Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[liinh]

so i have something controversial to admit: i kinda like quin. or i guess i like the IDEA of quin. first of all design wise he's kinda what i was talking about in earlier posts that we need more of: dudes with normal body types. he's not super muscled, but he's not full on fem-twink either.

i wish he had more consistent characterization. why after telling you he can't bang bc it would make him look suspicious is he suddenly talking about wanting to fuck everyone? make it make sense. i think it would be interesting if quin focused more on pc interaction then just being a horny dude sitting around the bar talking about how sexy he finds the party or whatever.

let pc learn more about him, his past etc, make you actually learn about him before diving right into sex. i think that would help make him feel less like "dude that shows up to bang your various girlfriends" if he was purposefully keeping AWAY from sex for the time being because he's afraid it will make him look suspicious due to being a former sex cultist. drop the arrogant attitude, or have him be the trope of "arrogant guy is learning to tone it down/is embarrassed he used to be that arrogant". like if anyone here has watched or played tales of the abyss, kinda what luke goes through characterization wise. used to be an arrogant jackass but is trying to reform a bit after pulling his head out of his ass.

i think this would also help differentiate him a bit because so this is a porn game obviously. heres a character who you actually have to talk with and build relationship with before you can get into anything sexual.

i understand honestly most people probably wouldn't be interested in this because quin is pretty disliked but i just wanted to muse a bit about a character i think is quite honestly wasted potential. it's like he could be what a lot of people are looking for (more male content for the game, in between body type, one of the only male companions) but the way he's characterized and written is so mishandled and he's just botched at this point.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

so i have something controversial to admit: i kinda like quin.

Heresy!... no do go on, I also do not hate the bunny.

i wish he had more consistent characterization. why after telling you he can't bang bc it would make him look suspicious is he suddenly talking about wanting to fuck everyone? make it make sense. i think it would be interesting if quin focused more on pc interaction then just being a horny dude sitting around the bar talking about how sexy he finds the party or whatever.

let pc learn more about him, his past etc, make you actually learn about him before diving right into sex. i think that would help make him feel less like "dude that shows up to bang your various girlfriends" if he was purposefully keeping AWAY from sex for the time being because he's afraid it will make him look suspicious due to being a former sex cultist. drop the arrogant attitude, or have him be the trope of "arrogant guy is learning to tone it down/is embarrassed he used to be that arrogant". like if anyone here has watched or played tales of the abyss, kinda what luke goes through characterization wise. used to be an arrogant jackass but is trying to reform a bit after pulling his head out of his ass.

100% with you on this. Especially as there are other (female) characters who have warming up periods before they will bang. Zo for instance.
It makes a lot of sense to play him either as outwardly flirty and (fake) macho, but inwardly have him be on edge the whole time because he thinks that perhaps the cults taint and corruption is still in him, and giving in to his lusts could push him over the edge.
Or, as you say, have it be a period of learning for him, like you could have several "dates" with Quinn where you're helping him by taking him down a peg or three. Maybe you wingman for him/are his probations officer until he's able to keep himself in check.

But the main point I wish to highlight, is that you've also raised the issue of consistency. Quin's character feels like more of a nothing than it really is, because he's got contradictory scenes. Is he a man's man who can't look at a woman without eye banging them, or is he a self-torturing little flower who must suffer for his sins?

 

[Tau_Iota]

so i have something controversial to admit: i kinda like quin. or i guess i like the IDEA of quin. first of all design wise he's kinda what i was talking about in earlier posts that we need more of: dudes with normal body types. he's not super muscled, but he's not full on fem-twink either.

i wish he had more consistent characterization. why after telling you he can't bang bc it would make him look suspicious is he suddenly talking about wanting to fuck everyone? make it make sense. i think it would be interesting if quin focused more on pc interaction then just being a horny dude sitting around the bar talking about how sexy he finds the party or whatever.

let pc learn more about him, his past etc, make you actually learn about him before diving right into sex. i think that would help make him feel less like "dude that shows up to bang your various girlfriends" if he was purposefully keeping AWAY from sex for the time being because he's afraid it will make him look suspicious due to being a former sex cultist. drop the arrogant attitude, or have him be the trope of "arrogant guy is learning to tone it down/is embarrassed he used to be that arrogant". like if anyone here has watched or played tales of the abyss, kinda what luke goes through characterization wise. used to be an arrogant jackass but is trying to reform a bit after pulling his head out of his ass.

