VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[baka]

New Kid, your logic is faulty, if this should be taken literally, it should only be father and daughter, and nobody else.
not sure how u can use that as argument and in the same time give the father opportunities to do what the fuck he wants.

initially the story was about corruption, bestiality and who knows what more, but money talks and pushed the dev to change.
so, even here, we can argue that the title initially was not to be taken literally, and that the story could go in any direction.
for me, this "push" made the game worse, if MrDots was to make this game into whatever he wanted, Im sure we would have a much better game with a more consistent Mc and hotter scenes and more variety. this "borefication" is your fault.

 

[fabulous007]

If we go by the first 3 chapters, D making her own decisions is not in the cards, either because his supporters have expressed they don't want that, or simply because that's not the story he's telling. Who knows maybe he'll change his ideas about that in chapter 4. I don't think that's very likely though.

Isn't she interested about Ryan or even, to some point, about Martin ? It doesn't seem to be specifically MC's wish, but her own interest. Of course she wouldn't do anything behind his back, but that's another thing.

 

[Trikus]

Agreed. Which is basically what I meant by saying "what mc wishes" instead of "what I wish". Meaning what mc wants is the same as what mrdots wants the character to be. I think he tries to tailor that to players' wishes but ultimately it's his vision, or his interpretation of what a player who enjoys that type of fantasy would want to do with D if they were the mc.

There is only so much freedom that we can have. It is still a narrative and MrDots is the one guiding the narrative. To make the game so every single possible direction a story can go would be a massive undertaking. You can even complain that there was no option for F to not want to see his daughter right at the start of the game once you open that can of worms.

If we go by the first 3 chapters, D making her own decisions is not in the cards, either because his supporters have expressed they don't want that, or simply because that's not the story he's telling. Who knows maybe he'll change his ideas about that in chapter 4. I don't think that's very likely though.

Except D is already making her own decisions. We the player have been given direct control over her decisions at various points in the story, just on a smaller level than MC. The relationship with Elena was D's choice. The MC had absolutely no input in that decision. Some of D's choices in the game have actually been born out of things the MC didn't intend. She only got the idea of modelling after Richard mentioned it and her photo won a competition. Starting on the path to being a model was her decision and MC supported her in that though he made sure it was done safely. The MC has never once suggested she become a lifeguard but D has expressed an interest in pursuing that thanks to Olivia. That will probably be dropped going forward when she becomes a famous model though, but that was her decision to at least start.

 

[conscientious objector]

DMD had already taken off before Melody was brought up practically overnight and in response to Patreon's ban of the former game - it wasn't the other way around... Acting as if DMD has been generated in a half-assed manner seems a grossly off-beat base of any argument you could possibly offer here.

I don't think they half assed it. I'm sure they're very organized and at this point they have a good idea about where the story is going and what they want to include to get it there. I'm just pointing out that what the game is now, the sheer volume of the story, wasn't in their plans at the start. The reason I brought up Melody is because that game was developed differently. They seemed to have a better idea of it's plotting and the motivations of the characters before they created it. Which is why it seems much more evenly paced and believable than DMD. Partly because DMD was first, but also probably largely a function of an incestual romance requiring shallow, unbelievable characters for it to exist in the first place. If DMD was real, it would be horrifying, and by extension if the game and it's characters were portrayed realistically, it would be an entirely different story.

..however, in no path can D continue to grow into her potential that has been clearly offered.

Again, that's by design. D is not a fully realized believable character, as you and so many others have pointed out. She is an extension of the fantasy. I'm not disagreeing with you. You're right, based on everything that's happened to D there is plenty of room for growth outside the unhealthy relationship with her father.

My argument is not about what the story should be, or could be, but what it is, that it's always been that way, and that it doesn't show any signs of ever being anything other than a simple stereotypical wish fulfillment power fantasy. His control over her choices and progression is the fantasy. That's why there's petals around her portrait in game. It's the slow corruption of a naive loli fuckdoll, but all through the lens of the MC's wishes, and from his pov.

 

[fried]

My argument is not about what the story should be, or could be, but what it is, that it's always been that way, and that it doesn't show any signs of ever being anything other than a simple stereotypical wish fulfillment power fantasy. His control over her choices and progression is the fantasy. That's why there's petals around her portrait in game. It's the slow corruption of a naive loli fuckdoll, but all through the lens of the MC's wishes, and from his pov.

Well, this is where I've documented my stark disagreement: D has long been portrayed as an imprisoned princess in need of a prince to set her free. And that happened in a monumental fashion, wherein she not only recognized the opportunity before her but solidified that moment of leaving the prison in one of the peak emotional episodes of this game (almost rivalled by her loss of virginity, which was something of an extension of that moment, IMHO.)

The buildup to her moment of freedom came with impressive displays of conscientious thoughts by the MC on her behalf - mostly in how to enable her self-determination, but mixed with growing desire to be with her.

