Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Saraf]

They don't like parent-child incest, siblings are for some reason a-ok in Patreon's mind, they just decided to play it safe with Imad and Amina. I guess they just decided to throw caution to the wind and wanted to see if sibling incest would actually get them banned and Wsan stepped up to take the bullet.

Its still on the shitcan list just as much as all other kinds of incest(and with that a possible reason for partnership termination).
Considering Fenoxo wanted to remove all kinds of incest "for the sake of his friends"(ie the people he pays to write)and subsequently even did so in Tits(even Shade seems to have gotten reflagged,despite how narratively integral it was for the character),its hilarious he backpeddaled on that.
Maybe overracting to absolutely nothing at the time(this was well past Patreon´s last purge wave from what I remember,not that I have ever seen them give a single fuck about text only games in the first place)and nuking multiple of your character projects as well as parts of your main story wasnt all that smart after all,huh Fen?

As I said Savin got lazy with the project

Saying Savin got lazy doesnt even begin to cut it.
The New Texas xpac and Reaha rewrite have been in the works for how many years now?

And that why Tobs hates adding content that specifically caters to his audience, wait until you find out Tobs backstory on why he hates player choice with a burning passion

Uh uh,tell us Papa Mogwai!
Dont think Tobs even was on my radar so Im rather interested in hearing more.

Looking back,its impressive how many years I was able to tolerate the teams entire "holier than thou"-up their own rectum mentality.
Their constant "dont like it?write it yourself"-nonsense should have been a deadringer but you know...Im naive.

 

[Jrobbo117]

Anyone know how to unlock the full gallery, both the special pics and the bust.

 

[namelessone22]

You could use console commands as a pseudo gallery. Thankfully you just need to type in Miko and her pregnancy should be one of the autofill selections. Can't see bad ends however so you probably have to type in the battles/defeat scenes first.

Would you mind telling me how to setup the console and where to find the commands (a list or something)?

 

[namelessone22]

Personally I always viewed a corrupt champion as less "evil edge-lord" and more completely self-centered. They act based on what would amuse them/get them off in the moment rather than questions of good/evil. Think normal on the outside but a demon on the inside.

They'll do a good turn because in the moment it's fun to play the hero. It reminds everyone that they're worth following and helps them to influence their party mates and other NPCs. Even if there isn't a direct reward, a creative champion will realize the opportunities it gives to influence/corrupt their companions' attitudes.

Their companions aren't friends/lovers (though the champion will tell them they are), they're objects for the champion's gratification. While the champion might present themselves as just a mischievous trickster, they'll always be corrupting their companions in ways they find kinky or amusing. An example that's already in the game is you tricking Cait into a threesome with Kasyrra. While it's not played that way, it struck me as the most corrupt thing I'd seen. You trick Cait into sleeping with one of her sister's kidnappers, a being she utterly hates, and get her to enjoy every moment of it. That's exactly the kind of thing I could see a corrupt champion doing. You could even build on that to corrupt her, letting her know that Kasyrra is seducing the champion and convincing Cait to do more degrading things or become more focused on the champ to try and "save" them from Kas.

To use Brint for a more hypothetical example: If they turn him into Brienne, a corrupt champion would continue eroding her morality until she's whoring herself out to anyone and everyone, because they find it fun or hot to see someone that trusted them fall so far. Alternatively keep them as Brint, but gradually corrupt everyone's favourite best-guy-friend until he's worse than Arona, focused purely on fucking every man and woman he meets into submission beneath him.

I wouldn't tie it to dominance or submission either. You can be just as corrupt pitching as catching. In Berwyne's case you could dom-corrupt him by breaking him into the champion's personal buttslut. A corrupt sub would feed his ego though, and encourage him to try and live up to his dirty talk. Then they'd drop him the moment he ceased to be amusing, probably at the point where it'd get him spit-roasted by demons until all the arrogance is fucked out of him.

Basically, writing interactions for a corrupt champion is a question of "what is the most amusingly ironic/kinky thing I could push this character into?" Everything else is a matter of timing and scale (you wouldn't jump straight to mind-break in a character's first scene after all).

Of course you don't need to write any of those examples, it's just my personal take on what makes a champion corrupt and how they'd act. I'll leave it up to the thread to decide whether that's more or less terrible than a champ who wants to burn down the kitsune den.

A great example of a character using everyone (including party/companions) for their own ends is the 'Practical Incarnation' from Planescape:Torment.
Though, reading from memory, He would be a serious version of that sort of character,

Spoiler: Practical Incarnation plot ties

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wheras reading your examples here, seems more like 'your' character would be doing this sort of thing purely for kicks?
ie: "what is the most amusingly ironic/kinky thing I could push this character into?"

(Unfortunately its been a long time since I've played it & I can't remember specifics, but hopefully someone else here has/does & can enlighten you or provide a link?
I remember it having a great story when I played it for the first time.
Fairly mature story (well-written) story compared to what was around at the time)

It may be too different a story (too serious) to draw inspiration from, but it was the first thing I thought of.