i think this would also help differentiate him a bit because so this is a porn game obviously. heres a character who you actually have to talk with and build relationship with before you can get into anything sexual.

i understand honestly most people probably wouldn't be interested in this because quin is pretty disliked but i just wanted to muse a bit about a character i think is quite honestly wasted potential. it's like he could be what a lot of people are looking for (more male content for the game, in between body type, one of the only male companions) but the way he's characterized and written is so mishandled and he's just botched at this point.

That about sums it up. Wasted potential on what could have been really interesting, given he was a part of the cult. Could have even had two paths for him, like X event happens and you have choices Y and Z. Y turns him against you, and acts as a foil to Cait where he provides corruption as opposed to removing it. He slowly dominates you and your party until yes you are the Champ, but he's the leader of the party. This is unbeknownst to the Champ until it's a bit too late, but made clear to the player before even choosing. Choice Z fully realizes his potential as a male companion, he feels indebted to you and will do anything to help. Realizes that talking about wanting to bang everyone you're banging is... awkward and dedicates himself moreso on their combat when you ask about them. He becomes more focused on destroying the cult, and if you'll have him even a monogamous lover. As there is no monogamous male you can have (while there's minimum Brienne and Kiyoko), he would be a husband. It wouldn't dramatically change the character, as you earned his love via X event when the smarter option would have been doing Y but you did Z.

Obviously on the Choice Y path he would bang your party, so you don't have to upset people who want that content.

 

[Bloep]

You would all be a lot happier if you just skipped almost all the non porn scenes in the game.
That's what i do. Ignorance is bliss i say.

 

[muschi26]

You would all be a lot happier if you just skipped almost all the non porn scenes in the game.
That's what i do. Ignorance is bliss i say.

I just skip all the scenes.

 

[CaffeinatedPersone]

You would all be a lot happier if you just skipped almost all the non porn scenes in the game.
That's what i do. Ignorance is bliss i say.

That’s all fun and good until you reach kitsune content and accidentally read it

 

[muschi26]

That’s all fun and good until you reach kitsune content and accidentally read it

IMO the Miko+Kiyoko and Rindo+Kiyoko double preg scenes are some of the hottest scenes.

…until you realize you've only scrolled about halfway down the page.

 

[Daken9]

Aileh had zero family content on release. Nothing suggesting it or pointing towards it. For a long time, she was just a demon you could bang that hung out in the Wayfort. "Wholesome family content" got added in Mayternity. Out of the blue, for no reason at all.

But noone's complaining out that despite being "out of the blue".
Brint->Brienne was also out of the blue, no prior setup. No complaints.
I would say that that's not really the issue people have.

Because people enjoy that stuff? Because virginal demon into baby momma runs the same rails in a way that baby momma into stockade does not? Because Brienne into Brint was a move that played to the audience, while also not affecting Brint as a character in any way so false dichotomy btw, while Atugia into Arona and Brint's fucktoy was not and did? Like, what.

Then your issue isn't actually with the characters portrayal here. This isn't an inconsistency with how the characters act in-universe, it's about what content you like.

Which is fine, but there's a big difference between "these characters have inconsistent portrayals" and "I don't like the portrayals of these characters personally".

My issue is that i enjoy arguing in good faith and don't like repeating the same thing fifty times over, until the other person gets it or quits pretending not to. And since i can't imagine we're still in former territory, let's just say i disagree with the idea that the nature of a setting should override individual characterization at the drop of a dime and leave it at that.

 

[liinh]

Choice Z fully realizes his potential as a male companion, he feels indebted to you and will do anything to help. Realizes that talking about wanting to bang everyone you're banging is... awkward and dedicates himself moreso on their combat when you ask about them. He becomes more focused on destroying the cult, and if you'll have him even a monogamous lover. As there is no monogamous male you can have (while there's minimum Brienne and Kiyoko), he would be a husband.

i would love to see quin as a monogamous husband type. maybe this is because we just don't have anything like this in the game so far but yeah. i touched on his dialogue for a character having his kid before in another post(i might go screenshot it later) but it was surprisingly sweet and i would like to see more of that quin.