Again, the MC's narrative changed little between the exclusive and non-exclusive paths: in each case, he continues to think similarly. But, in the latter path he's fully lept beyond her and has grown to treat their relationship like merely another matter to schedule and balance with his others (based upon your choices for side-relationships). Unlike other games where I feel this has been done successfully - including Melody - there is little recognition of how deep his control/manipulation has become by Chapter 3 or what its consequences could be, as he's still acting as if it's Chapter 2 with D and no consequences will ever be realized. The fantasy of a princess in thrall was broken, yet now she's back in another tower. Now it's no longer fun, just a game of situations to manage because we know D will overlook anything that may come about in the end: she's been groomed too well.

Yet the dynamics have shifted markedly in the non-exclusive path through Chapter 3: sharing is only about D being shared, rather than anything else. It's a power play and the MC has no conscience about it - again, unlike many other games which offer this sense of realization in the MC's dialogue, to at least show some impact to the player of their choices when taken (which needn't be moralistic, but at least recognized for what they happen to be.)

This was not sold as a psychological control game to my knowledge and although I'm fine with MrDots making the game he desires, never have I seen the marketing go in that direction. I can be flexible on changes over time, especially given all the circumstances of its tumultuous fight to simply exist, but the flower petals were often discussed as being "corruption" in the form of breaking down her sexual/relationship boundaries that she previously had as a locked-up princess, not turning her into merely a managed plaything for the MC's benefit. I realize the end effect could look very similar in terms of her practices that come into form, but the reasons for those actions should matter if the story was to remain consistent in purpose. Otherwise, MrDots should at least consider hinting that this is actually a sleeper psychological entrapment/break game at its core with an incredibly long grooming stage. To this date, their Dev team hasn't spoken in those types of themes, from what I can recall.

 

[Big Rooster]

Elena gets a literal (singular) boob job.
doing the installment plan

 

[shotzpro]

D+Father = Boring / Elena = Boring / Georgina= Boring.... no news characters or any strange to spice the game, only the same bullshit the same sex the same character... ZzzzzZzzzz

 

[Hornyman3169]

update ?

 

[RustyV]

D+Father = Boring / Elena = Boring / Georgina= Boring.... no news characters or any strange to spice the game, only the same bullshit the same sex the same character... ZzzzzZzzzz

Ruby may be a new partner for D.
And it looks as if D may finally start having sex with other people (besides Elena)without F being a participant.
So here's hoping.

 

[finndem]

Is there a summary anywhere of the various 'paths' through the game? I'm most of the way through episode 1, and trying to work out which big choices I want to make. I know vaguely that there's an option to go pure F-D, and possibly one that's F-D-Elena, but how do Georgina and Jennifer factor in (or other characters I haven't met)? Is there an actual harem route, or is pursuing multiple women going to end up causing issues down the line?

 

[RustyV]

Well, this is where I've documented my stark disagreement: D has long been portrayed as an imprisoned princess in need of a prince to set her free. And that happened in a monumental fashion, wherein she not only recognized the opportunity before her but solidified that moment of leaving the prison in one of the peak emotional moments of this game (almost rivalled by her loss of virginity, which was something of an extension of that moment, IMHO.)

The buildup to her moment of freedom came with impressive displays of conscientious thoughts by the MC on her behalf - mostly in how to enable her self-determination, but mixed with growing desire to be with her.

Again, the MC's narrative changed little between the exclusive and non-exclusive paths: in each case, he continues to think similarly. But, in the latter path he's fully lept beyond her and has grown to treat their relationship like merely another matter to schedule and balance with his others (based upon your choices for side-relationships). Unlike other games where I feel this has been done successfully - including Melody - there is little recognition of how deep his control/manipulation has become by Chapter 3 or what its consequences could be, as he's still acting as if it's Chapter 2 with D and no consequences will ever be realized. The fantasy of a princess in thrall was broken, yet now she's back in another tower. Now it's no longer fun, just a game of situations to manage because we know D will overlook anything that may come about in the end: she's been groomed too well.

Yet the dynamics have shifted markedly in the non-exclusive path through Chapter 3: sharing is only about D being shared, rather than anything else. It's a power play and the MC has no conscience about it - again, unlike many other games which offer this sense of realization in the MC's dialogue, to at least show some impact to the player of their choices when taken (which needn't be moralistic, but at least recognized for what they happen to be.)

This was not sold as a psychological control game to my knowledge and although I'm fine with MrDots making the game he desires, never have I seen the marketing gone in that direction. I can be flexible on changes over time, especially given all the circumstances of its tumultuous fight to simply exist, but the flower petals were often discussed as being "corruption" in the form of breaking down her sexual/relationship boundaries that she previously had as a locked-up princess, not turning her into merely a managed plaything for the MC's benefit. I realize the end effect could look very similar in terms of her practices that come into form, but the reasons for those actions should matter if the story was to remain consistent in purpose. Otherwise, MrDots should at least hint that this is actually a sleeper psychological entrapment/break game at its core with an incredible long grooming stage. To this date, their Dev team hasn't spoken in those types of themes, from what I can recall.

