Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[frankensteiner316]

By the way, if the dev is reading this, here's a minor issue that happened during this campaign. I'm on Loop 2 and both my Loop 1 and 2 have a Chosen named "Cheer". Different real names so they're both different people. I imagine it's because I put a Forsaken in the "Bait" position after my first loop victory and the Loop 2 Cheer is the Forsaken's little sister so the game logic of not having "duplicate" Chosen doesn't apply.

same i had two edges in loop 2 and 3 and i didnt use any bait

 

[Kalloi]

Here is a bit of a puzzle, may not be solvable but I'm curious.

Day 23? Pretty much won, just have to break T4 stuff on 2 of the girls, but one is a bit of an issue



Spice is my first Superior Chosen and I'm doing Rampage Distortion.



Is there anything I can do to keep Hate from spiking out of control, or should I just grind up the 100M shame slowly while I work on T4 for the others and give up on breaking morality on Spice?

It's not really unsolvable but it will be a bit difficult. I do think you have a good chance since you should have most the needed upgrades, available (networked consciouss, passion release, soul resonance)

I would use what tools you have available to get an orgy going, ride the orgy out until the turn just before she rampages, (as soon as her HATE overtakes her INJU, and retreat before she rampages, it might be a bit hard since her Innocence and Confidence are core vulnerabilities. So it might be good to use defiler + suppressor commander possibly Spite + Lust and and ambush her teammate for some EXPO damage, or just ambush her first if that causes a T2 confidence break.

It may add a couple of days to your loop but the orgies will greatly help! And congratulations on wrapping things up so quickly!

 

[Eski]

Okay, this time I ran into something that I'm sure is a bug.

I got the "Tempting Negotiations" vignette and it was the Negotiated Chosen interacting with the Negotiated Chosen. The Tempted Chosen was nowhere to be seen.

 

[Kalloi]

Either I'm stupid or I ran into a bug.

I don't see a button to continue to the next battle in my latest save, named "interfere_2". I had just finished Meeting up with a Chosen on the Negotiation path, named Cheer.

Luckily I have another save just before this day so I haven't lost that much progress, but it's still annoying.

By the way, if the dev is reading this, here's a minor issue that happened during this campaign. I'm on Loop 2 and both my Loop 1 and 2 have a Chosen named "Cheer". Different real names so they're both different people. I imagine it's because I put a Forsaken in the "Bait" position after my first loop victory and the Loop 2 Cheer is the Forsaken's little sister so the game logic of not having "duplicate" Chosen doesn't apply.

EDIT: I just realized something. I was trying to do Temptation and Negotiation but you need a shit ton of angst to do negotiations. Once you tempt, angst goes down to 0. How am I supposed to progress in the Negotiation path? Do I do Negotiation first or try to do massive orgies every turn and build back angst again (assuming I even can)?

EDIT 2: Nevermind, I am a double idiot. Negotiating with a chosen means I can't battle for the day. And I can build up Angst back up just fine, but I guess it just gets immediately drained after a Tempt action? Is that how it works?

From looking at your save I believe things are working as intended, since both of those cheer's have different vulnerabilities than each other despite having the same name, this is a little behind the scenes but how chosen get their names is when their vulnerabilities are generated their name is based on those vulnerabilities in a weighted system. I have the document from CSdev that has all the names and what vulnerabilities combinations they're weighted towards for chosen designing. To keep things simple for explanation purposes. The chosen's name "Cheer" is usually given to chosen with the Highest Innocence, Lowest Dignity, Significant Morality, and Confidence that alternates between Minor and Significant.
Could be wrong in interpreting the changelog but I think when CSDev said it's significantly less likely to come across the same vulnerability arrangement they mean exact same.

frankensteiner316, If the Edge you came across had slightly vulnerablities as well, the same explanation is applicable there of it being how the naming system works, if they do have the exact same vulnerabilites though, then it's definetly a bug so it would be helpful to upload your save for CSDev to take a look at it

Hope this helps!

I got the "Tempting Negotiations" vignette and it was the Negotiated Chosen interacting with the Negotiated Chosen. The Tempted Chosen was nowhere to be seen.

That Definitely is a bug and I'm going to message CSDev in a bit about something so I'll include this in the message, if you could upload your save for this one as well I definitely would appreciate it!

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

Issue I'm having is Rampage triggers if Hate > Injury during a capture/surround and I can not seem to keep her Injury level up - ie if I start a surround with her at 0 hate, 3 injury and do Grind once, her hate jumps 1-2 levels every round so she's on a Rampage in 2 rounds.

What's the issue? Once you've reached target for rampage, the goal should be to let rampage every time you can for the EE. Sometimes delaying it a bit to have more time to achieve goals on the others (and hence, not grinding to keep hate low).

