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While it is arguable that side NTR may have occurred, there will be no main character (or storyline) NTR. When D has sex F will both be aware of the impending new wang tapping his daughter and will have to have given at least tacit approval.

What will be an issue is how E will react. After letting D quasi-flirt with the guy outside the restaurant he confessed to being both a bit upset and turned on. I can see this as a fail safe to end D sharing. If you opt to let F agree tp let D have sex with another person there may be an after choice. D and F amy discuss the event (they do everything else, it's like incest parliament) the result may be an option "Yes do this again" or "No it was fun but this was a one time thing".
 
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And it's an interesting reference you offered, because D has been proactively initiating more frequently, it seems.

So, while I agree with your general prediction of how MC might first offer his agreement, my thought is that a specific situation with Martin - repeating the shared bathroom scene, for example - could spike her already heightened interest . . . and that's the same type of situation where she could give in to the moment, instead of holding back enough to wait for MC's approval. If MrDots agreed, which I realize is unlikely but would make this part of the story far more interesting in its dynamics going towards Chapter 4, IMHO.
D making out with Martin prior to discussing full on sex with F could actually become vehicle for the discussion to take place. D realizes this is more than a fleeting crush and wants more from Martin (perhaps while F and Elena watch as they have sex).
I don't see that happening but it would add a new dimension to the VN and demonstrate D's growing self-confidence and independent nature.
 
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While it is arguable that side NTR may have occurred, there will be no main character (or storyline) NTR. When D has sex F will both be aware of the impending new wang tapping his daughter and will have to have given at least tacit approval.

What will be an issue is how E will react. After letting D quasi-flirt with the guy outside the restaurant he confessed to being both a bit upset and turned on. I can see this as a fail safe to end D sharing. If you opt to let F agree tp let D have sex with another person there may be an after choice. D and F amy discuss the event (they do everything else, it's like incest parliament) the result may be an option "Yes do this again" or "No it was fun but this was a one time thing".
My new favorite term: “wang tapping.”
 
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Uh, how pleasant, it's NTR now. Quite a rotation K9, NTR, NTR, K9. Why not merge those two topics?! If little puppy watches F banging D, is the puppy being cucked? Can we know it? Maybe he likes watching his bitch being banged by some BWC? Oh dear, I hope I can sleep tonight and not permanently think about alpha dad, beta dog, alpha dog, beta dad. And what if D wants to marry the puppy and F will become the matress for their mating, is this NTR? Bloody hell ... :whistle: :eek: :ROFLMAO:
 

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Uh, how pleasant, it's NTR now. Quite a rotation K9, NTR, NTR, K9. Why not merge those two topics?! If little puppy watches F banging D, is the puppy being cucked? Can we know it? Maybe he likes watching his bitch being banged by some BWC? Oh dear, I hope I can sleep tonight and not permanently think about alpha dad, beta dog, alpha dog, beta dad. And what if D wants to marry the puppy and F will become the matress for their mating, is this NTR? Bloody hell ... :whistle: :eek: :ROFLMAO:
or just creating a game, having just one scene:
An older man, having a dick like an elephant, banging his underaged daughter, having massive tits, in her mouth deepthroating, while she is bondaged and bound on a wooden pale. From behind, she is taken by tentacles, while her mother licks her pussy - and a dog pounding the mother from behind in her ass. The mother is handcuffed and got needles in ber breasts and hot wax on her back. Daughters Boyfriend is being cucked and NTR'd as he is bound on a chair to watch this all. OH - of course daughter does not want this at all, so it's kind of a rape.

Did i forget something? (golden shower and bukkake are left out on purpose - some kinks are even too hard for jokes in order to not start vomitting - in my humble opinion)
 

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BTW: THIS IS GOING OFFTOPIC AS HELL - just saying
 

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Uh, how pleasant, it's NTR now. Quite a rotation K9, NTR, NTR, K9. Why not merge those two topics?! If little puppy watches F banging D, is the puppy being cucked? Can we know it? Maybe he likes watching his bitch being banged by some BWC? Oh dear, I hope I can sleep tonight and not permanently think about alpha dad, beta dog, alpha dog, beta dad. And what if D wants to marry the puppy and F will become the matress for their mating, is this NTR? Bloody hell ... :whistle: :eek: :ROFLMAO:
Help! We’ve gone off the rails. Here is some Nat King Cole to calm us down.
 
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Swinging, open marriage, threesomes does not a cuck make. In evolutionary terms that requires a pregnancy. In cultural terms, that requires an Alph and Beta male relationship. I know the text in dreams has been joking at that, but in the actual event with Martin or Ryan, F will still be the Alpha for F/D.

There are plenty (well at least a vocal few) who disagree, but the majority of the fans on Discore seem to agree after some polling.
I'm going off dialogue in game on why I am calling that path cuckolding. The dance dialogue and when D peeps on Martin are my big examples... 1. 'Your F hasn't taught you how to move like this' eyeroll... 2. Her being amazed at the size of his dick... When really it isn't different from F other then color ofc. And the dream... But that is not as strong as the other scenes imo.

Don't be surprised when D is squirting all over the place acting like she never had a big cock before..

And don't get me wrong, I think sharing D is hot... I just don't like cuckolding you get me?
 

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I'm going off dialogue in game on why I am calling that path cuckolding. The dance dialogue and when D peeps on Martin are my big examples... 1. 'Your F hasn't taught you how to move like this' eyeroll... 2. Her being amazed at the size of his dick... When really it isn't different from F other then color ofc. And the dream... But that is not as strong as the other scenes imo.

