Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Kuroimi95]

2 much footas
2 buggy
Where actually cool aliens doing cool alien shit, not some furry?

Also new interface is trash

 

[claralover]

That's always an unfortunate stance to read.

Comparisons would be as inevitable as they would be unfavorable sure as was the nature of reviews that any text based game went through for a time. However, expectations would be different and they would be tapered.

TiTS carried a lot of heat for years both early into launch and now. However, the nature of said complaints were mostly different. I know this because somebody made a similar complaint that 'not being CoC1 was a major complaint TiTS had and it carried the same complaints as CoC2... And I went on to check the validity of that statement over by viewing over 400 pages of forum discussion.



TiTS doesn't get (many) complaints about not being CoC1, adjacent, or a sequel to. But then again it never said it was going to be.
Not even when it was still just a dream and a crowdfunding campaign on offbeatr.

Ironically it still provided many of the things you would want sans corruption. Given it's robust TF system and general relationship dynamics outside of the Savin characters.

CoC2 however advertised itself as quite literally a true sequel

And to make sure it's known this isn't out of context: Here's your first (official) public announcement.

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Except CoC2 is no more a sequel of CoC1 than the Witcher: Blood Origin is a prequel to the Witcher.
Or I guess Rings of Power is a more apt comparison as that one was verifiably a hit. So was Velma now that I think on it.

Anyways the major point being that when you call yourself a direct/true sequel you are opening up a hell of a lot of comparisons that are going to be unavoidable. Explaining how this game falls short of the expectations one would have of a sequel goes beyond the scope of this post.

Though a small tangent

Boy did that end up not being true. Ha.

I totally understand what you're saying, and I mostly agree with it. My point is more that the complaints wouldn't stop regardless of what its called, in fact i'd guess the complaints would shift from "this isn't a actual sequel to CoC" to "why didn't you make a sequel to CoC" or "you should have kept making CoC instead of this".

 

[MoneyMan181]

I'm curious about what are/were people's complaints about the game?

For me the main 2 things are the excessive sex and complete lack of shame the entire setting has, and the game having extremely little relationship depth with 95% of the characters(which is a consequence of the former). After a while you just become desensitized to all that shit and at that point, the game doesn't give you a reason to care about it anymore. These 2 things have been made the new standard and brought over to CoC2 which again, makes me not care about the game very much.

in fact i'd guess the complaints would shift from "this isn't a actual sequel to CoC" to "why didn't you make a sequel to CoC" or "you should have kept making CoC instead of this".

These are pretty big reaches and I don't even know what makes you think people would think this. I... can't think of a time where someone is mad that a dev team starts a new IP rather than making an unnecessary sequel, and CoC stopped updating a while before CoC2 got announced, right? Why would anybody say they should restart on that when TiTS was the main project with all the traction?

 

[claralover]

These are pretty big reaches and I don't even know what makes you think people would think this.

are we reading the same thread? as long as savin is in control, people will complain regardless of it being warranted

 

[Skandranon]

I... can't think of a time where someone is mad that a dev team starts a new IP rather than making an unnecessary sequel

What.

All the time, constantly.

Respawn went so far as to shadowdrop Apex Legends, because they knew everyone would be mad they weren't making Titanfall 3.

People are constantly mad about that kinda thing.

 

[claralover]

What.

All the time, constantly.

Respawn went so far as to shadowdrop Apex Legends, because they knew everyone would be mad they weren't making Titanfall 3.

People are constantly mad about that kinda thing.

exactly, people just like to complain

 

[jfmherokiller]

I totally understand what you're saying, and I mostly agree with it. My point is more that the complaints wouldn't stop regardless of what its called, in fact i'd guess the complaints would shift from "this isn't a actual sequel to CoC" to "why didn't you make a sequel to CoC" or "you should have kept making CoC instead of this".

The possibly correct argument would be "you should continue working on TiTS instead of this".

Thought a way they could technically solve the issue is to call CoCII a CoC reboot for modern audiences.

 

[Comiies]

Now that you mention TiTS, I'm curious about what are/were people's complaints about the game?

For me its 2 things really.I dont like how the devs dont understand what it truly is.What i mean is that this is a porn game with all the hardcore fetishes one can ask of BUT it thinks that we care about the story and the gameplay which no one cares.So they dedicate weeks upon weeks of updates on making minute changes on the gameplay/lore.Second thing is the fact that there is no soul in these characters.I dont care if the game is purely futadom but would it kill you to create a character with some personality,some hobbies,maybe some morals?Sex is good and all but make your characters feel more human and not just vessels to check the X fetish box.