Question, what do I do on "downtime" days?

Is it okay to have days when you just mess around, saving up for a commander/upgrades? Or should I be riding the EE bonuses from vuln breaking, using the influx of EE to break even more and gain even more EE?

Yes. I train forsaken or I just skip. 50 days, about 50 vulnerabilities to break total. There are going to be turns where you don't break any and turns where you break multiple.

 

[KaitenBK201]

Tried the game but damn have a hard time understanding what happen most of the time

 

[923pr]

Okay, I think I might be running into a bug here. Or maybe I bugged the game out instead.

I have three custom chosen in my campaign that i've set up to be three sisters going from eldest to youngest. All animalistic. Two are standard horsegirls "Wild Horse Cantor" and "Enduring Horse Driver", while the third is a modified horsegirl "Noble Horse Champion" with Core, Minor, Significant, Core.

I ran into "Noble Horse Champion", and because I didn't realise how Bait worked, I set her up as bait. Then I ran into "Enduring Horse Driver" afterwards, but turns out she has no relation with "Noble Horse Champion". Instead, "Flawless Princess Edge" runs up demanding I hand back her older sister, "Champion". Whoops.

I go back and load the save I made after beating "Noble Horse Champion", taking her off the bait position, and this time, both "Flawless Princess Edge" and "Enduring Horse Driver" have no relation to "Champion".

At this point, I go back to the save with "Edge" being the younger sister of "Champion" and capture "Driver" and "Edge". I put "Champion" in the bait position because I'm thinking of just cheating "Edge" into being "Driver".

In the next team that shows up, "Whisper" shows up demanding I hand back her best friend "Champion" and "Cantor" has nothing in her info or introduction about me having "Champion".

I just want my horse-girl sister pussy, man.

Edit: Oh, and when I ask "Champion" and "Edge" who each other are as forsaken, "Champion" calls "Edge" her younger sister, while "Edge" calls "Champion" a really great pal.

 

[tetrisedris]

Tried the game but damn have a hard time understanding what happen most of the time

i think nobody really gets it, except for the dev and the few people who have ever won a dwarf fortress map.

honestly just try it out with cheats, you do learn some basics by doing, and once you find something that works, the readme in the game folder will help you from there.

But in general, the new Interface is a big improvement alreay, with the stats to the side, i'm super happy about that

 

[Eski]

That Definitely is a bug and I'm going to message CSDev in a bit about something so I'll include this in the message, if you could upload your save for this one as well I definitely would appreciate it!

Here it is but I'm not sure which save is relevant. It's probably one of the ones in slots 4-7.

 

[haksaw]

Is this penalty simply unavoidable as circumstances rise?

Yes, every time any circ reaches next tier, dmg to all circs lowers by 50%. So when you get to lvl 1 it's 1\2, at lvl 2 it's 1\4 and so on. You can't avoid it, so it's better to level circs close to each other, otherwise circs that a girl is weak against will pull ahaed and it will be even harder to lvl circs she's strong with.

i think nobody really gets it

It's not really that hard when you make an effort to understand. It's just raw numbers and text only, and that seem to scare a lot of people nowadays.

I noticed that with DnD based games.
- What the hell is 3d6+2?!!
- It's 3 rolls of 6 sided dice plus 2 bonus, so that will be 5-20 range.
- But why won't they just say 5-20? That's so convoluted!
- No it's not, that's a very basic formula and provides clear distinction between base and bonuses.
- But I have to multiply 6 by 3!!! It's like I'm back to school!

 

[eidalac]

I would use what tools you have available to get an orgy going, ride the orgy out until the turn just before she rampages, (as soon as her HATE overtakes her INJU, and retreat before she rampages.

Yeah, I ended up giving up the distortion on the other chosen to be able to get an orgy. Due to the types the only option that wouldn't break was... hate.

The other distortion was negotiation, so that was pretty dead in the water since you need alot of angst on all the chosen to negotiate.

Not sure if I can get her to T4 on anything before the final fight, since it'll be a while to get her more weaknesses and that hate weakness is so huge it's hard to dance around, but we'll see how close I can get in the last 20 days.

 

[Beroxxus]

Yeah, I ended up giving up the distortion on the other chosen to be able to get an orgy. Due to the types the only option that wouldn't break was... hate.

The other distortion was negotiation, so that was pretty dead in the water since you need alot of angst on all the chosen to negotiate.

Not sure if I can get her to T4 on anything before the final fight, since it'll be a while to get her more weaknesses and that hate weakness is so huge it's hard to dance around, but we'll see how close I can get in the last 20 days.

If you are doing Orgies, getting the Angst for Negotiation will be easy. Orgies greatly multiply the amount of damage the girls take. This is one of those games where you struggle and then all of a sudden you know what to do and it becomes easy. Then you start trying the hard part of pulling off multiple distortions for challenges.