Don't be surprised when D is squirting all over the place acting like she never had a big cock before..

And don't get me wrong, I think sharing D is hot... I just don't like cuckolding you get me?
None of that is cuck. That is commentary on dancing skills and her being surprised by a dick, she knows MC's is huge she was surprised Martins dick was nearly his size.

MC's dick is bigger than Martins is, I think Jeff has said this part before. Jeff is one of the writers BTW.
 

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... Jeff is one of the writers BTW.
If i am right, then Jeff does the creative part, setting up the scenes.
HearszAM does the writing.
MrDots himself does the renderings and the coding.
At some parts they get additional help by others, but mainly it's those 3
(which does of course not mean that they take over other parts at some points)
 

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So how is the sharing with Martin (or any male) going to work? is it all or nothing, or can you chose if you want each scene? (not just watching, but whether it happens or not). Or maybe more global options?
 

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So how is the sharing with Martin (or any male) going to work? is it all or nothing, or can you chose if you want each scene? (not just watching, but whether it happens or not). Or maybe more global options?
not sure, but i assume each scene to be a choice of it's own basicially. But if you for example decided to share D with someone, you probably will not be able the next day to act as nothing happened and be back to normal.

Same as you had once a chance to get D + E together or not, but then you have to deal with that for the rest of the game
 

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The official NTR definition for the MDots universe is NTR requires a stealing away of someone. Mostly because it is in the Japanese word.:

Q: **__What is your definition of NTR?__**
```A: From Jeff Steel, the current attorney in the developing group, being told that they are not going to overpromise on these restrictions.
Netorare (寝取られ, most commonly abbreviated as NTR) comes from Notora. Notora is a Japanese term that literally translates to "taken away by sleeping with.”
Netorare is therefore being defined as: (1) the MC having a love/dating interest and (2) having another person steal that love/dating interest away via sex, sexual prowess, etc.
Thus defined, NTR would NOT include when the MC meets up with a love/dating interest that ALREADY has a different love/dating interest and the MC eventually steals her away. In fact, this would be Netori.
NTR also does not include situations of sharing, swapping, taking a break, having a hall pass, or having a threesome. NTR also does not include situation where the MC chooses not to progress with a love/dating interest and that person moves on in with life with another partner.```

There is our official line. We did have NTR when Brad stoke Rachel. I guess we also have Netori when F stole D from Frank. Maybe there is NTR with Frank vs D, but I see it as Frank lost interest in D by being strung along.

F has never NTRd D as cheating but not getting taken away is not NTR under our rules.
Yeah, if you've seen any of my prior posts over time here, I've defended the MrDots' universe definition of NTR and how/why you've sought to apply it. And it is proper for you to defend it.

Yet, NTR easily includes cheating / having a side-affair in the rest of the world - I can offer such references until the cow comes home. We both know the the literal translation does not tell the entire story of what it represents, e.g., it doesn't require getting stolen or being taken away. There are gradiations to the term's application.

I realize that consideration doesn't apply to how it's being mapped into this game. Nor to a majority of F95 or perhaps many of this game's fans otherwise.

However, the further we get into their timeline, the more dissonance I'm finding in its application vs my sensibilities for how we're using the term in this forum at times, so I decided to post my long-standing perspective in case others have other ways to look at the concept, too. And there you go: it wasn't meant to upset the apple cart so much as imply that we can still enjoy the game while looking at it from a different angle.
 
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If i am right, then Jeff does the creative part, setting up the scenes.
HearszAM does the writing.
MrDots himself does the renderings and the coding.
At some parts they get additional help by others, but mainly it's those 3
(which does of course not mean that they take over other parts at some points)
I think it’s like this - I do really well in broad strokes and arcs. I really have to work at writing scenes full of dialogue. I can do it, and have done some scenes, but I have to run the dialogue over and over in my head as if rehearsing a play. (My undergraduate is in theater.)

Hearsz does great in writing scenes full of dialogue and in the strokes and arcs. Imo, when you write and write, sometimes you get into patterns and need an outsider to throw out ideas to spark the next set of writing.

It’s like writing music. Without shaking things up, each song can start to sound alike. Bring in someone who will then bring in a couple of different instruments, or a new sound style, and then the music writing gets a kick in the pants, and youpretty off and running again.

Each session pretty much begins with Hearsz throwing down on a spreadsheet 5-10 of the 40 scenes we’ll do, for example. If I jump in then, I’ll throw down maybe 5+ scenes, and back and forth we’ll get 40 scene ideas down. (If I delay, such as weeks I’m in trial, 35 scene ideas will be down before I chime in).

Then the scenes get ideas posted for them, location renders suggested, and dialogue ideas placed. I might suggest scenes get reordered and explain why. When we start rehashing imo too many similar scenes (I.e., sex scenes that seem to similar, etc) I’ll push for a number of alternatives to freshen it up.

Once that whole process is set, I fade into the background and Hearsz writes, MDots codes and creates, and I wait except for throwing out tweaking ideas as they come to me over the last weeks before release.

i know from experience how hard it is to keep up the artistic writing process, so I provide a match for ideas and a touchstone for ideas that are chosen and developed. That’s what I do.
 
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Sorry guys, but I can't find the other days alter day 19 form CH2.
Do you mind to say to me, which CH2 is the final?
 
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