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I am entertained....and confused....and kinda lost....
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- May 11, 2017
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To me it sort of felt like Sin and I were parents arguing in front of the kids for a minute. It was a little bit embarrassing. The truth is he and I may not always agree, and that is normal and healthy. We do have a solid base of operations, and stress from all the hard work we both put in can add up over time, but we both care a lot about the game. The game is not going to come crashing down. We had a little bit of a soap opera moment. We are both mature adults and are not going to start throwing chairs at each other like it's Jerry Springer. I think sin was under the misconception that I looked at him as a lacky or something because of what someone sent him in a private message, but that's not the case, and never has been.
- May 11, 2017
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Occasionally I'll search for the game on youtube for fun. Lets see what I found today.
This dude made a top 5 female protagonists video and put us at #3.
2 minute clip poor guy only had 2 views
Like 20 minutes of play
another one
Dude played through quick as hell, that's gotta be a record also skipped all adult content somehow.
That's like 3 or 4 more videos than last I checked.
This dude made a top 5 female protagonists video and put us at #3.
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2 minute clip poor guy only had 2 views
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Like 20 minutes of play
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another one
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Dude played through quick as hell, that's gotta be a record also skipped all adult content somehow.
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That's like 3 or 4 more videos than last I checked.
- Jul 22, 2017
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I'll take lesbian sex any day over dog sex that's for sure. Bestiality? No thanks, not cool.
- May 11, 2017
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Sin will probably get the remaining renders done sometimes within 4-7 days, and I'll get a copy of them to write and code for. As I'm coding and writing those in Sin will be photoshopping them. We are probably going to add at least 1 more animation. The first half of this release is already completely written and coded rendered and animated (8 lesbian animations from kissing to hardcore), but could still use some photoshop.
So, we got some images left to photoshop. 1 more animation, and another week or so worth of renders. So release is not that far off most likely at some point in March for Patreon supporters assuming we have no major setbacks if it's not leaked in a week or 2 we will release it here ourselves.
So, we got some images left to photoshop. 1 more animation, and another week or so worth of renders. So release is not that far off most likely at some point in March for Patreon supporters assuming we have no major setbacks if it's not leaked in a week or 2 we will release it here ourselves.
- May 11, 2017
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I have been doing a lot of thinking, and I dropped sin a note explaining my opinion on something, and I am going to share some information with our fans. And we talked about it and came up with a great idea.
Our game has had great praise in many areas, and we have had some financial support as well. For all of that support we are grateful. However, there has been a pattern that I have noticed.
The main criticism of our game does not stem from the writing, or renders, or code. We have had 1 solid criticism this entire time.
Our primary and overwhelming criticism is: "You do not have a male protagonist."
Since our initial release in December 25th not a single game newer than ours has climbed the patreon ladder faster than us with a female protagonist to my knowledge. We would need to roll the clock back all the way to the release of Lust Campus's in Mid October with it's beautifully drawn 2d images, and rich story to get the last female protagonist game that is out pacing us.
On the other hand quite a few games, many of which are smaller in scope have passed us with a male protagonist. The most recent one to do this had under 200 renders, and 0 animations. They made it past the $200 mark on day 1. We have about 8 times as many renders, and 30 animations. We are hovering around $100 after 3 months.
I go to the featured games list, and look it over. I seek out featured female games to see maybe where we have gone wrong, and could improve. I notice a pattern. 69 of the 70 games that have been on the featured game list have male protagonist. I raised a little stink in the thread, and nominated 4 female protagonist games not including Damaged Goods. I wish those games luck.
Then I go on graphtron, and I study the top developers. Very few of them have a female protagonist. I gave up looking for a 3rd one on top 100 list. I couldn't find one but there may be on. It's clear to us that Male protagonists get more money backing now.
Don't get me wrong. Sin, and I do love making Damaged Goods, and we continue making Damaged Goods. We will see this game out to completion. It is a true passion of ours.
What we have decided to do is to try our hand in the male protagonist genre. I have already written up a loose outline of our demo, and we collecting assets and organizing while sin continues to make renders for our next Damaged Goods update.
Our next Damaged Goods update will include 9 Animations. It has steaming hot lesbian sex scene. We are trying our hardest to make it the best we can.
The time between right this minute, and our release of the male protagonist demo we are going to take very careful notice of our patreon support.
Our demo for the male protagonist game will be smaller than our next release of Damaged Goods, and certainly not as many animations and no hardcore sex yet, but you will get a good idea of the game we are going for.