 

[Sinistrem]

Okay, can someone please teach me how to use 3 capture commander right? People told me that I should spread it out among all 3 girls, but it doesn't seem to work. I guess I'm just too new to the game to understand that.

I start a fight with a 6 turn capture, use all 4 actions and skip the remaining turns. Then I'm in a weird spot:

1) I have enough trauma to instantly surround again, but fear is not active since there are no other chosen to be surrounded, so I'm not sure whether I should surround her anyway or wait a turn for more chosen to show up.

2) Once they do show up, I'm not sure what my priorities should be since I can't be capturing/surrounding and giving orders at the same time.
I.e. I have 1 girl ready to surround, so I use commander to capture a second one to activate the fear opening. What should I do? Should I first activate all the attack commands on the freshly captured chosen, then go back to surrounding the first one and activating all commands on her, then capturing the 3d one and activate all commands on her? Should I capture 2 and 3 just to prevent them from progressing evac/extermination and focus on the first?

I understand that, in theory, this should lead to chosen getting progressively longer surrounds, one after the other, but in reality the battle seems to end too quickly for me to do anything.

I thought I'd be able to do something cool with a 3c/6t commander, but it seems to be no better than 2c/5t one used exclusively on a single chosen, staggred with normal surrounds. Maybe I should save ee and grind some trauma for more base damage, since the info panel says that I can get more ee out of chosen without breaking more vulns as long as I get their traumas high enough.

 

[ismaloc]

Hello, I would like to know if anyone has a general "upgrade/skills" tree to follow?
For me it seems that is one of the most important parts of the game and it would be very useful for begginers.
Personally I am not having luck using my EE points efficiently when I reach mid/late game, I feel lost when I get there.
Maybe this could also be put in the guide.txt or perhaps in a separate file?
Thanks in advance and have a good day!

 

[frankensteiner316]

I dont get how to make the girls do the slaughter/fantasize etc actions. I just end up surrounding/capturing one and spamming do nothing so the other ones can randomly do their shit. How do i make them do those?

 

[Sinistrem]

Also what's the deal with "greater sins imminent"? I've been getting this couple of times now, and the lack of extra EE is hurting me. They did +5 EE actions before when only 1 could do it, and +10 EE action when 2 could do it. But now that all 3 can do it they reverted back to doing +6 EE together and it's very sad

 

[haksaw]

I can't be capturing/surrounding and giving orders at the same time.

You should have networked consciousness by that time. But there's no general rule, you do what you need to achieve your current goal. You may need 2nd girl as multiplier supplier, so you raise her Expo and Hate\Inju to help with that, or you want to setup an orgy, so you work on a same circ for all girls and circs that help with that and so on.

I would like to know if anyone has a general "upgrade/skills" tree to follow?

Networked consciousness is the most important upgrade. Defiler upgrades to commanders has very limited use and should be avoided until later if not required by networked consciousness.

How do i make them do those?

That's pretty much it, you just surround one and wait.

 

[alex2011]

So I have defeated my first group in single play, though I can't exactly call it an achievement since heavy cheating was involved on the magnitude of using every cheat except the ones that prevent Chosen taking specific types of actions in response to what I do and around 3,000 EE to get me enough to build a ton of high level commanders. Resulted in an all vulnerabilities, no distortions sweep of the entire team.

Now that I have these three, I am attempting to generate a family member, but no luck after around 10 attempts.

1. I know that there has to be a Forsaken assigned as bait, I did this already, but do I also have to deploy the same Forsaken to battles for this to have any effect? I'm getting no results for family.

2. There is a ton of talk in the thread about how eventually a loop should generate family, but I am not in campaign due to lack of cheats and not wanting to lose even one Chosen to being sacrificed or killed by another Chosen in the final battle, which is why I also gave up on my previous campaign run that I was going through when I posted before. Could it be that single play does not allow for family generation?

 

[Sinistrem]

Networked consciousness is the most important upgrade.

Wow I had no idea this upgrade existed, I feel like I'm twice as strong now lol, thanks a lot!
Are there any other upgrades I should be beelining now? I'm getting 15 EE per turn and a 6 turn / 3 cap commander costs 14 EE, so should I just be deploying it every turn now to rise trauma for even more EE gains in the future? Or should I be saving for some other upgrade, like the 200 evac / 500 extermination ones?

Also since I've never done t3 breaks before, should I aim for specific ones, like their core vulns? Do some t3 breaks increase difficulty much more than the other ones?

 

[dekeche]

I'd say reality sealing is the next target after networked consciousness. Send in a 4-6 duration suppressor or defiler commander, and you'll have around +21-27% damage by the time the other chosen arrive.