(Anyone else here play it, have fond memories of it, or anything more modern that was equally well done?)

 

[namelessone22]

in one bad end she gets fooled and trapped by Tollus just because he has you captured

where was this & how do you get it?
or would someone mind posting the screen of the bad end? (would love to see Kas captured by Tollus -just adds to my desire to dismember him - slowly )

 

[namelessone22]

I don't know why but seeing your profile picture and reading everything you wrote is making me laugh a lot.

Well it looks like a cat that'll go and have an insane rant at any second.
Just look at my pure black, soulless and dead eyes.

lol

 

[RenH]

Savin tried to do the unfathomable actually tried to write one of his slut characters getting pregnant, Helia
Things go well, until Savin gets lazy. Helspawn was supposed to be something of a Kinu prototype with you being able to influence her growth, she could become a monogamous lover who was only interested in you or become just as much of a slut as her mother. As I said Savin got lazy with the project
People were fed up with waiting on Savin to finish Helspawn after constantly asking because him because he never added the incest. They get rowdy and continue to ask him. (This might be why Bubblelord stilled hasn't been fired for his hiatus, Savin sees a kindred spirit in him)
This made Savin very miffed and as a result he vowed his slut characters would never get pregnant again and I believed he said he'd never take commissions again either.
Notice how I never said Tobs once, he was literally a bystander at best. Somehow he got even more upset than Savin and as prelude to how spiteful he can be, he canonized that the protagonist from the first game was corrupt jerk, and that Helspawn saw through what him and Helia were trying to do and fled, disowning them in the process.
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Tobs never forgot about this incident he wasn't even apart of, so he wrote Kinu to further spite the people who most likely don't play the sequel first place.
And that why Tobs hates adding content that specifically caters to his audience, wait until you find out Tobs backstory on why he hates player choice with a burning passion

Wow, that is... unfathomably immature. Like actually, wow. I knew there was always something off about the writing in CoC 2 especially with the lore-induced stupidity of it all but this is somehow worse than I thought. And where the hell does Tobs even come from if he's this upset over it that he headcanoned the first game's PC to just be corrupt from the get go? Don't promise to make content you don't want to make.

Though, with the Tobs part, the whole discomfort over Kinu makes sense as well since I never truly understood how the choices we made throughout her childhood even remotely translates to how she turns out after release. Oh, I want her to follow more intellectual pursuits? Congrats, she's a skimpy courtesan. Be more independent? Farmer. Not like Tobs has much ground to stand on considering his entire kitsune content might as well some first year AP class to Japanese culture and he just went fedora-tipping Redditor all over it.

 

[namelessone22]

It's all good, man. Twas only a joke at the sheer inevitability that is Cait.

I agree, and I find a lot of how they handled Cait sleeping around (especially the anal virginity thing - I get that she's saving it & it's something for your character to work up to - and I get that getting defeated in combat & pseudo-raped (why is it that they go to such pains to prevent you doing anything like that to the badguys that are intent on doing it to you (as in we don't want it to be part of the game)- but it's perfectly okay to have a badguy do it whenever we want)) but the way they handled it was just a middle-finger to all the players.

*The part I can't really disagree with though, is that when I imagine designing her, on paper she is the perfect side-kick for this sort of porn-game where you basically run around and fuck everyone.*

--I completely agree it makes it hard to romance her
(they really should have made a separate character that had her personality as a happy go-lucky screw everything npc - it makes total sense for one of your party to be like this in this sort of a game - but hard to take her kidnapped sister and other woes as seriously)

Spoiler: the whole futa argument/problem (For CoC2 & TiTS)

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sorry, ran out of steam here, going to get dinner

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Wow, that is... unfathomably immature. Like actually, wow. I knew there was always something off about the writing in CoC 2 especially with the lore-induced stupidity of it all but this is somehow worse than I thought. And where the hell does Tobs even come from if he's this upset over it that he headcanoned the first game's PC to just be corrupt from the get go? Don't promise to make content you don't want to make.

Though, with the Tobs part, the whole discomfort over Kinu makes sense as well since I never truly understood how the choices we made throughout her childhood even remotely translates to how she turns out after release. Oh, I want her to follow more intellectual pursuits? Congrats, she's a skimpy courtesan. Be more independent? Farmer. Not like Tobs has much ground to stand on considering his entire kitsune content might as well some first year AP class to Japanese culture and he just went fedora-tipping Redditor all over it.

Tobs and Savin both are dudes with issues. A lot of the Fen writing cadre are dudes with issues.

And when you give them an ounce of perceived power, well...

 

[Raf-Raf]

Noice, more people are having insane rants like me too. (Justified too at that~~~)
Need more of 'em because these morons won't listen unless their whole house is burning down.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Noice, more people are having insane rants like me too. (Justified too at that~~~)
Need more of 'em because these morons won't listen unless their whole house is burning down.

My dude, this is a 400 page thread. We spent like the first 250 pages of it (a good year and a half I think) endlessly bitching about Tobs and the others. We'd have crazy arguments, mods would delete it, then we would argue again. Devs don't care. We don't pay them and thus they don't care.