If that demo sky rockets our patreon support significantly better than our Damaged Goods has been performing, well it will be gaining more of our development efforts. If the demo is a flop we will make a short game of it and go back Damaged Goods full time eventually.
However, if our demo a great hit then we will be focusing a good amount of effort on it, and making it a much more robust project.
What can I tell you about our upcoming Male Protagonist demo?
The game will likely be called "My Sweet Temptation"
You may have heard of a game that starts with "My Sweet" before, and that game is called "My Sweet Neighbors".
My Sweet Temptation will not be a clone of my sweet neighbors, but I have gotten some writing inspiration from that game.
If the demo is a hit then the game will eventually become like my sweet neighbors on steroids.
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What can I tell you about the game?
The game will include 3 main characters.
Male protagonist with many POV shots from his perspective.
The male lead will be 27 years old that just moved into a new apartment. The Male protagonist has no name. That if for the player to decide. The same is true of the 2 female leads.
Female love interest 1: 18 year old girl
Female love interest 2: the 18 year old girls milf 36 year old mother
There will be 4 main paths to the game:
1) Love 18 year old faithful
2) Love 36 year old faithful
3) Love 18 year old, but lust after and try to cheat with her mother without being caught
4) Love 36 year old, but lust after and try to cheat with her daughter without being caught
I am going to make this clear that this is not going to be a my sweet neighbors clone in spite of it being a source of inspiration for my writing.
The new game will not include NTR, nor will it be possible to harem it up. They both will want you all to them self and don't want to share you with the mother / daughter.
That is all of the information I will disclose about our new game for now.
Our work schedule for now is to wrap up the next update for Damaged Goods, and to go into immediate and full development of My Sweet Temptation. Then we are goign to take a look at our Patreon numbers for a few days and decide which of our 2 games gets the 3rd release in our release schedule. We may even have a quick patreon vote to see which game people want to see more of first. The game that loses that poll will most likely get the next release 4 updates from now.
Our game has had great praise in many areas, and we have had some financial support as well. For all of that support we are grateful. However, there has been a pattern that I have noticed.
The main criticism of our game does not stem from the writing, or renders, or code. We have had 1 solid criticism this entire time.
Our primary and overwhelming criticism is: "You do not have a male protagonist."
Since our initial release in December 25th not a single game newer than ours has climbed the patreon ladder faster than us with a female protagonist to my knowledge. We would need to roll the clock back all the way to the release of Lust Campus's in Mid October with it's beautifully drawn 2d images, and rich story to get the last female protagonist game that is out pacing us.
On the other hand quite a few games, many of which are smaller in scope have passed us with a male protagonist. The most recent one to do this had under 200 renders, and 0 animations. They made it past the $200 mark on day 1. We have about 8 times as many renders, and 30 animations. We are hovering around $100 after 3 months.
I go to the featured games list, and look it over. I seek out featured female games to see maybe where we have gone wrong, and could improve. I notice a pattern. 69 of the 70 games that have been on the featured game list have male protagonist. I raised a little stink in the thread, and nominated 4 female protagonist games not including Damaged Goods. I wish those games luck.
Then I go on graphtron, and I study the top developers. Very few of them have a female protagonist. I gave up looking for a 3rd one on top 100 list. I couldn't find one but there may be on. It's clear to us that Male protagonists get more money backing now.
Don't get me wrong. Sin, and I do love making Damaged Goods, and we continue making Damaged Goods. We will see this game out to completion. It is a true passion of ours.
What we have decided to do is to try our hand in the male protagonist genre. I have already written up a loose outline of our demo, and we collecting assets and organizing while sin continues to make renders for our next Damaged Goods update.
Our next Damaged Goods update will include 9 Animations. It has steaming hot lesbian sex scene. We are trying our hardest to make it the best we can.
The time between right this minute, and our release of the male protagonist demo we are going to take very careful notice of our patreon support.
Our demo for the male protagonist game will be smaller than our next release of Damaged Goods, and certainly not as many animations and no hardcore sex yet, but you will get a good idea of the game we are going for.
If that demo sky rockets our patreon support significantly better than our Damaged Goods has been performing, well it will be gaining more of our development efforts. If the demo is a flop we will make a short game of it and go back Damaged Goods full time eventually.
However, if our demo a great hit then we will be focusing a good amount of effort on it, and making it a much more robust project.
What can I tell you about our upcoming Male Protagonist demo?