 

[Doran]

Aileh had zero family content on release. Nothing suggesting it or pointing towards it. For a long time, she was just a demon you could bang that hung out in the Wayfort.

Aileh is not a demon.

"Wholesome family content" got added in Mayternity. Out of the blue, for no reason at all.

Her wholesome content is actually locked behind a quest and a favorability system. So, there is buildup to romance and her wholesome content. Also...

But noone's complaining out that despite being "out of the blue".
Brint->Brienne was also out of the blue, no prior setup. No complaints.
I would say that that's not really the issue people have.

Brint to Brienne involves clicking yes to having Brint put on an object described as ominous, and then not seeking help for Brint, over the course of several in-game days, by going to Sanders like both the quest and in-game prompt tells you to do, to solve the issue. How on God's green earth is that "out of the blue"?

However much she "falls", for your character, it doesn't change the fact that characters in this universe, casual sex with ,ultiple people happens a lot. Her having sex with other people isn't ooc unless its been established that she won't have sex with other people (and, slight spoiler,

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Atugia having existed for several centuries without losing either her first kiss or her virginity while simultaneously having given

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and deciding to give Arona oral out of the blue without any sort of buildup or splurge about her blossoming sexuality is just Gardeford showing his complete inability to write a consistent character. Having a character go from virgin to instigator of sexual relations without any sort of character growth in-between is bizarre, and the idea that Atugia has never kissed any lips but has kissed

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is even more so.

 

[Skandranon]

Because people enjoy that stuff? Because virginal demon into baby momma runs the same rails in a way that baby momma into stockade does not?

Again, we're back to simple "different people like different stuff." This is exactly what I said. The problem was never that it was "out of the blue", it's a issue of personal preference.

Because Brienne into Brint was a move that played to the audience, while also not affecting Brint as a character in any way so false dichotomy btw, while Atugia into Arona and Brint's fucktoy was not and did? Like, what.

It definitely affected Brints character. It affects the amount of content he's going to be getting (whether you think it's positively or negatively), it probably affected his future storylines due to them roughly following Brienne's.

My issue is that i enjoy arguing in good faith and don't like repeating the same thing fifty times over, until the other person gets it or quits pretending not to. And since i can't imagine we're still in former territory, let's just say i disagree with the idea that the nature of a setting should override individual characterization at the drop of a dime and leave it at that.

Eh, that seems like kind of a mean jab if you just wanted to drop it, but fine. Agree to disagree.

 

[Biostar]

The moment I found out I couldn't fuck Quin's butt is when I lost all interest in him.

You would all be a lot happier if you just skipped almost all the non porn scenes in the game.
That's what i do. Ignorance is bliss i say.

Eh, I can't waifu someone with nothing but sex.

 

[Skandranon]

Aileh is not a demon.

Yeah, fair.

Her wholesome content is actually locked behind a quest and a favorability system. So, there is buildup to romance and her wholesome content. Also...

Brint to Brienne involves clicking yes to having Brint put on an object described as ominous, and then not seeking help for Brint, over the course of several in-game days, by going to Sanders like both the quest and in-game prompt tells you to do, to solve the issue. How on God's green earth is that "out of the blue"?

Youre misunderstanding what I'm talking about.

Out of the blue in the development of the character, not in game.

As in, Aileh wasn't introduced as having family content, or had anything to do with it. She was just new character to bang in the Wayfort, and then the other stuff got added to her character significantly later.

Same with Brint. Brienne was a later addition that was a change in direction for Brint.

 

[helllover]

It's kind of similar issues that I have had with TITS as well, aside from not messing with each others content, The writers for this game seem to almost absolutely refuse to work with each other and always like to half-ass work by ignoring things that already exist in the game.

A rather huge example of this is how when writing content for TITS and COC2, they almost always ignore the races that don't tickle their fancy, making the scenes ignore the MC's and their descriptions since they really couldn't bother to add couple of lines and coding to their writing.

Also the issue that far too many of the writers fall in love with their own work and so demote the PC and the players for their characters.

