It might be more clicks, but it's also less reading.
This is a good point. I wasn't able to implement Forsaken filters in R49, but it's on my list of things to think about.
Regarding the Demon Lord body:
One of the thing I like in this game is the interaction between chacracters with relationship
And and find that with the "Child of demon" thematic, it is really fun to see how it goes
However, the fact that the Demon Lord "mother" and "father" cannot interact at all with their offspring other than approach and receive generic dialogue is quite unfortunate
Proposal:
Because the "Sacrifice" button does not have a use other than get rid of your demon knights and a maxium of 5 EE at the start of a loop. I thinking of some can be fun:
By sacking 2 forsaken in a loop, you generate a Forsaken version of the Demon Lord that has the expertise stat of all sacrificed Forsaken up to now. The EE cost to deploy this forsaken is Equal to (100- Breaks Achived on all 3 Chosen) )/2. They have access to all Defilers/Distortion/Punisher option during combat.
Personaly,putting two Forsaken into the grinder is a steep cost and not worth exploiting when you can have a better, permanent Forsaken, but I think it nice to incentivise the use of inventory control rather than have my Forsaken stacks up because there is no point to get rid of them. Also, I can re-enact the Vader "I have a daughter?!" thing.
Other ways to use your excess Forsaken are coming soon. Separately, I think there's a lot of potential flavor to add for Chosen with Demon parents.
Custom chosen feed back:
It seem that if you inport a Roster, and then change the species of a chosen, most of the customise part will be reset. I don't think it suppose to be like so. May be the issue lies in the Ros files was made from older versions
This is tricky to fix because of early code structure decisions, but it should be a bit smarter about saving customization now in R49.
You're correct, it's showing as combined with others. Maybe include a line about it along with the other Forsaken, seems like she's doing more than this:
My thinking is that we should have an informational overview accessible from one click "Forsaken Info" in the Forsaken menu, with the following info, maybe arranged this way:
Code:
Stamina Motivation Deploy (EE,Sta,Mot) Damage Type Downtime Activity
Impurity 60.0/100.0 (+31.6) 25.8/100.0 (-6.7) 15,20,37.1 PLEA Training PLEA/EXPO (63.9K/21.1K)
Whisper 100.0/100.0 (+0) 3.7/100.0 (+39.1) 196,20,12 PLEA/EXPO Trainer (TANTRUM)
Shield 100.0/100.0 (+0) 65.7/100.0 (-7.8) 218,20,47.6 EXPO Training Disgrace (22%)
Chaos 76.0/100 (-20.0) 76.3/100.0 (-38.2) 4,20,31.5 CON N/A (Deploying)
I'd color the following ways:: Color the Forsaken's name with orange if tantruming. Color the Forsaken's name with gray if undeployable and not tantruming. If they're undeployable, color the stat that makes them undeployable in red, and include EE in that scheme. Color the word TANTRUM under downtime activity orange. The goal is making a screen that people can answer a lot of questions at once without cross-referencing information and allow them to collect information about who they can deploy, what it costs, and what damage they get.
I think most players will understand or learn, for example, that if you change the Chosen's activity by deploying them or training them, then that will change their downtime and Motivation/Stamina changes may apply to others.. Including that info in this table is another hint in this direction that also gives players useful info.
There might be room for one or two more columns, but I'm not sure what they should be. Regardless this would be a powerful tool for players to read the current gamestate and how it applies to their Forsaken.
I didn't follow this scheme exactly, but the suggestions were helpful. I'm trying to stick with the color scheme of gray = undeployable, orange = tantruming, green = bonus.
At a minimum, being able to navigate to it from a Forsaken's page (or subpage) instead of having to back out to the assign menu would be a big improvement. The menu showing every Forsaken's affects is good when you are trying to pick who to put in a slot, but when you're training a forsaken and need to remember what this specific one does that's a real pain.
It could be under Stats, or Herself, or anywhere really.
I've added this as well. There was already a spot to show bonuses Forsaken were getting for their own Punisher, so in R49 that will show the effects of other Punishers as well.
The alternate routes are interesting, but lack enough benefit to be a rational choice. ten extra days of training is not a fair trade for potential achievement progress. Giving you a small permanent bonus (perhaps an achievement in itself) would go a long way to increase it's usefulness
As one of few people who consistently plays past loop 15, I agree, but with reservations. The goal is that long-term, a player that skips loops should end up about as strong as a player that doesn't. The intended way to balance this is with item strength, and I'd agree with you that currently the items don't give enough to make the playing field level by loop 20 or so (I'd estimate the crossover point somewhere around Loop 25, which is out past the current end of content). But the gap is actually quite narrow, because items over the long term do matter a lot more than Forsaken. Over the long term, achievements will hit their maximum level in time, and over the long term, players will get much more Forsaken than are useful or even convenient to keep. If items are priced correctly both players will have teams of highly specialized Forsaken that have earned all relevant achievements at some point in the twenties. I think a buff would really throw it out of whack in favor of players that skip loops.
