Well I am aware that relationships can affect downtime actions but I thought high enough trauma/angst causes them to choose a high energy one regardless of relationships. Also, sometimes they would be making +5 energy and then I would do another t2 break which will cause them to go to +2 energy actions from then onwards for some reason. I think downtime action definitely need a fix since even with trillions of trauma this is happening.
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OK, so I've been looking at this in the code, and here's what I know.
First it figures up the new Traumas and ANGST.
For downtime, CS makes a 3x25 array (per Chosen and per possible Action), and does a calculation of each Chosen's ANGST.
It calculates a weight for each value. It's an array so it starts at 0.
Here are the actions:
Of course, in Campaign Mode, all of these are modified by the Trauma Resolution Speed, as well as the numbers being subtracted in the thresholds below.
Notice each of actions 1-20 reduce 1-3 Traumas by an amount. Call them, for each action, T1, T2, T3 in order from greatest to least.
Here's how the chosen pick an action individually:
Then:
This weight is modified by the desires of the other Chosen to also do that action. The code looks at each Chosen, and adds weights based on what the other Chosen want to do and how much their opinion matters to the Chosen it's examining. What formulas are used here?
Phew!
So how can we make all of that practical, since we probably don't write down everyone's Morality and Innocence at the start of each loop on the first attack?
If you've got a Chosen that's not generating their top tier EE (Greater sins imminent, GSI), and they're instead doing lower-tier activities with another Chosen, you have options, and those options will depend a lot on your setup.
Look at the one marked GSI. What trauma is she relieving? In most cases, she'll also be the one with the highest ANGST and she'll be relieving the Trauma that she has the most of, but with a lower tier action. If this is the case, here are some options for you:
The best option, when it's available, is to break that same vulnerability on the Chosen that doesn't have it broken yet. For example, if you've got a Chosen with a T2 INN break and enough stats to get 5EE, but she's instead doing action 6 with another Chosen and only generating 2EE, unlocking Action 10 on the other Chosen will get you there, essentially guaranteed, and the other Chosen may even be able to do it without meeting all the Trauma/ANGST requirements for it.
If that's not available for you, making the less broken Forsaken prefer to relieve a different trauma will reduce that added weight by a factor of 10--making it very likely that now she'll switch off of the action she was doing with the more damaged Forsaken.
You can get smaller reductions if you can find a break that damages the relationship-- but at low corruption these changes will be small.
What if the Chosen marked GSI is doing something other than the Trauma she has the most of? Make sure she's done the correct break for the Trauma that she has enough of.
Hope this helps, and I hope it isn't too wrong.
You know, in hindsight it makes sense that the trauma resolution activities want to focus on the vulnerability with the most unresolved trauma, but it never occurred to me that a possible solution if raising the lower break Chosen to the same break isn't possible would be to just raise another trauma higher without needing a break.
Though even if this isn't 100% right it is the best information we've gotten on this subject and it at least seems right based on what I've seen of downtime activities. Cause now that I actually have that in front of me to look at it definitely explains some of the weirder behavior for downtime activities I've seen.
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So I am still confused as to what caused this. Does this mean in the first screenshot the weight value of Action 7 exceeded all others for all three of the chosen?
- Have all the correct breaks
- Have enough angst for +5 action
- Have the most trauma for that break related action
-Were generating +5 energy on previous days
- Can generate +5 energy too if I just play the day only a little bit differently
This is one of the reason I don't like pre-broken chosen. Apart from the lost energy, I also have to choose different distortion for each which makes this too common for me. I have to sometimes reduce the damage I have dealt (Like if you look at Cheer in the screenshot) in order to get +5 energy.
Anyways thanks for the analysis.
So I am still confused as to what caused this. Does this mean in the first screenshot the weight value of Action 7 exceeded all others for all three of the chosen?
- Have all the correct breaks
- Have enough angst for +5 action
- Have the most trauma for that break related action
-Were generating +5 energy on previous days
- Can generate +5 energy too if I just play the day only a little bit differently
This is one of the reason I don't like pre-broken chosen. Apart from the lost energy, I also have to choose different distortion for each which makes this too common for me. I have to sometimes reduce the damage I have dealt (Like if you look at Cheer in the screenshot) in order to get +5 energy.
Anyways thanks for the analysis.