The game will likely be called "My Sweet Temptation"
You may have heard of a game that starts with "My Sweet" before, and that game is called "My Sweet Neighbors".
My Sweet Temptation will not be a clone of my sweet neighbors, but I have gotten some writing inspiration from that game.
If the demo is a hit then the game will eventually become like my sweet neighbors on steroids.
####################################################
What can I tell you about the game?
The game will include 3 main characters.
Male protagonist with many POV shots from his perspective.
The male lead will be 27 years old that just moved into a new apartment. The Male protagonist has no name. That if for the player to decide. The same is true of the 2 female leads.
Female love interest 1: 18 year old girl
Female love interest 2: the 18 year old girls milf 36 year old mother
There will be 4 main paths to the game:
1) Love 18 year old faithful
2) Love 36 year old faithful
3) Love 18 year old, but lust after and try to cheat with her mother without being caught
4) Love 36 year old, but lust after and try to cheat with her daughter without being caught
I am going to make this clear that this is not going to be a my sweet neighbors clone in spite of it being a source of inspiration for my writing.
The new game will not include NTR, nor will it be possible to harem it up. They both will want you all to them self and don't want to share you with the mother / daughter.
That is all of the information I will disclose about our new game for now.
Our work schedule for now is to wrap up the next update for Damaged Goods, and to go into immediate and full development of My Sweet Temptation. Then we are goign to take a look at our Patreon numbers for a few days and decide which of our 2 games gets the 3rd release in our release schedule. We may even have a quick patreon vote to see which game people want to see more of first. The game that loses that poll will most likely get the next release 4 updates from now.
The game looks very good, Attractive female MC, good body proportions (thanks to the developers for not making huge boobs and asses) I can't say anything about the plot yet. The propaganda of vegetarianism and extremism in saving animals looks a little strange to me, but as I understand it, this will lead to some kind of morality in the future, in general, there are some unpleasant moments in the game, but otherwise the game is not bad at all.
I hope in the future the developers will add more MF content to the game, I do not mind lesbian sex but I am a little bored watching it.
P.S Sorry for my English.
I hope in the future the developers will add more MF content to the game, I do not mind lesbian sex but I am a little bored watching it.
P.S Sorry for my English.
- Sep 15, 2020
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First of all, I wish you every success with your new project. As someone who also likes to play games with female protagonists, I wonder why games with a female mc are not very popular. Isn't it interesting to look at a story from a different angle, e.g. at The Lost Chapters (purely lesbian and futa oriented)? In any case, I hope that Dameged Goods will not suffer from it or in the worst case will receive the banner Onhold or Abandoned. I wish you every success for the future and please write the stories that you want to tell and not those that others want to hear.
- May 11, 2017
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We are over $9,000 in the hole so far, and that grows at a rate of almost $1,000 each and every month. Our Patreon support is around 10% of our expenditures.
In the end we have been faced with 3 options here.
Option 1 Fold: Abandon ship and be gone like a fart in the wind. We don't like this option. We are not quitters. We enjoy game development.
Option 2 Hold: Continue to fully focus on Damaged Goods and hope for the best. We haven't had the needed growth so far. This is sort of like a "Lets wait and see" approach. Last update we added 8 hardcore sex animations and gained 2 reviews a 2 star and a 5 star, and went up just a little bit on patreon growth. That last update was a major flop for us and we are not sure why. We added an amazing sex scene it wasn't buggy and had some suspenseful stuff happen leaving it on a cliff hanger.
Option 3 Double Down: Realize that female protagonist games are at a significant disadvantage monetarily. Do what we can to expand our base by making a male protagonist game as well. We figured this was our best shot at saving Damaged Goods as it is shedding money at an alarming rate.
I have had more than one person say something to the effect of. "Your game was on my ignore list only because it had female protagonist."
Developing a female protagonist game = Hard Mode
Developing a male protagonist game = Easy Mode
The main consumers of adult games are men, and by a huge margin.
When it comes to anything sex related men are going to be bankrolling it much more than women on average. Of course obligatory "not all" I'm sure there is a woman or several women for that matter out there that spent thousands of dollars on porn. The proportion of men that support and play female protagonist games is much smaller too. A guy will spend money with his dick... Women don't tend to spend money with their pussy. Again not all.
You can't win over a person who said "I won't play / support that. It has female protagonist." It is a prejudice that there is no work around for.
