Man, hypnosis really feels like the hardest one to raise. I'll do my best and see what I can do. I'm at the point where I'm consistently getting 45 EE per battle and I have all of the non-end tier upgrades.
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My experience has been drain being hardest just because you have to target it. If you orgy early then stall around the end of the battle and alternate surrounded chosen with 30+ turn surrounds the other three get finished for everyone pretty quickly.
It's Disgrace that effects cost and power, Deviancy just effects the expertise training modifier.
I might be missing something, but there doesn't seem to be any instance in which pregnant/futa demon lord bodies actually give birth, so they're just perpetually pregnant.
Does them being pregnant get referenced in later scenes? Cause I'm pretty sure the Demon Lord just makes a one off body for the meeting then disposes of it afterwards.
The body customization gets saved so I assume it's supposed to be the same body. Main point towards this being that, once that body gets pregnant the first time, it can never get pregnant again, so there's probably a check getting ticked as with the Forsaken but no way to untick it.
The body customization is saved for convenience, not lore reasons. As for the body not being able to get pregnant again, that's probably just a bug due to how pregnancy is coded that just never came up since meetings with the Demon Lord are pure fluff, so the number of people who both do it and have the Demon Lord being the one penetrated by a Futa/Male Chosen/Forsaken are probably pretty low.
I thought I had run a campaign but it turns out I guess that I accident did a single run or something? Anyways, I managed to beat everyone in my last run and turned them all into forsaken and I really liked them. Is there no way to bring them into campaign mode? When I tried playing campaign they didn't show up.
No, Forsaken acquired in Single Play can only be used in Single Play runs.
During Campaign Mode, pregnancies progress between loops. On the next loop you'll get a message about the pregnancy advancing and the loop after they'll give birth (both the Forsaken and the Demon Lord)
Okay so it seems like one of the DL bodies gave birth, since it was able to get pregnant again on Loop 3. I missed a few patches so I had assumed pregnancies were still the flavor-only demonic kind where the demon just pops up on the next day. I don't recall seeing a message about the body giving birth but I could've just missed it since I robotically click through the menus most of the time.
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One of my Forsaken also has a daughter (which they didn't start with and have no stated partner for) while being visibly pregnant on Loop 3 so I assume that's the DL's child.
The alternate routes are interesting, but lack enough benefit to be a rational choice. ten extra days of training is not a fair trade for potential achievement progress. Giving you a small permanent bonus (perhaps an achievement in itself) would go a long way to increase it's usefulness
As one of few people who consistently plays past loop 15, I agree, but with reservations. The goal is that long-term, a player that skips loops should end up about as strong as a player that doesn't. The intended way to balance this is with item strength, and I'd agree with you that currently the items don't give enough to make the playing field level by loop 20 or so (I'd estimate the crossover point somewhere around Loop 25, which is out past the current end of content). But the gap is actually quite narrow, because items over the long term do matter a lot more than Forsaken. Over the long term, achievements will hit their maximum level in time, and over the long term, players will get much more Forsaken than are useful or even convenient to keep. If items are priced correctly both players will have teams of highly specialized Forsaken that have earned all relevant achievements at some point in the twenties. I think a buff would really throw it out of whack in favor of players that skip loops.
What I'd previously suggested was gating the three "pick another item from this list of three" items behind alternate routes, as well as a fourth item that lets players pick between another choice of starting items. I still say that giving alternate routes a choice between items would balance it out a bit more. Players who want to skip past Loop 4 do not get an actual item choice in Loop 3--they must take the Loop with a Superior Chosen whatever the item there is. Players who skip past Loop 4 do not have much time to train their Superior Forsaken to be strong enough to achieve a Distortion against the Animalistic in Loop 5, limiting their choice there to the Undead. So the first time this player may have a real choice in items is Loop 7. Currently to take the Loop 11 alternate route, players also give up their boss choice in Loop 10 (I assume another skip will be implemented once Angels are in). This combined with an early dearth in Forsaken means that these playthroughs don't have as many interesting, consequential decisions as a player who fights in every loop--some item variety would change this.
So I noticed that some chosens T3 break will break other chosens lower tiered breaks, which royally fucks with planned distortions and such. Anyone able to tell me what triggers this and if this is avoidable/how to avoid it (Other than just not breaking that T3)?
It´s kinda frustrating to build up the wanted breaks and distortions on 2 characters just for one of them to throw all that work out the window.
It´s kinda frustrating to build up the wanted breaks and distortions on 2 characters just for one of them to throw all that work out the window.
It's tied to relationship scenes, Chosen with a Core Vulnerability will have their relationship with the Chosen with the associated Minor Vulnerability effected by the order in which the breaks are done, if the Minor Vulnerability has that tier broken first then they'll become friendlier to each other, if the the Core Vulnerability has tier broken first they'll start hating each other. This culminates at T3 where if the T3 Core Vulnerability is broken before the Chosen with the Minor Vulnerability has their T3 broken, the Core Vulnerability Chosen will attack the Minor Vulnerability Chosen and perform an act akin to the Defiler action of that Vulnerability, forcibly performing the T1 and T2 Breaks if not done so.
The only way to avoid this from happening is to hold off on doing the T3 Break until the Minor Vulnerability Chosen has completed their Distortion, at which point when that scene triggers the Core Vulnerability Chosen will have their attack thwarted in a Distortion appropriate way. But yes, it is very frustrating and is the reason why you need to be aware of those Core-Minor pairings so you know how you'll have to handle T3 Breaks and Distortions.
Ho boy, that does complicate things further, but at least there´s a way to avoid it. Thanks a lot for the explanation^^
Is there any benefit or fun reason to make the forsaken close friends instead of enemies outside of it being easier? Wasn't sure if it makes the personalities interesting or if there are any benefits when they become forsaken.
Well, can't speak to the fun reasons, because those are subjective. But some scenes require close friends so if you're trying to see everything you'll need that. They'll create different nicknames for each other as well.
As for gameplay benefits, the big one when they're Chosen would be Empathy, which prevents them from killing each other until their morale is lowered. And the big Forsaken benefit is that they'll be more likely to consent to training. There's a +20 modifier for each loved one among the Forsaken. To maximize this benefit, you should keep their obedience close to each other, because there is also a penalty if the loved one has higher Obedience. This factor can be significant so it's something to consider if you're pretty sure you want to keep both/all after they become Forsaken.