I agree that in campaign mode, pre-broken Chosen add a wrinkle that I'd prefer not to deal with. I absolutely hate when I can't get whatever Distortion I want to round out my Forsaken, and the problem becomes really acute if you're following alternative exits as I do. At this point, to ensure progress and not getting "stuck", I do make significant use of the character creator to make sure that certain Chosen I need do not show up pre-broken in ways that interfere with team-building. Otherwise I'd need to go through every loop to make sure I get at least some key Forsaken that I need for specific fights. Some examples:
I need a Prayer in Loop 1 to begin building Forsaken that are worth something right away, without pre-broken DIG.
I need the Superior Chosen in Loop 3 to be amenable to a Temptation Distortion for Loop 5. (needed for damage to EXPO/PLEA). She may or may not be hardcoded to come without breaks, but I make one to be sure.
I need one of either the Loop 5 or Loop 7 Undead to be friendly to an Orgy Distortion. (needed for damage to HATE)
I'd prefer if I could make a good Punisher out of the other Loop 5/Loop 7 Undead to start building truly top-tier Undead/Animalistic Chosen. I need the Punishers that boost Circumstance damage before I can build a true Forsaken roster. The best of these can be defeated with a Negotiation Distortion, but an Orgy Distortion will also work (they can't have pre-broken DIG or they come out too weak).
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On to your situation, as I understand it:
So what's going on here is that yes, they want to resolve PAIN enough that that's the Trauma that has the highest weight, and I suspect Eri/Cheer doesn't have T2 CON broken, but does have T2 INN broken. Do I have that right?
If you don't want to break Cheer's T2 CON because you're aiming for a Distortion, you can keep her weight high for Action 10 by keeping her PAIN lower (as you said, "doing less damage") or significantly raising her DISG without raising her PAIN very much. Are you going for a Negotiation Distortion on her? That would make it difficult since the only allowed Defiler that significantly raises DISG (Force Orgasm) also raises PAIN quite a bit. My guess from the visible Trauma is that you're going for Tempted instead, which means that Broadcast is a safe Defiler to use--it does the least damage to PAIN.
Another possibility would be getting one of the other two Chosen to prefer something other than PAIN. Paladin looks like she's only got about 12M more PAIN than DISG. If you get her DISG higher than her PAIN, assuming that she's got a T2 break there, she'll switch over to doing Action 10 with Cheer and you'll be getting +5EE from all 3.
Hope this helps.
I´ve noticed that some portrait packs here have additional emotions and even numbered versions of the same emotion, so I´m wondering what the requitements and possibileties are for self made portraits. Could anyone explain and/or list what can, and what can´t be used?
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i’ll do my best to explain, but if you could provide a bit more examples of what you’re talking in terms of numbered versions and such i can help out more
but the gist of it is there are 9 emotions a chosen have ( lewd, sadness, focus, anger, joy, neutral, struggle, fear, and swoon) and the images are named as such in the folder
chosen have different forms such as when they’re not transformed (civilian) when they’ve turned into forsaken (forsaken) when they’re male or an animalistic chosen
those are all subfolders that the game will recognize and change to accordingly
all those subfolders should have 9 images named exactly like the 9 emotions i’ve explained before in order to show up in the game
ask away if you have any other questions!
So I don't know if this still works or helps but you can try setting different forsaken as bait, since that may change the personality of the third chosen which will appear( Third chosen is the one who will have a relationship with your forsaken and different personality forsaken have different relations I think).
Well I was already done with that loop, just wanted to share the imminent sin thing since I think that needs more fixing. Usually I just try the day differently when I have this problem (Happens way too often)
It was just weird that Triumph and Paladin were doing t2 pain resolving action and Cheer was doing t2 disg resolving one but after I trigger the Dignity break on Cheer and deal some damage they all somehow decided on t1 pain resolving action. You can check the break on the right of the screenshots btw.
Bait doesn't have any effect on what Chosen spawn in, it just makes the Bait Forsaken gain a relationship with the baited Chosen. You can easily test this by not having a Bait Forsaken and starting a loop and seeing all 3 Chosen, then reloading back to before you picked your city and setting a Bait Forsaken and seeing all 3 Chosen again, they'll be the same Chosen both times.
Like I said not sure if it still works or maybe I am rememberimg wrong?
Chosen will be the same but you used to be able to change who will be the Species chosen before. In other words the "sequence of showing up" will change , so if it still works you should be able to change which of the chosen will have a species not the chosen themselves by changing baits as both species chosen and the relationship chosen arrive the last in a loop.