F should face consequences for his actions, both in cheating on his daughter which he has been doing since Chapter 1 and in molding her into his teenage sex toy. For example by now F has had to realize if you show D a porn video it plants the seed of her doing a similar action.
I am hoping that in Chapter 4 D like all growing teenagers rebels against parental authority. She already has said she wants to have sex with Ryan.
Unfortunately this then rouses the anit-NTR camp. D and F have at this point a quasi-open relationship, which I feel was done to blunt player's negative perception of F's cheating. In Chapter 4 D needs to start rebelling, not just with sexual partners of her own choosing without daddy-dearest being present but also by making her own life choices.
Let D choose the house they buy, let her tell f I'm getting a dog, end her childlike adoration of her father.
D getting mad at F when he defended Rachel was a start but then she obliges his wishes when F tells D to hug her mother. A better response would have be "No fucking way."

 

[CassidyPRO]

D+Father = Boring / Elena = Boring / Georgina= Boring.... no news characters or any strange to spice the game, only the same bullshit the same sex the same character... ZzzzzZzzzz

lol.. dude wants the dev to bring out the aliens lmao

 

[CassidyPRO]

F should face consequences for his actions, both in cheating on his daughter which he has been doing since Chapter 1 and in molding her into his teenage sex toy. For example by now F has had to realize if you show D a porn video it plants the seed of her doing a similar action.
I am hoping that in Chapter 4 D like all growing teenagers rebels against parental authority. She already has said she wants to have sex with Ryan.
Unfortunately this then rouses the anit-NTR camp. D and F have at this point a quasi-open relationship, which I feel was done to blunt player's negative perception of F's cheating. In Chapter 4 D needs to start rebelling, not just with sexual partners of her own choosing without daddy-dearest being present but also by making her own life choices.
Let D choose the house they buy, let her tell f I'm getting a dog, end her childlike adoration of her father.
D getting mad at F when he defended Rachel was a start but then she obliges his wishes when F tells D to hug her mother. A better response would have be "No fucking way."

the only thing i can think about when reading this is that "the office" gif..

NO GOD, PLEASE NOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[armion82]

"I never intended DMD to last this long when I first began.

The main reason for that is because of Patreon.The game was suppose to be exactly the same number of updates we will get with 4 chapters now-around 35.Easy to calculate that the end was suppose to be around the end of 2019.

 

[Deleted member 684837]

D+Father = Boring / Elena = Boring / Georgina= Boring.... no news characters or any strange to spice the game, only the same bullshit the same sex the same character... ZzzzzZzzzz

yep and we are gonna keep getting that because some guys play online sex simulator/dating games and complain that the women are too slutty lol

 

[New Kid]

New Kid, your logic is faulty, if this should be taken literally, it should only be father and daughter, and nobody else.
not sure how u can use that as argument and in the same time give the father opportunities to do what the fuck he wants.

initially the story was about corruption, bestiality and who knows what more, but money talks and pushed the dev to change.
so, even here, we can argue that the title initially was not to be taken literally, and that the story could go in any direction.
for me, this "push" made the game worse, if MrDots was to make this game into whatever he wanted, Im sure we would have a much better game with a more consistent Mc and hotter scenes and more variety. this "borefication" is your fault.

Eh, don't see how my logic is wrong, after all at no point in time during the game the Father stops dating his daughter or even considers doing it. You can follow a daughter-only path, or a total horndog that fucks everything that moves, or anything in between but the daughter is always there, so it's still in line with the title despite the way he handles the relationship being different depending on the circumstances.
I can't comment on how the game was supposed to be in the far past because I just tried it recently, but the daughter has been an extremely naive child since the very beginning of the game that I played, and her mindset hasn't changed one bit so I don't see how you can justify her suddenly having any agency of her own at this point. Maybe if she finds out about the father cheating, but he probably can BS his way around that too...

 

[baka]

its not about that, if you ask me, I dont want her to have an agenda of her own. I want her to be naive, thats the part I like about this.
her naivete will allow F to BS him out of anything.

the argument is not that, but to allow D to expand in her sexuality, if F is allowed to fuck around, D should also have a choice to experiment as well. and I dont mean to cheat, but together with F to push her into different "fetishes" (that was planned). since D is naive and F is older (well sometimes I wonder, the way he reason) he should act more like a teacher, a mentor, a master. and D as a pet, slave and submissive, to corrupt her into a plaything. but only if you pick that (u can still go the "lovely path", and focus on F+D only)

if this game was just a dating simulation, father and daughter, they should focus on just that, but its not.
also, if you think about it, the title says its about F & D, but F has multiple choices, so instead of allowing F to "date" D in many different ways, he just date her while doing what the fuck he wants with other girls. he is not this mature 40 years old dude, with experience that is "fucking" his daughter, and like a pervert, push her into doing more dirty stuff, but he seems more like a 18 years old hungry dude that want to put his cock in any hole. thats the problem.

 

[iOtero]

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[RustyV]

It seems that DMD player preferences have split yet again.
There is the D only path. In which D and F are developing a monogamous relationship.
There is the D sharing path. But the D sharing path is diverging into:
1.) a daughter who's action are to a great extent guided by her father.
2.) D becoming her own person and making independent choices.

Neither one is right or wrong just a difference of player preference.

 

[RustyV]

For legal purposes the rodent is Ricky Rouse.