Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Comiies]

People are getting what they paid for. They paid for semi frequent updates throughout the games life and are getting it. If the game was in a nonsense state Subverse (despite the funding that game got) then yeah sure. But, they're paying for the development. It's getting developed. TiTS potentially dragging it's heel I'll be derisive about sure but, people are getting exactly what they wanted.

And it's not like they aren't 'trying' on either. Opinions can vary on the worthiness of said updates but you can't say they aren't happening. And if at a point they settle to slower, larger updates, (like a good amount of the other text based games on the market that just crap out 90 words every 3 months from 1 person), then fair game, I say.

Nothing really toxic about that.

Thing is that the devs are taking advantage of coomers and other people that just like the game and instead of delivering a finished product they choose to milk them dry.Its a scam and the fact that it works doesnt make it better.

 

[Xigbarounet]

Developers are incentivized to delay production getting more money the longer they drag things out instead of getting paid once for a finished product.

In the case of indie porn games, I think there wouldn't be any games at all if the devs were only getting paid once the game is finished and ready to release. It's not like they have big companies backing them up and paying them salaries, most porn game makers are random dudes writing smut in their attics.
I do agree that some devs abuse the trust of their fanbases, but it's the system that allows for the biggest number of people to work on their own projects.

 

[Alterism]

People chose to pay into scams all the time, that does no make them legitimate.

Sure. But this game isn't sparsely updated enough to be scam status. This is hardly the Cloud Meadow of text based porn games.

Look, I get the point you're trying to pitch. Especially with how mediocre the last batch of patches have been. But they're still 'trying'. And that's what you're paying for. There's another game (don't ask) that I keep track of where the main story on both routes are finished, the dev is actively working on another game, and people still vote for adding and fleshing out the first game.

Though if we're going to be real honest the method this game is being structured (where basically everybody is only ever writing to be paid out by the man who controls the pot and therefore are incentivized to not fix anything nor go above and beyond because they're not getting paid for it) really is just a scam.

 

[Wrynn13]

In the case of indie porn games, I think there wouldn't be any games at all if the devs were only getting paid once the game is finished and ready to release. It's not like they have big companies backing them up and paying them salaries, most porn game makers are random dudes writing smut in their attics.
I do agree that some devs abuse the trust of their fanbases, but it's the system that allows for the biggest number of people to work on their own projects.

I think something like Kickstarter would be a better fit, even though that company is just as scummy as Patreon. That way they don't need to front the resources to make a game themselves but they also only get what's fronted and need to put up or shut up instead of bleeding the gullible dry.

 

[Quintilus]

don't ask

Asks anyway

 

[MidnightKing]

Though if we're going to be real honest the method this game is being structured (where basically everybody is only ever writing to be paid out by the man who controls the pot and therefore are incentivized to not fix anything nor go above and beyond because they're not getting paid for it) really is just a scam.

This. At the end of the day there's a lot of shit I can personally get over or look past with CoC2, but this is the one thing that makes me annoyed every single time I think about it with this game.

Perfect example of it on the latest coc post. Someone's asking for more Byvernia content, and gets a "hopefully the writer comes back." I can picture the shrug that came with it. I'm jealous of the timeline that has the CoC devs functioning as an actual team and trying to develop a fleshed out game instead of the hodgepodge mess we currently have. I bet the pigs fly there too

 

[AnonZeta]

I am going to be honest at a certain point you just have to ask yourself why to still bother with this game. I don't really watch it to any great degree and occasionally play when some new scenes that I might like or I am interested in get added. I don't give them money since a lot of the content isn't for me or what I like to see. plus there are other games that I can play intensely and enjoy on the market. I can't tell if the negativity here is the type that people know they can do better but keep failing or people who simply just dislike what is going with this game and the lies/bullshit of Savin and some of the other writers

 

[Wrynn13]

For me this is just one game of many I keep track of, mainly because I like what it could be and some of the writing I do actually enjoy. But I also absolutely dislike Savin's bullshit and have since CoC1.

 

[Comiies]

I mean i dont care much about the game other than playing it with a closed brain to enjoy some smut.I read the messages here cause its fun and to maybe start some debates on the server that end with the devs and everybody defending them contradicting themselves and being hypocrites while not even knowing they are doing it themselves and me just laughing.I feel bad for the people that care about the game and write essays upon essays for it.Because as we say in my country "You can knock as much as you want to a deaf mans house and he still wont listen"(rought TL) so its the same thing here.At least we have the hope of modders saving the game and such just like CoC1(praying hard tbh).

