Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 56] [CSDev]
There should be text files in the game folder
additionaly, things you should consider in your run:
Chosen relationships: Chosen with Core Vuln will pair with Chosen has Minor Vuln in the same type, the pairing will depend if the Core one when breaking is <= the break of the Minor Chosen. If the break is >, then the relationship will turn hostile
Distortion: Alternative win con for the final fight. You can set the plan to distort a Chosen when you inspect them. Distortion can be wierd to go for when you start the game but it do allow you to break a Chosen on the final fight without them broken the final Vuln level.
Damange:
Damage is very depend on chosen for the reason I mention above, but there is a rule of thumb to it. Damge is either Trauma or Circumstance.Trauma is very self explain and you should understand it as you play, Circumstance is slightly more wonky. Circumstance damage is reduce by 2 to the power of the same Trauma. The more Trauma Level is in one of the 4 types, the harder it is to Raise Circumstance. However, more Circumstance level means more Trauma of that type, by a wierder formula. Another note is that raising Circumstance level will make it harder, this is calculate by the highest Circ Level of that Chosen. To combat these problem, Hate and INJU Level on that chosen will help mitigate the reduction and EXPO on another Chosen will help alot more. PLEA is for Amping Trauma damange so you can force a longer Suround.
The Chosen personality determind how much damage they would normaly take relate to their personal values, further explaination is in the Text files. That means that some Chosen should be target first because they can generate EXO the fastest then you can Cycle to the INJU and HATE vulnable Chosen.
Circumstance is important in breaking Vuln 1 2 4
Trauma is needed to corrupt a Chosen everyday activity. The more they are corrupt, the more they generate resource for you.
Comander:After you upgrande Focus, you can now summon Comanders. Base commander help you have and instance surrond, but I surgest you take Tommorrow Newspaer as an Item on your first day (you are allowed to select your start Item on the very first day of the run in the Info menu) so you can skip toward better commanders and also have Eco refunds.
Upgrades regarding comanders you should strive for are the one that give you extra capture turns (best up to 4) and a single extra capture chance. Other often refer it as a 4-2 commander.
Usual game plan:
a) Target the HATE/INJU chosen with commander.
b)Add some PLEA and EXO in the follow up Surrond.
c) EXPO chosen shows up only to get a quick Surrond targeting her EXPO.
d) Go back the now escaped step a Chosen, she is usually now affected by the FEAR lv as a side affect and open to Surround
The game plan expand as you get better commanders that can deal massive up front damage.
The following is assuming you have Tomorrow Newspaper as suggested, otherwise you would need to think much more
Other than the basic upgrades and the one that boost your damages, Vengeful Constitution is a must have so in early game, grab them as soon as possible along your breaking. You are advices to speed run break the Chosen to they generate 6 Evil Energy every day, Then stop deploying commander for a few days so you can buy your way to Network Conscious. There, aims to break them to the point that each generate 5 EE everyday for total of 15 EE. Now its just the matter of grabing new upgrand every now and them and break the Chosen further.
Distortion mention earlier is great at this point as when successfully distort, each time the Distort action is made, you would get 15 EE from that Chosen at the end of the day. Distortion is somehow easier to do than break them to the actual point of 15 EE normally.
The "guide.txt" file included with the game goes over the basics. That combined with the Guide Goals (in-game green text) is almost enough to get you started. There are some important details to add to this that aren't really mentioned.
1) Don't even bother with sending out a Commander until you can build one with 2 extra Duration and 1 extra Capture. You're just liable to waste your EE and end up with nothing to show for it.
2) During the first 8-12 days or so, if you're getting only 1EE per Chosen and you're not making much progress, you're on track. Once you can afford the commander mentioned in 1), you should be accomplishing something nearly every day.
3) You are a Demon Lord with the power to control time and reality. Save often and restart any battle that doesn't get you what you want, or where you waste resources like EE.
4) You need an understanding of multipliers. Once INJU hits level 1, your damage to Circumstances is tripled, and if you manage to get it to level 2, it's tripled again for a x9 multiplier. Here is something that's as close to turn-by-turn guidance as I can manage in this game, considering that teams are randomly generated. Multipliers are the only way to progress, and if you don't understand them, you're mashing buttons uselessly after day 12 or so.
Remember that the game is in alpha, and thus presentation and conveyance have generally taken a backseat to adding planned features. If you find the game impenetrable, this is likely the reason.