What I'd previously suggested was gating the three "pick another item from this list of three" items behind alternate routes, as well as a fourth item that lets players pick between another choice of starting items. I still say that giving alternate routes a choice between items would balance it out a bit more. Players who want to skip past Loop 4 do not get an actual item choice in Loop 3--they must take the Loop with a Superior Chosen whatever the item there is. Players who skip past Loop 4 do not have much time to train their Superior Forsaken to be strong enough to achieve a Distortion against the Animalistic in Loop 5, limiting their choice there to the Undead. So the first time this player may have a real choice in items is Loop 7. Currently to take the Loop 11 alternate route, players also give up their boss choice in Loop 10 (I assume another skip will be implemented once Angels are in). This combined with an early dearth in Forsaken means that these playthroughs don't have as many interesting, consequential decisions as a player who fights in every loop--some item variety would change this.
It's tricky, because the difficulties that come with skipping a loop are more significant for early loops, but the early loops are also the ones which give the smallest warp bonus. I don't want to just inflate the number of influence points the early loops grant, because that will mess up the loop-to-loop difficulty curve for the campaign.
I think that allowing the other item choices while warping is probably enough to make the later warps viable, but of course that does nothing for the Loop 2 and Loop 4 warps, which are the ones that need improvement most. Maybe I should make it so that Superior Chosen appear in both cities in Loop 3, so that going for the warp doesn't stick you with an item you don't want. The Loop 2 warp could also just give you a higher number of training days than the others.
On top of that, I noticed they tend to wear the exact same outfit as all the other chosen during downtown it seems like (mesh top and microskirt), Can you change that as well manually?
This, at least, should be a bit better in R49 with the extra clothing items.
CSdev
Is this intended behavior? When using the new "skip a loop and pick up one of the items" choice, Influence is calculated as if you fought/recruited the Chosen in that Loop. Example:
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My understanding is that Influence is supposed to be awarded based on what's missing/not there. Since the two choices at the bottom don't give you any Chosen, they should have the Influence value from the Undead/2 superior (Barrier Jammer choice) or Undead/Animalistic/Normal (for the Inevitability choice) added back, right? Or were these choices intended to leave you with fewer resources as compensation for them being extra choices?
Also, after loading and sacrificing Forsaken that I didn't want before starting the loop, a lot of things disappeared:
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Save file attached. Load slot "chooseloop9"
These are both bugs, so thanks for catching them. They're fixed in R49d.
OK, so--I'm completely stumped on how this might be possible to do without cheating, but maybe someone else out there understands better than me.
I'm in Loop 11, after beating Splendor, and I want to get through to the "alternative route" so I can hurry on to Victory. Last time I fought a Devil, it was with an Undead + Superior I think, which was very doable. But this time, she's with an Animalistic + Superior and I'm... just not seeing a path.
The save at the beginning of the loop is "deviltime". i think it'll be in slot 1 but it may be a few pages back.
The save that represents what I've been able to accomplish so far is "longerfights". It's over halfway through the loop and I haven't been able to break the INN core on the Animalistic Chosen at all yet.
If anyone's got ideas for how to do this legitimately, I'm all ears--but I'm not seeing it myself.
I took a stab at this one yesterday, so I figure I can write my own playthrough report here. The short version: I was able to get into a probable winning state as of Day 28 before hitting a bug (which is now fixed in R49d). However, I do think that it ended up being more difficult than Loop 11 should be. If fighting Splendor first can lead to combos like this, then tackling her before Victory would never be a smart move. The extra planned Splendor options should make this more reasonable.
I'm attaching my save file to this post if anybody wants to follow along. Here's the day-by-day.
Day 1
Buy Focus, Fast Breeders, Eager Breeders. Sometimes I like to use a Forsaken right on Day 1, but that's generally not a good idea against Devil Chosen. Instead, I just use regular attacks and surround Fortune at the end of the battle to extend it as long as possible.
Day 2
Buy Wide Deployment. Fang shows up. Now that it's clear how the Vulnerabilities will shake out, it's time to make a plan. I decide that since Gibberghast is so strong (4EE cost, 1000% HATE style, Orgy Defiler), I should be aiming for a big HATE Orgy as my main goal for the midgame. This means that I'll be wanting to look at HATE-enabling Distortions. Aversion has the advantage that you hold the associated item. Getting a 7-turn surround with 10k damage on everybody is probably easier than getting a 15-turn surround on anybody, so I'm leaning toward Aversion.