When you see another dev launch a demo that has like 200 renders making twice what you are on day 1 than you are on day 60 when you have 4 digits of renders and dozens of animations. You can only see such a thing happen so many times and see that male protagonist collect all that money before you say "wait a minute, why handicap ourselves like this?" The glove are off now. We will be climbing that ladder without the handicap.
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- Jul 22, 2017
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That's sad to hear, I hope this won't end up abandoned/cancelled just because of the protagonist's gender.
I really don't get why so many people can't tolerate female protagonist. Is it that the majority of adult game players are 16 year old boys fantasizing about their own harem? I'm not sure..
The self-insert obsession is truly strong amongst many I'd guess.
I want to say don't give up yet, female protagonist games are slowly becoming more popular with the likes of Good girl gone bad, A wife and mother, Our red string, Uni, Lust campus etc. It is possible to build up good support over time, but it takes more patience than with male protagonist.
On the other hand I understand your position if you're suffering financially and will respect your decision to try a new game as well.
I just hope that game won't be the death of "Damaged Goods" eventually, if you get what I mean.
I really don't get why so many people can't tolerate female protagonist. Is it that the majority of adult game players are 16 year old boys fantasizing about their own harem? I'm not sure..
The self-insert obsession is truly strong amongst many I'd guess.
I want to say don't give up yet, female protagonist games are slowly becoming more popular with the likes of Good girl gone bad, A wife and mother, Our red string, Uni, Lust campus etc. It is possible to build up good support over time, but it takes more patience than with male protagonist.
On the other hand I understand your position if you're suffering financially and will respect your decision to try a new game as well.
I just hope that game won't be the death of "Damaged Goods" eventually, if you get what I mean.
- May 11, 2017
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Damaged Goods isn't dying, she is just not an only child anymore, and is getting a little brother.
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My Sweet Temptation will be a companion piece to Damaged Goods.
By this I mean the Male Protagonist will be a fictional game developer with a bit of self insertion as well. DG will exist in the MST universe as a game that is his project.
It will have some stylistic differences. For instance more of a 1st person focus, and less of a 3rd person focus.
We are going to avoid any sort of "Magic / fantasy" elements as well. No dream telepaths, coomer-19, or demons / angels.
By this I mean the Male Protagonist will be a fictional game developer with a bit of self insertion as well. DG will exist in the MST universe as a game that is his project.
It will have some stylistic differences. For instance more of a 1st person focus, and less of a 3rd person focus.
We are going to avoid any sort of "Magic / fantasy" elements as well. No dream telepaths, coomer-19, or demons / angels.
- Dec 25, 2019
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Honestly If the main goal are money, I don't think switch to male protagonist will be a great idea. They are plenty male protagonists games and are all the same, boring shit(apart exceptions like Being A Dik). Instead there are gems with female as protagonist that are so much better, famous and successful. AWAM, GGGB, LC, ORS, Fashion Business, JOHN and more, are best examples. High Life too is another example of a great game with female protagonist. Last update of this game was almost 3 years ago and ppl still talking, hoping for another one. This is a prove that quality > quantity.
Game with an hot female as protagonist, well written story, renders, details > Every male games.
Game with an hot female as protagonist, well written story, renders, details > Every male games.
- May 11, 2017
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Money is just one goal as it is important for us to start breaking even and not dig the hole forever so we can focus more on our art. A big reason we are going to make My Sweet Temptation a male protagonist is to mix it up and have 1 of each. There is a good story there to tell. Some story lines fit better with a female protagonist, and some fit better with a male protagonist. It's better to not have a bunch of wasted ideas. There will be a connection between the stories of both games that will become apparent more so later on.
- Dec 25, 2019
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I think this is just a waste of time for the same, boring, useless shit game saw over and over that instead could be spent to work on this game but this is just my opinion
- May 11, 2017
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Wait until there is a release before passing good or bad judgment on the new game. I don't plan on writing a boring shit game. I know good female protagonist games are rare, and it sucks if the devs attention has to be split over a 2nd project if you love one of them.
Sin will probably have renders ready for me to code in tomorrow. Then we can wrap up day 2 Part 2's release.
- Aug 5, 2016
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This was started a few months ago and devs are planning to start a new game already because this one isn't making enough money. When you abandon or change projects so quickly, things don't look good.
It looks like you have no passion for your project, you want money fast and that's not the better approach to gain a fan base imo.
It looks like you have no passion for your project, you want money fast and that's not the better approach to gain a fan base imo.
