Q Who

Well-Known Member
Donor
May 16, 2017
1,718
1,791
Yeah. In both my prior and in your quoted scenario, we hit the "double standard". ONLY a male MC is allowed to have an exclusive harem. Since I only play as a voyeur, I can abide a wide variety of situations. But it seems the majority of players, by an even bigger proportion of patrons/donors, absolutely insist that they can only immerse themselves in an all-conquering male MC.
This is a bizarre situation. In most VNs, certainly DMD, I'd argue the two important ingredients are the renders and the babes. Players with a vivid imagination can make up their own "story", which usually appeals to them far more than whatever the game story is supposed to be.
I hope the future of VNs lies in more variety for MCs rather than sad-sack males somehow conjuring up an exclusive harem. Imagine if , in DMD, we could ditch the MC and see the adventures of a stunning trio : D ; Elena ; and Jennifer...
IDK I prefer a better story, and can live with less well done renders(I consider renders and babes the same thing). So long as they are not horrible, just pretty good, but the dialog and story is good, I am more entertained. When I feel the the renders are more important, I don't even play the game and just look at the CGs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Noneless

Walt Dee

Well-Known Member
Apr 4, 2017
1,008
760
i like elena more then sasha (my daughter) though :':)test3:
I'll be honest: My interest is in D much more than Elena, because the taboo nature of corrupting and then fucking your "virtual" daughter interests me much more than fucking a young slut who throws herself at you (the MC) constantly provides no challenge, not to mention fucking your virgin daughter is more interesting than fucking a slut who spreads her legs at any opportunity. any day.
 
  • Like
Reactions: John Doe Jr.

Q Who

Well-Known Member
Donor
May 16, 2017
1,718
1,791
Babes are far more important than the nominal story. By just sketching in their personalities, a babe can easily evoke memories in a particular player of a similar IRL babe. Elena fits this category better than anyone else in DMD. Despite her apparent lack of stunning good looks, many players think Elena is the top babe in DMD (I'm sure I'd like her more except for some IRL bitter memories of "wild child" types).
The actual DMD story is utter nonsense with implausible event piled upon implausible event. If the renders and graphic babes were just text, this "story" would be laughable. As is, players can be mesmerized enough to overlook the literary shortcomings.
This is partly due to(Elena top babe) to the shallowness of every other character except the D, and she is mentally challenged practically. You kind of just illustrated my point. Georgina is hotter but no depth at all, the D is more attractive but dumber than dirt. Elena is hotter because she is a bit of a freak and does wacky stuff. Says and thinks weird thing, so, even though she is not attractive, she is more interesting than any character I can think of. This is why I stopped playing the game. The renders are good, but the D is stupid, the MC is a terrible F and besides being so stupid, it goes on and on and on. So if it was just based on renders I would still play, but I couldn't take the story(grooming) anymore.

I think I get what you mean by babe more. You don't mean the render as much as the character of the babe. Hence, story.
 
  • Like
Reactions: virtuvoid

Reggiep

Newbie
Sep 5, 2018
16
5
Hi guys... quite new to this but quite old in years so bit of a tecno phobe... have a question, when i get to various scenes in the game, I get a black screen with just the dialogue at the bottom.... are these animated screens I'm missing out on... rather affecting the pleasure of the game.... Played Milfy city before and screens work ok there... please help... thanks
 

sfPanzer

New Member
Aug 23, 2018
7
4
This MC is the worst LOL. "I am such a great dad, her mother is a bitch, I just want to molest our daughter. What is her problem?" LOL
Why? For protecting her daughter too much?
Did you even play the game? If you have to ask why the mother is a bitch then you really should pay more attention ... or any for that matter.
To be fair to F, it wasn't his goal to seduce D at all and he's getting corrupted by the events as much as D is. Both know it's wrong and both have (or rather used to have before the last two episodes) a problem with advancing this kind of relationship between them.
However while he's going down the path he goes he's still a better human than mother since he actually properly cares for D and does everything to make her happy instead of forcing her to live a life she doesn't want just to get money and have an easy life himself like mother does. It's a cute romance with the added taboo of incest but that doesn't change the character of F, just the kind of their relationship. If it were a boy her age or slightly older but not related I don't think anybody would have a problem with F lol
 

armion82

Message Maven
Mar 28, 2017
12,277
16,865
Yeah. In both my prior and in your quoted scenario, we hit the "double standard". ONLY a male MC is allowed to have an exclusive harem. Since I only play as a voyeur, I can abide a wide variety of situations. But it seems the majority of players, by an even bigger proportion of patrons/donors, absolutely insist that they can only immerse themselves in an all-conquering male MC.
This is a bizarre situation. In most VNs, certainly DMD, I'd argue the two important ingredients are the renders and the babes. Players with a vivid imagination can make up their own "story", which usually appeals to them far more than whatever the game story is supposed to be.
I hope the future of VNs lies in more variety for MCs rather than sad-sack males somehow conjuring up an exclusive harem. Imagine if , in DMD, we could ditch the MC and see the adventures of a stunning trio : D ; Elena ; and Jennifer...
We already have some good VN with female as MC.
Sophia in A Wife and Mother and Jessica in Jessica O'Neil's Hard News.
First one is slow burn like DmD,second one more faster like PL.
 

armion82

Message Maven
Mar 28, 2017
12,277
16,865
Sure. What I meant is that Western VNs predominately adopt the male MC formula. Notice that many very popular games, such as DMD or BB or Dreams of Desire, are actually very similar. Great renders (the hardest ingredient!), variety of desirable babes, but a threadbare story at best.
This "formula" is the surest path to dev success. Note the male MC unbelievably ends up with a harem in all these games.
Perhaps in future this somewhat boring all-powerful male MC schtick may be changed. But I doubt this will happen at either Patreon or Patreon-style alternatives.
Well after Devil May Cry,Ninja Gaiden and God of War we get Bayonetta so the things can change.And it started with AWAM and JOHN:)Also Life with Mary can bring a new type of games-with only 1 LI.
 