Days 3 & 4
Not much interesting here - just using regular attacks to make sure they keep generating 1 EE and then surrounding at the end of the battle to pass the turns until the third Chosen shows up. One thing of note: I stack all the excess trauma on Fang, leaving Fortune with
just enough trauma to generate energy for me. This is because the Devil Chosen bonus is based on how much ANGST the other Chosen have. Keeping them both at 0 ANGST is impractical (because you'll need to stack EXPO on one of them to make any progress on the Devil), but the lower you can keep them until making your move against the Devil, the easier it'll be.
I've decided that Fang is going to be the one I plan to use to set up combos against the Devil (since she's weak to EXPO, and the Animalistic weakness rotation will let me set up whichever Defiler+ action I need). Fortune is just going to get enough damage each battle to keep generating +1 EE per day. And even against Fang, I'm not using Commander captures or anything that stacks up too much damage.
I grab Enhanced Polymorphism on Day 3, then Psychic Reading and Coordinated Deployment on Day 4, all to help extend the battles as long as possible.
Day 5
Tomorrow's Newspaper lets me buy a bunch of upgrades here: Perception, Patience, Hunger, Lust, Anger, Mania.
Adversary, the Devil, shows up. I do some experimenting with this day and find that even using Gibberghast, I can only stack about 6k of each trauma except DISG against Adversary, which isn't nearly enough to enable +2EE generation per day. So, I reload and just keep fighting without a Commander, spreading around enough trauma to keep everybody generating +1EE per day.
Day 6
Grab Weakness Sense, Persistence, and Cunning. Weakness Sense is important for making a serious attempt at breaking Adversary.
Day 7
Gibberghast is already able to get a T1 Morality Break against Adversary! The strategy which I'll be repeatedly using is to start with Fang, capture her, release the turn before Adversary shows up, capture Adversary, then surround Fang and hit her with EXPO (which she's weak to today).
Day 8
Fang's weak to HATE today, and Adversary's also taking more damage due to her Morality Break and her ANGST. I start with Fang, release to capture Adversary, start dealing EXPO to Fang, then Release Adversary on Round 10 right before extermination completes and capture her again in order to get her up to 10k HATE. The 10k HATE lets me get T1 Dignity Break on Adversary, and then I use Inseminate+. This gets Adversary to generate +2 EE per day, which allows Fang to do the same. Fortune continues to get pampered for +1 EE per day.
Day 9
Fang cycles to PLEA today (she still hasn't actually suffered any breaks at my hands). Gibberghast tantrums, but I suppose she's earned the right to act out. I just tread water here and collect my EE.
Day 10
My saves and my notes get messy here because I was trying a few different things in search of the big Orgy breakthrough. I was also busy with work soon after, so I start playing pretty sloppy. I definitely could've used Causal Projection to speed up my EE generation a little and probably hit that breakthrough an Animalistic-cycle earlier.
I was surprised to see Misery, a regular-ass human Forsaken in your lineup, but Fang was weak to INJU, so I went ahead and grabbed T1 and T2 Confidence break against her here.
Day 11
Fang's still weak to INJU, so I might as well see if I can set up an INJU combo against Adversary. Though, I'll be really surprised if-
Wait, really, Adversary? Are you seriously letting a basic human Forsaken sodomize you?
How embarrassing!
Day 12
Fang is weak to EXPO today, so I deploy Temptress (another really well-set-up Forsaken, with initial 1000% EXPO with Temptation to swap to 1000% PLEA mid-battle). Fang's Dignity is pre-broken, but hitting 10k EXPO makes it easy to get T1 Innocence Break too. Moving on.
Day 13
I start trying for Orgies. Fang is still weak to EXPO, so I start with that. But as a Superior Forsaken with Core Dignity, Fortune is really, really strong against EXPO. It's pretty clear that this won't work.
Day 14
What about a HATE Orgy? Well, Fortune also happens to be a Superior Forsaken with Core Morality. This is where I realize my strategic error in trying to set up Aversion using Adversary and Fang. With your Forsaken roster, you're strongest with HATE and EXPO, but those are precisely what Fortune is strong against. It still might be possible to swing it, but only by softening up Fortune with ANGST and breaks ahead of time. It almost certainly would've been smarter to designate Fang as my low-trauma Chosen and combo Adversary with Fortune instead. And then, it would've been easy to just wait until Fang's cycle was wherever it needed to be for the Orgy.