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To say we have no passion is the furthest thing from the truth I have heard.
Project Start Time & Project Launch =/= same time from a developers perspective, but I can see how it is for a player. Sin & I first met on April 8th 2020 in this thread. Plans of development began that day. Actual development started the following week, (and by today's standards for a couple of months much less efficiently) Sin wanted to make a Male protagonist game at the start, and I wanted to do a Female protagonist one. We talked about that issue for a couple of days off and on. I can be rather persuasive and got my way. I believe I said something along the lines of, "At a later date we can male protagonist game. For now lets try female"
From April 8th to December 25th all of our development may as well have been taking place in a hidden vault. That's 8.5 months of finding assets, building a gui, making outlines, writing story lines, rendering, coding, finding music, going back proofreading, adding new lines, deleting renders, photoshopping, saving some renders for later a million little things polishing everything up. Long story short, a significant amount work with 0 feedback and 0 dollars. Just two guys working together as a team wanting to make something great. Plus sometimes we don't always agree on every little thing, so we gotta make some compromises and learn to deal with each other in the best way. Remember, we are strangers that met on the internet then thrown into a huge project together and live halfway across the world. Sometimes we get mad at each other over dumb shit but we deal with that like adults.
Finally launch day comes. Not a bad launch, we are doing okay. All the way back at page one we got this gem:
"No male mc ???. Then ta ta bye bye"
That was far from the last time that sort of thing has been tossed our way. There is a major bias in favor of male protagonist games that in all fairness in spite of being aware of this bias I didn't think the bias was as big is it is when choosing to go the female protagonist route. Back in the day way early in development I did promise sin we would make a male protagonist game too.
I had considered writing Damaged Goods in a way similar to"Our Red String" as in you follow a male protagonist sometimes but you follow a woman protagonist other times. Although it's entirely possible for us to make it in such a way I think it may force some players to play as a protagonist against their choosing.
When it comes to our development style if there is one consistency that can be seen is that make things flexible and versatile. You want trans on off? You want walk through or not? Friend or enemy Natasha? spank the girls or not? yes or not to all sex acts? how do you want to handle the shower situation? Do you want the evening with Mark or Alice? and so on.
We have gotten a fair share of the Female protagonist fans. The problem is that is a much smaller group than male protagonist fans. Decisions may seem quick, but have been well thought out and for a long time. Even if we were making a million dollars right now we would still be making a 2nd game.
If fast money was our main concern we would be making a loli game. It's a much smaller market with much higher paydays, and much much less competition. We could steam roll that market and be making 2-3 grand per month in a few months easy.
Money is not unimportant to us. We both sacrifice noticeable luxuries and amenities in real life to be game developers, and have been doing so for almost a year now. About 10% of our monthly development costs are paid by supporters for which we are grateful. (Not account for 8.5 months of free work bringing us into the $9,000 spent on the game so far range)
We are choosing to go back to our roots, and fullfill that agreement long ago to make a Male protagonist game as well. There are different story lines, and possibilities for a male protagonist. It's better not to waste such ideas, and bring them to good use.
Sometimes it can also be a bit exhausting working on the same project all of the time. Being able to mix it up work on a 2nd one brings a bit more joy we are enthusiastic about having more options to work with, and focus back and forth on both projects.
Also, as a writer there is a lot of time where I just sit and wait for renders. If there are 2 stories to write then I can get back to work again faster. Sometimes I gotta wait a week or so with nothing to do and it gets boring.
We are fully aware we are taking on more responsibilities, but we can handle it.
I understand it may not look good for some people, and oh well. People can think what they want. Not gonna let a naysayer run the show. I love proving people wrong.
Would you look at a parent who is having 2nd child as a parent who is automatically going to neglect that first kid and not love it anymore? No, of course not. The same is true of game development.
The bottom line is Sin and I make the games for ourselves first, and our audience second. We were under the radar completely for almost 9 months not showing you guys anything much at all working for free that whole time. The games will be completed one way or another.
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So a quick sign of life from me
The renders are finally done and Yih can start writing the story tomorrow, so Part2 will be playable soon
Have a great day
XoXo
SinAppeal
The renders are finally done and Yih can start writing the story tomorrow, so Part2 will be playable soon
Have a great day
XoXo
SinAppeal
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Renders are all in my hand now I'm looking them over and they look great. I'm working on putting them in the code. Sin is going to be working on photoshopping them now polishing them up even better, also he has to do that last animation. We are getting much closer to release.