 

[Quintilus]

Intro implies that demonic magic able to seep through portal. View attachment 3017563
'Tainted' have several meanings, but in this context, I think, it have 'corrupted' context. 'growing warmth on your groin' also implies this.
So it could have possibly be retrofitted with 'demons charge batteries of old man using magic for exchange of sacrifice'.

Thinking back about it, coc2 could have been possible to teleport kas even with such restrictions.
Remember caits sister what the fuck is her name and how she was sacrificed by throw into the portal?? It could be done the other way. Instead of 'one in - one out' rule, that ruins that trifle of world building there are, she could have been used as a 'vessel' for kas...soul is not an option, since she lack one, so consciousness or something...essence. Nothing physical cant leave maret -> magic/soul/essence/whatever is not a physical thing -> it can escape maret -> with a loud creak, but lore now fully consistent with previous 'game'.
It also makes option to not kill demonic dong a bit more grounded, since in this case shes a victim of circumstance not a literal daemon from sexual furry hell.
Also caits plead 'pls get back my sister pretty pls pls pls' becomes more sensible and attainable because in its current form its 'jump into the portal to hell to get soul cube my sister back' or how savs planning to take her back? Or she under the rug now and mentioning her cause instant ban?

 

[Meatshield236]

For me its 2 things really.I dont like how the devs dont understand what it truly is.What i mean is that this is a porn game with all the hardcore fetishes one can ask of BUT it thinks that we care about the story and the gameplay which no one cares.So they dedicate weeks upon weeks of updates on making minute changes on the gameplay/lore.Second thing is the fact that there is no soul in these characters.I dont care if the game is purely futadom but would it kill you to create a character with some personality,some hobbies,maybe some morals?Sex is good and all but make your characters feel more human and not just vessels to check the X fetish box.

From what little I've played, I see your point. Like CoC2, it's in this awkward middle ground where it's not sure what it wants to be, so it just throws everything and the kitchen sink at you, which just ends up making everything a homogeneous mush of not very memorable things. There's a lot of words, but most of them boil down to "X is really horny and DTF whenever" (replace "X" with "species," "planet," "character," etc.) There's RPG systems and combat, which are both complicated enough that you have to pay attention to them, but not engaging enough to really make them a draw. Last time I looked at the wiki, I counted around half a dozen futa species, not counting the individual characters from non-futa species just having a dick.

/rant incoming (that also kinda applies to CoC2)
I cannot tell you how many times I saw an attractive character, got excited, and then immediatly was dissapointed when it was yet another futa. Don't get me wrong, if they want to make a text-based futa RPG thingy or whatever, be my guest; I think the game would be better for having a more coherent focus. But it's not, it promises a wide variety of kinks and then half the damn characters are some flavor of futa. And every tomboy is a goddamn futa, because of course you can't have a muscular or short haired or even a fucking confident person be just a woman. No, you have to slap balls on them because those are masculine traits and wanting to fuck them is gay. Or something.

I dunno, there's something fishy about the way the sexes are presented in these games that I can't quite put my finger on. I'm not trying to look at it from some marxist feminist critique lense here, I'm looking to get my rocks off. But in games where there's every variety of futa, furry, and some stuff I don't even know what to label, why does every Dom want to mind break the protagonist? Why does every sub want to go full extreme, "I want to be fucked in public while everyone is watching"? These games feel... I dunno, gender/sex essentiallist? There's no "Dom who will make you beg, then give you cuddles after sex" kind of thing, like what real people do. Like they don't get that a fundamental part of both gender and sexuality is roleplay. We play a part, either because of societal pressure, or because it's a release. And when we aren't in a situation that we either need or want them, we put on a different role. But with characters in both these games, their sexuality is their personality. There is no contrast between the person they are in public, the person they present themselves as, and the person they are in bed. The contrast between public and private personalities is a standard part of characterization, and (from my understanding) a big draw of things like BDSM and sub/dom stuff. As far as I'm aware, the "woman in a high stress position of power is a massive sub" is a bit of a cliche, and these hacks can't even do that. I know it's supposed to be some hyper sexualized society or something... but there's degrees of sexuality. Like the great Pratchett (GNU) once said: "erotic, not kinky. The difference between using a feather and using a whole chicken."