 

[TalRash4]

K, i'm kinda new here, so i'll ask bluntly - who the fuck is TOBs and what is his crime against the community?

 

[arls120]

Please not again...................

 

[Wrynn13]

K, i'm kinda new here, so i'll ask bluntly - who the fuck is TOBs and what is his crime against the community?

The Observer, or Tobs is one of the games writers and responsible for 90% of the wall of text word vomit attacks in it. Also in his own words "a nasty minded psychic vampire" His biggest crime is projects meant to intentionally piss off parts of the community.

 

[arls120]

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[Quintilus]

K, i'm kinda new here, so i'll ask bluntly - who the fuck is TOBs and what is his crime against the community?

Writer know as 'The Observer' short TOBS, also known as 'nasty minded psychic vampire'.
Widely known for writing non coherent dialogues that destroys brain of reader, describing color of curtains in the middle of a sex scenes and making characters the only goal of which, character, is to cater his ego and (unconfirmed) to cope with his (again, unconfirmed, could be 'her') parent problem(s).

Example of said dialogues

If you able to read it without missing the point of the sentence first try, consider yourself having resist to psychic/memetic influences.

 

[M0nte]

K, i'm kinda new here, so i'll ask bluntly - who the fuck is TOBs and what is his crime against the community?

"Well, new observer, Tobs is The Observer,
A writer and a hentai conosuier
To some games savior.
To others it's ruiner.

To backtrack with some tact,
He is a guy with fetishes to enact.
Including pregnant bellies, straight sex,
Cucking you from incest."

Well, I was going to recite the whole history
--through rhyme --
but I don't have the time.

 

[Unobtainium]

K, i'm kinda new here, so i'll ask bluntly - who the fuck is TOBs and what is his crime against the community?

I don't hate TOBs or his walls of text, but I just think he has a lot of weird ass decisions. Like MCs like first 6 kids with Kiyoko all have names and I'm pretty sure like at least 4 of them have actual personalities but iirc the MC hasn't even acknowledged any of them sans Kinu obviously. Like if you just took every random Kinu perspective encounter in the den and replaced them with randomly encountering one of your children in the wild it might have been pretty fun.

Tldr; Fuck TOBS, Mitra mogs fox family, and let me leave Kiyoko for Hotaru you fucking hack.

 

[TalRash4]

Ok, i get it. Thanks for answers.

 

[Fiz1247]

K, i'm kinda new here, so i'll ask bluntly - who the fuck is TOBs and what is his crime against the community?

Has a vendetta against all of us because some guys a decade ago wanted daughterfu incest in CoC1.You can lurk the old pages to learn more.

 

[Alterism]

*snip*

I more keep tabs with this thread. If there's an update posted, it's likely all of 6ish minutes of 'content' to sift through and makes no significant impact on daily budget. I don't interact with the OF anymore (not that I really did before when I realized that almost no real point anybody brought up in that old COC2 gripes thread was ever going to matter.

It wasn't that many years ago when somebody asked if the CG's that showed the "PC" (just Savin's MC) could be an optional thing to view. Which is a rather reasonable ask. Only for him to be shut down. "All or nothing" by a person who clearly sees the issue of providing a face for your character but doesn't care about your immersion.

K, i'm kinda new here, so i'll ask bluntly - who the fuck is TOBs and what is his crime against the community?

Hmm... Well that aside I'm in a mood so I'm not going to hold much back from the tomes.

Just another writer. Wrote a bunch of spite projects (such as a rape scene for a loss against enemies made specifically to make the player unhappy) and got exactly what was being looked for.


And apparently had to get reined in...


In regards to quality...

The intro to a sex scene surely gets you broiling when talking about aristocratic cheekbones and introspective analysis

Isn't the currency electrum? Nobody else in this setting has traded with anything related to copper. And what the hell is the MC thinking about midcoitus?


About the person themselves?
Tobs is a bit of a dick

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I may be hyper critical about Bubs but I'm doing it in a place that I assume not even he is insane enough to try to browse to assuage his ego. Calling out somebody in a very public way is... I mean...

And...
Actually let's stop there.

Tobs is the perfect storm of arrogance. Nobody outside of this space knows or cares about these works. Yet the fellow has the 'I'm never wrong and everything I write is amazing' attitude of somebody who has written award winning stuff.

But hey, at least he delivers works and at least tries with the dungeons.

 

[Wrynn13]

I agree with the dungeons, probably Tobs best work. He's the only one I can think of that gives options based on present companions or stats/history of the MC.