Loopus

Newbie
Aug 15, 2017
63
107
Sure. What I meant is that Western VNs predominately adopt the male MC formula. Notice that many very popular games, such as DMD or BB or Dreams of Desire, are actually very similar. Great renders (the hardest ingredient!), variety of desirable babes, but a threadbare story at best.
This "formula" is the surest path to dev success. Note the male MC unbelievably ends up with a harem in all these games.
Perhaps in future this somewhat boring all-powerful male MC schtick may be changed. But I doubt this will happen at either Patreon or Patreon-style alternatives.
I doubt this will happen at all in the years to come. Remember we are talking about fap games, about slightly interactive CGI-Porn for nerds and everybody else with enough imagination to cum for a render. This genre is doomed to cater to the masses, bringing the most easiest and sought after route to release pressure. Given the Patreon success of some projects and the failure of others it is clear for every amateur developer to better bring the standard male-MC-harem-incest-taboo-route if they want to earn some money, because that's what the guys want.

Yes, we have some games with a more fleshed out and interesting story, we have some games with female MC's, and yes I'm sure there are guys out there who play these games only for their story and characters. But the 99% don't, they want hot renders and fast actions, clicking through the text to get to the next picture, missing every hint and idea of the game, leading them to this forum to ask for walkthroughs.

If you ask me, this will stay the standard, for everything else you would need a far broader audience.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JeefZ and virtuvoid

paul1257

Newbie
Jan 31, 2018
40
59
Hi guys... quite new to this but quite old in years so bit of a tecno phobe... have a question, when i get to various scenes in the game, I get a black screen with just the dialogue at the bottom.... are these animated screens I'm missing out on... rather affecting the pleasure of the game.... Played Milfy city before and screens work ok there... please help... thanks
Hi
had this issue when the game was still on patreon asked the question of mrDots and the reply was, you will need to switch on your sound first. hope that sorts out your black screen issue.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mrlenkin

Loopus

Newbie
Aug 15, 2017
63
107
I would celebrate the end of Patreon and the rise of a new site/system supporting artists, without stakeholder-driven bigot morality that forces real-life rules on comics and CGI!
 

Reggiep

Newbie
Sep 5, 2018
16
5
Hi
had this issue when the game was still on patreon asked the question of mrDots and the reply was, you will need to switch on your sound first. hope that sorts out your black screen issue.
Woop Woop.... cant wait to play the game tonight.... this fixed it... thanks a bunch....
 

SojuThree

Newbie
May 8, 2018
52
94
I think you dont understand what I really try to say (maybe bc my english is bad) all what to say is that I prefer if al the thing wirh the D was optional, like more freely-choice, I dont know if you understand what I mean. Like yeah D falling in love with MC but MC still keep it under control.
But then it wouldn't be a porn game. There are a lot of romantic VNs with optional sex content. You should check them out! But you're not going to get that out of a sex game meant to appeal to incest loving perverts.

Also, you should look up Genetic Sexual Attraction. It's a real condition that effects parents and children who have been separated from a young age.
 

RustyV

Conversation Conqueror
Game Developer
Dec 30, 2017
7,007
34,263
I doubt this will happen at all in the years to come. Remember we are talking about fap games, about slightly interactive CGI-Porn for nerds and everybody else with enough imagination to cum for a render. This genre is doomed to cater to the masses, bringing the most easiest and sought after route to release pressure. Given the Patreon success of some projects and the failure of others it is clear for every amateur developer to better bring the standard male-MC-harem-incest-taboo-route if they want to earn some money, because that's what the guys want.

Yes, we have some games with a more fleshed out and interesting story, we have some games with female MC's, and yes I'm sure there are guys out there who play these games only for their story and characters. But the 99% don't, they want hot renders and fast actions, clicking through the text to get to the next picture, missing every hint and idea of the game, leading them to this forum to ask for walkthroughs.

If you ask me, this will stay the standard, for everything else you would need a far broader audience.
Yes there is a formula that seems to work, but so what? Think of horror, or sci-fi monster movies. There is a standard formula to every plot: 1. the victims are trapped and are unable to call for help or the help will not arrive in time, 2. the monster/threat has an advantage over the victims, either stronger, smarter, or some other supernatural ability, 3. the victims have either inferior weapons or no weapons, 4. the victims (one or two usually) find a way to neutralize/escape the monster/threat, and 5. if successful grind out sequel after inane sequel.
From Plan 9 from Outer Space to Jaws how many fans watch these movies/shows and are unaware they are in fact watching the same basic plot over and over?
Your point is well founded and I do like to see new ideas tried but it is often too easy for a dev to consciously or unconsciously slip into a workable formula. It all comes down to the talent of the dev.
Knowing that players do click through the text allows mediocre devs to create a game for pure profit, not a good game but one that makes a quick buck. This is not all devs, some do try to create stories with fleshed out characters and a plot line that is interesting without porn.

Watch the Blink episode of Dr. Who to see how a formula plot line can become engrossing when crafted by a good writer.
 
3.80 star(s) 333 Votes