And Fen's forums are nothing but sycophants so yeah, none of this will ever change, they are swimming in money while treating everybody like shit. There's dozens of screenshots of the dev team being actual assholes to people daring to say anything. Their house clearly isn't gonna burn any time soon if nothing has changed still. They're being paid like crazy.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Kind of sad that Kinu comes with all that unneeded baggage since I do enjoy her for what she is. Especially Hime incarnation. Not saying that her content is all shine but a daughter that you can interact with is something that pleases my parental side. But, man, knowing that content you enjoy comes partly at expense of others kind sours the taste. Like consuming a Nestle product.

I don't think it should sour anything for you tbh. If you like the content that's all it matters.

Beyond the whole "I'm a fox genocide advocate" thing, I just find it hard to separate the artist and the art. That's really what kinda breaks the deal for me with the content that I should like.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Oh well, at least I'll be thankful for the blessed people who are modding this piece of shit.

 

[tornasunder]

Spoiler: the whole futa argument/problem (For CoC2 & TiTS)

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I had wondered this whenever I read the update about how you could "dedick" Eryka, as I always thought there should be at least one NPC who doesn't want her penis, or who regrets it because maybe it's not what she thought it'd be. Eryka is like, the first NPC ever from CoC 1 > TiTs > CoC 2 that gave you the option to remove the commonly abnormally large penises all these chicks have, but yet, there's at least a few characters who are written to have desires to grow a penis and wish for you to assist them. Penny and Paige, in TiTs, are two which come to mind.

I'd personally like to see more characters who are outspokenly anti-transformation. Or just women who are perfectly fine with not having a penis since they already have a vagina, because while there's plenty of characters without a dick and we can assume they don't want one, it's easy enough for someone to commission or even write one of those futanari expansions and then suddenly, this character who was introduced to be dick-less is now interested in transforming herself. Some characters need to have convictions that they stick to rather than always accepting an idea that completely changes who they are physically. Too many characters between TiTs and CoC 2 are just too similar to each other in this regard. The writers seem to collectively agree to the idea of "these games are all about player transformation so all of our NPCs should be happy about transforming themselves as well." Just because something is socially acceptable and legal doesn't mean everybody agrees with it or wants to partake. The overall character writing is very plain. There's no real opposition to certain themes in-game, so there's no complications or dilemmas for us to resolve other than "evil demon lady is trying to take over the world" which is the hentai game equivalent to the evil dragon antagonist in all the movies and books.

Maybe even a group of villains, as part of a side questline or something, who abduct (just generic, probably nobody we know) futanari girls and feed them a pill which magically removes their transformations just as easily as they grew them. I mean, Eryka was one character forced into growing a penis so why not have a cult whose motivations are to "purge" what they consider to be abominations? I know that the lead writers for CoC 2 would hate for their precious dick girls to lose their penises because then they can't fantasize about fellating them anymore, but it could allow for them to dismantle an oppressive regime since players could also challenge this group of villains if they wanted to. In a universe like CoC 2, I don't see why there aren't more evil organizations hellbent on destruction.

CoC 2 and the sci-fi theme of TiTs are really the perfect settings for stories like this.

 

[volkov]

Trekking through the Undermountain segment is suffering. So many imps and kobolds fucked and fought.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Free money though~~~

 

[Cricco]

people on this forum dont like the azzy and lia content?? tbh the fact its like 50 cait scenes and one of our earliest companions atuigia still does not have an outfit is annoying we get the pink haired fuck priest entire backstory but we do not know a lick about the legit seemingly overqualified dullahan runemaster who lives next door. she has the credentials to be the barons sole fucking guard but i know more about caits mom than her, most recent seen for her was like brint cucking us while we held her head or something iirc

Tbh i don't recruit azzy because of the shit she's got going with Brienne. It's not written by wsan and it shows. Reads the same as the cucky shit she's got going with lia.

 

[M0nte]

It also feels kind of inconsistent with how Brienne was presented. Her sexual escapades were always shown as us allowing/telling her to have threesomes with us and other girls. So her just jumping on Azzy without our involvement just does not sit well with me. Like I get that since most people that are into Brienne are straight/maybe bisexual guys so they see girl on girl (vagina) action as fun time. Not as dangerous as your girl fooling around with someone that has a dick. But from my perspective , Brienne just going at Azy and us just stumbling on them feels like it kind of, well not cucky, just inconstant. Like I would understand it we told Brienne to seek Azy since we do not have time for her, but it happening in reverse order (where we have to tell her off) just does not sit well with me for number of reasons. Not a deal breaker I just find it a weird dichotomy between Wsan and SKoW Brienne.

 

[Archaon11111]

people on this forum dont like the azzy and lia content??

Not just this forum, Azzy is nearly at the bottom of the patron popularity poll (2nd last) for a reason. Her companion and post quest interaction is just boring to deal with.

 

[Grey75]

There's a hotfix in the latest patch to fix the new broken items.