 

[muschi26]

As in, Aileh wasn't introduced as having family content, or had anything to do with it. She was just new character to bang in the Wayfort, and then the other stuff got added to her character significantly later.

To play devil's advocate: I think that, considering the precedent set by other characters in the game, pregnancy content is to be expected out of most NPCs, even if they aren't introduced with a special focus on breeding.

 

[helllover]

When one of the writers want to do Arona and Brienne content, the writer for Brienne got super huffy and now there will be no content with the two of them, and so mostly these characters don't really exist with each other aside from a potential snark dialogue.

 

[Skandranon]

To play devil's advocate: I think that, considering the precedent set by other characters in the game, pregnancy content is to be expected out of most NPCs, even if they aren't introduced with a special focus on breeding.

It's more the romance and family content than the pregnancy content I'm referring to.

There's plenty of pregnancy content, not as much romantic family raising sim content.

 

[Doran]

Youre misunderstanding what I'm talking about.

Out of the blue in the development of the character, not in game.

As in, Aileh wasn't introduced as having family content, or had anything to do with it. She was just new character to bang in the Wayfort, and then the other stuff got added to her character significantly later.

Same with Brint. Brienne was a later addition that was a change in direction for Brint.

It is not really out of the blue in the development of the character for you to romance them and have a kid. It is really fast in this game, as it is in most porn games, but still there was character development into new content. It is rather weird to say any sort of new content, even if there is character development along with it, is out of the blue. The reason the Daken9 says Aileh being "everyone's fuckbag" is out of the blue is because he believes it to be inconsistent with prior characterization. Whether or not you agree with Daken9, Aileh is given character growth into her wholesome content which makes it incorrect to claim it is out of the blue.

When one of the writers want to do Arona and Brienne content, the writer for Brienne got super huffy and now there will be no content with the two of them, and so mostly these characters don't really exist with each other aside from a potential snark dialogue.

Are you talking about a writer wanting to do sexual content or just SFW interactions? Given how Arona's threesomes mostly defaulting her to dominantly using her dick on the other NPC, I can see why Wsan would be cautious of others writing that.

 

[Meblue]

I have no problem with characters being polyamorous, hell I wouldn't even mind if Brienne was polyamorous. The problem only arises when the game gives the player no choice but to engage with the content (or they do have a choice but said choices either suck or are irrelevant) or makes the PC feel like third wheel when they do engage.

Ironically it's why people hate Cait, cause although you're given a massive disclaimer on what the character is about, and are given the option to say no, the player is still forced or at least heavily pushed towards her character. She's constantly shoved in your face and there is no option to tell her to fuck off.

Azzyran and Liaden refuse to involve the player in their relationship, especially if the PC is male, which sucks and renders that particular slice of content worthless to me. On its own its something worth being annoyed at but not outright pissed about (Keywords: "on it's own"). The inability for PC participation is bad enough, but then Azzyran just won't fucking shut up about Liaden. She'll tell you how Liaden means the entire world to her, and then she'll turn to and be like "oh, your still here? your fine too I guess" which is, as you could imagine, a tad fucking insulting. And then there's the Dawnsword quest, which makes Azzyran the most punchable companion in the entire game, second to Quin of course. Azzyran being poly isn't inherently a bad thing, and I'm willing to overlook content that doesn't involve the PC if it's optional to engage, but sacrificing the player for the sake of uplifting a character that exists solely to fuck your girlfriend is going to piss people off, regardless of how polyamorous they are. Combining all three is just asking for a disaster.

As for Atugia, she has incredibly inconsistent writing, and is generally Schizophrenic in all her depictions, but as far as i'm concerned, all of her threesome/NPCxNPC scenes are optional, and she doesn't go on a tirade about how much better Arona's dick is than yours every passing hour of the day. Until the writer finally gets a grip on how to write this character, she's neutral to below average in my books.

 

[muschi26]

Also: yuck, pregnancy is gross. I don't think that the majority of NPCs have preg content and I can't say I really want them to.

I don't know if it's a majority, but it's at least a sizeable minority. Also, wasn't pregnancy the second most popular fetish in the polls? I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's the main reason I play this game, and I don't seem to be the only one in this situation.