Day 15
I use Temptress to get a T2 Innocence Break against Fang here. Because Adversary isn't getting as much damage reduction as in your run, this is pretty straightforward - I can get Adversary to Lv2 EXPO and then just use Temptress to hit Fang's PLEA.
Days 16-18
Just gathering energy, buying upgrades and waiting for Fang to cycle around.
Day 19
With help from Reality Sealing, Gibberghast can actually throw Fortune into a HATE Orgy here! But Forsaken Defiler Orgies are weaker depending on Forsaken strength, Gibberghast is cheap, and the Orgy is only 6 turns anyway. Fang and Fortune take plenty of damage, but that just pumps up Adversary's damage reduction, and she becomes untouchable. This isn't a winning state. I load my save from the start of the day and just keep gathering energy instead.
Days 20-22
Waiting for Fang to cycle around again.
Day 23
And now, with help from Networked Consciousness, an 8-turn Orgy is possible! This would normally be the win condition for the loop. However, even though Adversary falls to Aversion, I'm still far short of 100M on everybody because they all have so much damage resistance (particularly against EXPO, which means that the Orgy doesn't compound very quickly). After the initial burst from Adversary generating +10 EE during the Aversion downtime, I go back down to +5 EE per day. At least I was able to get Fortune's T2 Morality Break in the process. Because of her pre-broken Confidence, this means that she's now a valid target for Aversion too.
Days 24-26
Just waiting for Fang to cycle around again for a proper Orgy. I do some Forsaken training here in order to give Gibberghast some Motivation.
Day 27
Adversary's Devil damage resistance is much higher due to Fortune having loads of ANGST now, but Adversary's own ANGST modifier is high enough to be workable. With the extra upgrades and Fortune being weaker to HATE, I can finally set up a proper 7-turn Orgy without relying on Gibberghast's Forsaken Defiler, and this puts Fortune into Aversion as well. Fang ends up with enough trauma for two T3 breaks, while Fortune ends up with enough for one.
Adversary still hasn't hit her T3 break thresholds, but the damage she takes is now entirely determined by her ANGST bonus, which is higher than ever. And now I've gone from +5 EE per day to +15 per day, with more big bonuses incoming from Fang's and Fortune's T3 breaks. With 16 days left in the loop, there's plenty of time for bigger orgies and T3 move activations. Really, even a Day 28 final battle would be a win since Adversary and Fortune are now valid targets to be killed off by Fang.
I stopped here because I ran into a bug (Devils doing a two-person Aversion downtime would prevent the third Chosen from performing any EE-generating actions). But I think it's fair to say that this run is on the path to winning. I'm uploading it here in case anybody wants to take a look.
I can't post a save because I'm trying to start one but here's what I've been doing:
>I set the composition to all males.
>Click customize.
>Change the names and go through the personality tests. No advanced species because as much as I'd love to make canonical furries the fact they are more difficult to deal with kinda fucks with that.
>Don't change difficulty. (Probably less relevant but whatever.)
>Change hero-name. No title.
>Customize the outfit. Delete all clothes.
>Create new article.
>Click through the regional options.
>Either click groin, or click all of the options until you get to groin and it should crash by then.
I also tried it again by editing a premade bodysuit, and removing the hips was fine, but when i removed the legs on the article it crashed. It's similar enough that it seems related.
I replicated this sequence of actions on a fresh save file, but it didn't crash. My best guess is that the crash comes from trying to print the flavor text for a particular body type, but after trying a few times with random bodies, I still wasn't able to trigger a crash.
If you open the game folder and go to portraits then open portrait pack guide.txt it will tell you the associated attributes for 12 of the personalities, although it may be outdated since it only lists 12, not sure.
I realized you might prefer me posting a list so here you go:
Highest Morality, Lowest Innocence
Highest Morality, Lowest Confidence
Highest Morality, Lowest Dignity
Highest Innocence, Lowest Morality
Highest Innocence, Lowest Confidence
Highest Innocence, Lowest Dignity
Highest Confidence, Lowest Morality
Highest Confidence, Lowest Innocence
Highest Confidence, Lowest Dignity
Highest Dignity, Lowest Morality
Highest Dignity, Lowest Innocence
Highest Dignity, Lowest Confidence
To add to this, each of those 12 categories is further subdivided based on which stat is closest to 50, and whether the remaining 4th stat is above 50 or below 50. I plan to eventually have 48 different generic Chosen faces in the portrait pack (multiplied by the number of species).
... Welp I´ll try again at some point with the new version and try to remember this time.