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If I like multiple expressions or I think some discarded ones were good enough I place them in the folder anyways so people can use them if they prefer them . Those are the ones that have a number on their name.
You also made me realize that afraid2 and afraid1 are swapped on the superior folder, I've fixed it on the original post.
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Oh, then besides Petardo's extra expressions I do know CSDEV had an addition where "smug" and "used" could be added to a chosen's forsaken pack, I'll quote the details of it for you from a previous update (R37)
" Other: When portraits titled "smug" or "used" are in a Forsaken's folder, she will now use those portraits in place of "joy" and "lewd" respectively."
Other than that there's no extra rules for you need to consider if you're making your own pack or portrait!
Is it meant to be impossible to have three chosen on distortion's and be unable to have them finish as friend's?
I tried breaking all 4 minor vulnerabilities then distorting the core one, I tried distorting the minor abilities then breaking the core vulnerabilities and I tried distorting the minor vulnerability then distorting the core one but each time it drove them to become enemies.
On a side note would it be possible to add a future teammate relationship which guarantee's that the chosen that have it will appear in the same run when their is a run they could both appear in? So that when I make a team of custom superior chosen they don't appear one by one.
I tried breaking all 4 minor vulnerabilities then distorting the core one, I tried distorting the minor abilities then breaking the core vulnerabilities and I tried distorting the minor vulnerability then distorting the core one but each time it drove them to become enemies.
On a side note would it be possible to add a future teammate relationship which guarantee's that the chosen that have it will appear in the same run when their is a run they could both appear in? So that when I make a team of custom superior chosen they don't appear one by one.
Yeah honestly this is one thing I hate about setting relationships, they force the Chosen not to be together. Like, I get it'd be a lot of work to do since it'd mean rewriting a bunch of scenes to account for it, but it is kinda disappointing that you cant say, have a pair of sisters on the Chosen team that you can corrupt together and stuff like that.
I am unable to increase the MOR of two of them despite a concentrated effort. Fear always overrides Hate I think.
I get such results...
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Send an ordinary (no Punisher, Defiler, or Suppressor) Commander out with 5 captures, max turns, and Flight. Use this Commander as if you were setting them up for an Orgy, but instead of performing an Orgy, get one of the two you want to raise in an Inseminate action and the other one in Broadcast. Royal you should Force. Then, once Extermination is finished, keep Royal surrounded first. One or both will Striptease, they'll both use Fantasize often, but they can't use the same move twice in a row and they'll want to free their friend so that the fight ends. Use your remaining 2 Captures on her as well, then Surround each of the others in turn.
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I enjoy the game's content and all, but I'm very bad at it. I simply don't understand how to play despite going through the tutorial 3 times, so I struggle in the mid-game when it wants you to reach X points in a category or break some harder to reach vulnerabilities. I can't even figure out how to perform the step by step guide missions sometimes.
I hope the tutorial gets reworked or expanded on, because as it is its not very clear to me? Its just telling me what to push but not reeeeaaally telling me why. It's kind of like playing a fighting game and being destroyed online. Yes I know how to play the game, in that I know what the buttons do. But I don't know how to play effectively, in that I don't actually understand what to do. I know X is punch but I don't know how to string together attacks to do a combo, sort of thing.
Could someone please help teach me how to play this game? I can't really see the strategy or gameplay I'm supposed to go for here, and i don't understand the systems enough to understand how you're supposed to cause the millions of trauma needed to create vulnerabilities.
I hope the tutorial gets reworked or expanded on, because as it is its not very clear to me? Its just telling me what to push but not reeeeaaally telling me why. It's kind of like playing a fighting game and being destroyed online. Yes I know how to play the game, in that I know what the buttons do. But I don't know how to play effectively, in that I don't actually understand what to do. I know X is punch but I don't know how to string together attacks to do a combo, sort of thing.
Could someone please help teach me how to play this game? I can't really see the strategy or gameplay I'm supposed to go for here, and i don't understand the systems enough to understand how you're supposed to cause the millions of trauma needed to create vulnerabilities.
Oh yeah, the Goal system sucks as a tutorial, here are 3 guides I wrote to help you better understand the game:
General early game guide
Basic mechanics/stats/modifier guide
Very basic loop 1 item pick comparison