than rebelling after the death of their child.
Also sidenote, a neat idea would be for these demon lord sired chosen to occasionally pop up in a loop with modifiers that could make them harder or easier to corrupt. Like being birthed from rampancy chosen would make them accumulate hate more easily, possibly at the cost of being harder to accumulate pain levels on them. General chosen would add additional resistances or weaknesses like "Hateful" (hate accumulates more easily) or "Benign" (hate accumulates more slowly). Maybe implement a new forsaken post that mechanically adds a chance for these half-breeds to show up in loops until the post is made empty, at which point no more appear.
This is me throwing rough ideas out so I don't really expect mechanical implementation, but do feel that adding demon sired history/backstory would do a bit for world building, whether it be through player means or caused by other demon lords.
I don't know if this is intentional or not, but you can't shift a male chosen if you choose to preserve their virginity. Which I guess makes sense given how the shift happens, but the option to shift them but preserve their new vaginal virginity would be nice.
Also the "Guide Goals" option keeps turning itself back on.
Also the "Guide Goals" option keeps turning itself back on.
Last edited:
Anyway, looking forward to the new release to start a new run. Got stuck on Victory due to a combination of some overzealous save deleting and trying to go for an aversion distortion while the other two chosen also had access to Wild Hunt, making it almost impossible and the lack of earlier saves making it too much of a hassle to go back from the nearest point where I could have changed things.
Sidenote, and something I should have raised earlier: Is Victory (or any boss team) supposed to break the usual balance of vulnerabilities because for example, my Victory had no min vulnerabilities. I wasn't sure since it does make sense as they are a boss so I wanted to check.
Finally, I haven't tried them out so I wanted to ask: do any of the body feature damage modifications also add in/modify the flavor text when they activate?
Sidenote, and something I should have raised earlier: Is Victory (or any boss team) supposed to break the usual balance of vulnerabilities because for example, my Victory had no min vulnerabilities. I wasn't sure since it does make sense as they are a boss so I wanted to check.
Finally, I haven't tried them out so I wanted to ask: do any of the body feature damage modifications also add in/modify the flavor text when they activate?