Oh, and just a general logical thing--if your goal is to get to 10,000 of something, and you get to 2,000, you didn't accomplish that goal and doing the same thing 4 more times won't get you there. This is different from most other games on f95 in that way. You do not get to the next stage by doing the same action multiple times. The numbers hide it, but this is more of a puzzle game than anything else.
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I wrote 3 guides that might help you:
General early game guide
Basic mechanics/stats/modifier guide
Very basic loop 1 item pick comparison
This would be a good QOL feature
These are planned with Angels I think
Another thing that needed to be updated last time I played was it was convoluted to view Forsaken punisher affects (you had to go into the assign screen to see it).
I'm still new to this game on my first run; and have finally managed to break all the t2's but have some questions. Do I just keep going as I have been. Secondly I can't complete the objective which states that I have to use the same defiler action on 2 chosen at the same time. I have done this twice I believe but neither time has it triggered this objective.
Hi, I´ve been wondering something for the portraits: Would it be possible to set several pictures for the same emotion so that the game picks one of them either every time it displays that emotion, or it picks one to use every fight/"scene". I feel like that could make it a lot less repetitive, considering you´ll be seeing the same pictures a lot more if there´s no variance.
Or is that a thing already and I´ve just not found it yet?
Or is that a thing already and I´ve just not found it yet?
When you did it was the second Defiler use listed as "<Defiler Name>+" and highlighted purple instead of the usual yellow? For example if it was Broadcast, did you use Broadcast on one Chosen then follow it up with using Broadcast+ on a second Chosen? Cause that's what that Goal is telling you to do.
That's not currently possible as far as I'm aware.
Most packs currently don't even have enough images for each character's varying forms, much less multiple ones for random expressions, so it's unlikely that winds up being a priority feature. There's a lot of Chosen and good art isn't easy to come by.
That´s fair, I was just wondering since I´m making some portrait packs for myself if such a feature was present/planned so I´d know whether it´d be worth ot to make some extras for the sake of variety.
When you use a Defiler on one Chosen, and the same Defiler is available for another Chosen, the button for that Defiler on the other will show up in a different color (purple? Can't remember offhand) and will say, for example, "Inseminate+" instead of "Inseminate". It doesn't work this way if you're using a Commander for its defiler, which may possibly be the source of your confusion--you have to click the button that makes your Thralls do the action, not using a specialized Demon with a defiler on it. The intent is that your Thralls are doing the same action to both Chosen.
Yes, both times that is what came up
Yes, both times I did the action it was highlighted purple with the plus. It was also not with a commander with defiler upgrades. The text that followed indicated that both were affected and when the timer ran out on one, the other was freed too.
Is there any way to make specific forsaken get along better? I've had them meet each other several times, and they only seem to hate each other a little more now.
In that case, i think the guide message is supposed to clear at the start of the next combat turn. Did you have multiple turns with the defiler+ out, or was it perhaps only on the last turn of the fight that you managed it?
There were a few turns left on both Chosen and it never triggered. This happened both times. However after loading my save to continue it worked. Not sure what was different though.
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This is useful feedback! Even if a 44-cost Devil is slightly less difficult than the 22-cost Animalistic+Undead she can replace, she also frees up another slot for another advanced species to show up (compared to separate Animalistic and Undead Chosen taking up two Chosen slots), so this sounds about right. I'm also curious to hear how doubled Devils measure up against other species pairs (although I understand that there's no guarantee that you're going to run into that this release).
I think this is actually a good time to start addressing issues like this. The focus is moving toward lategame content, which means that there's a decent chunk of gameplay time before the player sees it. There's also an increasing amount of gameplay based around how you manage your roster of Forsaken, so it's important to give the player the tools to do that.
Currently, I'm adding a very simple summary of Forsaken status to the base Forsaken menu. The Stamina and Motivation displays are color-coded so that you can tell at a glance whether they're above or below the important thresholds. Gray for undeployable, green for receiving a special bonus (like Devil's Contract or Playful Energy), orange for tantruming, red for undeployable and tantruming. Adding some indication of next turn's change would be nice, but some of it depends on what you do this turn, so I'm not sure how to concisely do that. Further suggestions as I work on this are welcome.
Incidentally, Splendor's effect on Motivation should be displayed during the Forsaken downtime display (or at least, it is on my end). But it's wrapped along with any other Motivation changes and displayed as a single number, so that might be why you missed it. I'm not sure if it would be better to do it another way.