 

[Kuroimi95]

There is no contrast between the person they are in public, the person they present themselves as, and the person they are in bed.

Thank you, now I know what I really felt was missing in those games

I always felt "something" was missing from CoC2 and TiTS characters, and, to be fair, most characters in porn games in general, to think that it was something so simple yet so important, especially for character depth and development

 

[smithsmithsmith]

But in games where there's every variety of futa, furry, and some stuff I don't even know what to label, why does every Dom want to mind break the protagonist? Why does every sub want to go full extreme, "I want to be fucked in public while everyone is watching"? These games feel... I dunno, gender/sex essentiallist?

I feel like you've spent too long in spaces like this and as such you've forgotten how weird this is to most people. Just being a furry porn game already puts it in pretty extreme territory for the general public, it stands to reason that most of the content edges more towards kink than vanilla. When it comes to a lack of aftercare, it's mostly because this is fantasy and it tends to fall flat if there hasn't been a ton of build up to establish this as being important for the characters involved, most simply aren't that developed. As for why there's often multiple characters with very similar themes, they tend to write what they enjoy and what the audience is already there for.

Also obligatory point about how regardless of confirmation bias futa are still not the majority or even close in CoC2 (I'd hesitantly say the same for TiTS but there's way too many NPCs for me to actually go and count even if the wiki wasn't completely out of date).

 

[Wrynn13]

are we reading the same thread? as long as savin is in control, people will complain regardless of it being warranted

As long as Savin is in charge complaints will be warranted. That's part of the problem.

 

[Kuroimi95]

Also obligatory point about how regardless of confirmation bias futa are still not the majority or even close in CoC2 (I'd hesitantly say the same for TiTS but there's way too many NPCs for me to actually go and count even if the wiki wasn't completely out of date).

I actually counted how many males/females/futanari there are according to wiki, it's not perfect since wiki is somewhat outdated but not really and we're around 60 males, 120 females, 40 futanaris
I only counted sexable characters and I also counted dickgirls as futanaris, since most people consider boobs+dick=futa
Even if I didn't count correctly or if there's missing characters, there's definitely more females than futanaris
Maybe futanaris are more memorable? I dunno

 

[Basty96]

Maybe futanaris are more memorable? I dunno

the problem is Futas are getting more content than the other two and the game also shoves them into your face where as for male and female NPCs you have to hunt them down

 

[M0nte]

I actually counted how many males/females/futanari there are according to wiki, it's not perfect since wiki is somewhat outdated but not really and we're around 60 males, 120 females, 40 futanaris
I only counted sexable characters and I also counted dickgirls as futanaris, since most people consider boobs+dick=futa
Even if I didn't count correctly or if there's missing characters, there's definitely more females than futanaris
Maybe futanaris are more memorable? I dunno

People that complain about to much of something are usually the ones that get to much of something they like. So when that stream of content is broken up for whatever reason, they groan -- be they in the right or not.

 

[glygoch]

People that complain about to much of something are usually the ones that get to much of something they like. So when that stream of content is broken up for whatever reason, they groan -- be they in the right or not.

Don't underestimate the human intuition. People naturally feel when problems appear. They do however, suck at identifying where said problems lie, much less how to fix them.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I actually counted how many males/females/futanari there are according to wiki, it's not perfect since wiki is somewhat outdated but not really and we're around 60 males, 120 females, 40 futanaris
I only counted sexable characters and I also counted dickgirls as futanaris, since most people consider boobs+dick=futa
Even if I didn't count correctly or if there's missing characters, there's definitely more females than futanaris
Maybe futanaris are more memorable? I dunno

The problem is not pure numbers of futas. The problem is that futas get much more content written for them, while females and males remain contentless cardboard cutouts.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

People that complain about to much of something are usually the ones that get to much of something they like. So when that stream of content is broken up for whatever reason, they groan -- be they in the right or not.

That's just flat out wrong. And pretentious as fuck. Lol.
When you have too much chocolate, your stomach starts aching and you want to vomit, so you stop eating it. You don't keep stuffing yourself with more chocolate until you fucking die from chocolate overdose.
That's how having too much of something works.

 

[Quintilus]

Maybe futanaris are more memorable? I dunno

Futas much easier to encounter than female and futas showed into the main plot more frequent than females.