I really like this suggestion! It's nice when the thematic thing lines up with gameplay needs.
The entire idea behind Splendor was that her boss fight loop is much easier than Victory's, but the "actual" boss fight takes place over the following loops while you struggle to deal with having her work against you from the inside. The problem is that it doesn't feel much like a boss fight, because there's so little counterplay. (Obviously, the interface problems don't help, but I think that even with a perfect interface, the system wouldn't be doing what it needs to.)
Being able to use her flexible nature against her would remedy that (not to mention that it would be a wonderful counterpart to how Victory's inflexibility is used against her). It's going to be really tricky to balance, of course, but I think you're on the right track here. I'm firmly adding this to my development plans, to be finished before moving on to the next round of boss fights.
Thank you for the feedback! I agree that being able to turn off corruption training upon reaching a threshold would be a very simple quality of life improvement. And as another poster noted, an alternative to sacrifices is planned for the very near future.
Filters for deployment selection could be nice. As you've noticed, there are incentives to keep your roster small (and the addition of sacrifice alternatives will provide another positive incentive to do that), but I don't want interface difficulties to be one of the factors driving people to get rid of their Forsaken. I'm just not sure how to implement the filters in a way that actually reduces the number of clicks required to find who you're looking for in most situations.
Adding the Forsaken Punisher effect list to more screens would be easy enough on my end, so it's just a matter of putting it on a screen that's not already full. Where else would you like to see it?
This isn't the first time that this suggestion has come up. As has been said here, I'm not sure how much use this feature would receive, since my own portrait packs and other people's portrait packs are generally already pretty short on faces. But I'll add it to my to-do list.
Currently, the only way to do this is to change their corruption. Forsaken dislike other Forsaken who have lower Obedience or higher Deviancy. But this system is pretty arbitrary, a relic of when I wasn't quite sure how I wanted the Forsaken system to work, so it's likely to be changed at some point in the future. For the record, meetings don't actually change Forsaken's opinion of each other.
Maybe just a tag on the Deploy screen that says something like "Active Breeder/Active Hyptonizer" in colored text?
EDIT: Nevermind, misunderstood. This is about figuring out which forsaken has which punishers, isn't it.
It might be more clicks, but it's also less reading.
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Regarding the Demon Lord body:
One of the thing I like in this game is the interaction between chacracters with relationship
And and find that with the "Child of demon" thematic, it is really fun to see how it goes
However, the fact that the Demon Lord "mother" and "father" cannot interact at all with their offspring other than approach and receive generic dialogue is quite unfortunate
Proposal:
Because the "Sacrifice" button does not have a use other than get rid of your demon knights and a maxium of 5 EE at the start of a loop. I thinking of some can be fun:
By sacking 2 forsaken in a loop, you generate a Forsaken version of the Demon Lord that has the expertise stat of all sacrificed Forsaken up to now. The EE cost to deploy this forsaken is Equal to (100- Breaks Achived on all 3 Chosen) )/2. They have access to all Defilers/Distortion/Punisher option during combat.
Personaly,putting two Forsaken into the grinder is a steep cost and not worth exploiting when you can have a better, permanent Forsaken, but I think it nice to incentivise the use of inventory control rather than have my Forsaken stacks up because there is no point to get rid of them. Also, I can re-enact the Vader "I have a daughter?!" thing.
One of the thing I like in this game is the interaction between chacracters with relationship
And and find that with the "Child of demon" thematic, it is really fun to see how it goes
However, the fact that the Demon Lord "mother" and "father" cannot interact at all with their offspring other than approach and receive generic dialogue is quite unfortunate
Proposal:
Because the "Sacrifice" button does not have a use other than get rid of your demon knights and a maxium of 5 EE at the start of a loop. I thinking of some can be fun:
By sacking 2 forsaken in a loop, you generate a Forsaken version of the Demon Lord that has the expertise stat of all sacrificed Forsaken up to now. The EE cost to deploy this forsaken is Equal to (100- Breaks Achived on all 3 Chosen) )/2. They have access to all Defilers/Distortion/Punisher option during combat.
Personaly,putting two Forsaken into the grinder is a steep cost and not worth exploiting when you can have a better, permanent Forsaken, but I think it nice to incentivise the use of inventory control rather than have my Forsaken stacks up because there is no point to get rid of them. Also, I can re-enact the Vader "I have a daughter?!" thing.