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slackster

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Yeah, efficiency has long been a MrDots quality. I forgive their shortcuts in light of reliable, monthly outputs.
Last 2 updates have been sub-par and behind schedule. I hope they pull off a great ending to Ch3 but its dissapointing to see even more reused scenes. Could have had F and G playing around in D's hotel room or with G & O for something different.
 
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Last 2 updates have been sub-par and behind schedule. I hope they pull off a great ending to Ch3 but its dissapointing to see even more reused scenes. Could have had F and G playing around in D's hotel room or with G & O for something different.
I guess my point is that "behind schedule" for MrDots is still far more reliable and fast than for most Dev teams out there. Plus, we know it's because they have a new, rather sprawling game in parallel that's still growing and they are likely eating into DMD's timing because of it - again, I have forgiveness for this because context matters.

Quality is certainly a subjective determination, so I have no argument there.
 

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I guess my point is that "behind schedule" for MrDots is still far more reliable and fast than for most Dev teams out there. Plus, we know it's because they have a new, rather sprawling game in parallel that's still growing and they are likely eating into DMD's timing because of it - again, I have forgiveness for this because context matters.

Quality is certainly a subjective determination, so I have no argument there.
True, I have always said that if they needed to take more time to provide better quality that they should do so. From the latest preview it seems that they are taking more time and still reusing scenes instead of building on what was. Disappointing.
 

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Even if she's willing to go along with his well-timed proposals (of course she is), there's a significant amount of manipulation going on here and it doesn't balance out for what is being offered as a happy couple on the surface. There's a larger point here beyond concern that she sleeps with other people of her choice.
Agreed.
IMO D should get to sometimes decide for herself with whom she has sex.
F has pretty much been directing D to having other sexual partners and has indicated he isn't mad when she notices other people and has even agreed to D having a sexual liaison with Ryan. Basically they have an open relationship.
So if D desires to have sex with another person and let's F know she is both acting as a mature partner in their relationship and is being more honest than F has been. D wouldn't be cheating or sneaking around behind his back, she loves and respects F too much to do that to him. She is actually the better person.
 

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a lot of chapters I find it dull. for me a erotic game is about pushing the boundaries, to be surprised, to focus on the eroticism and emotions of the characters. sure, not all erotic games need to be like that, but a visual novel is for me that, a visual erotic novel with options to have different routes. so its not a game or a simulation but a multi choice novel.

I cant feel the emotional closeness between F&D, its superficial, where a lot of times the Mc is egoistic that from time to time act like he need to be mature and understanding, but later show his true colors when he act like a young boy or detached.
D is naive and sometimes stupid, and not always I find it attractive that she is like a child but annoying when shes no reacting like a 18 years old should.

in my mind, a father that gets close to his daughter like that (I try to not moralize here) would not want to be with another woman, and it would make more sense that he focus on her "sexual training", I mean, theres a lot a couple can do.
toys, bdsm, voyeurism, private photoshots/video, fisting, erotic massage, g-spot, facials and deepthroat and so on. also, we have the "mind and emotions", to talk dirty, share fantasies, push each other with suggestions, well, a lot can be done that dont need to introduce the same boring sex scene with another pixel-model.
 
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You don't criticize a high fantasy novel because it has swords and scorcery. Anyone expecting a realistic, equal relationship where D gets to make her own choices is barking up the wrong tree. That's not what this game is or ever has been. This is a sterotypical male fantasy porn story, where the mc gets everything he wants with no consequences. That's the entire reason it exists, so that mc can have his cake and eat her friend's pie too.

Mc fucks his long lost daughter, her friends (except Jennifer! WHY? :cry:), his friends, random strangers, all within a few weeks of their reunion, and they're all okay with it, by design. It's completely saccharine, empty calories, junk food. Parental Love and WMV are very much in the same vein.

For the record I think there is room for sharing in this story, I just don't think it will ever be portrayed as anything other than the fulfillment of mc's wishes. Because that's really all DMD is, wish fulfillment power fantasy.

There are other games that set the goal of telling a compelling story and portraying realistic characters, even his other game Melody leans more in that direction, but DMD aint it. So if people don't like it because of those choices, totally fair. But the game should be judged based on what it hopes to accomplish. I think in that regard it mostly achieves its goals.
 

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Agreed.
IMO D should get to sometimes decide for herself with whom she has sex.
F has pretty much been directing D to having other sexual partners and has indicated he isn't mad when she notices other people and has even agreed to D having a sexual liaison with Ryan. Basically they have an open relationship.
So if D desires to have sex with another person and let's F know she is both acting as a mature partner in their relationship and is being more honest than F has been. D wouldn't be cheating or sneaking around behind his back, she loves and respects F too much to do that to him. She is actually the better person.
D has already fooled around with Elena (and, perhaps reaching a bit, Olivia) behind F's back and only came clean once she had a nightmare about marrying Elena instead of F. Sure, F ends up being cool with it, but it's not as if she's never been sneaky.
 
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You don't criticize a high fantasy novel because it has swords and scorcery. Anyone expecting a realistic, equal relationship where D gets to make her own choices is barking up the wrong tree. That's not what this game is or ever has been. This is a sterotypical male fantasy porn story, where the mc gets everything he wants with no consequences. That's the entire reason it exists, so that mc can have his cake and eat her friend's pie too.
If that was the intention of this game, then the buildup of the relationship would likely have been far shorter, as enablement points in D's life would have been entirely unnecessary (e.g., self-defense, leaving her mother, growing her career) and we wouldn't need quite so many optional paths for both she and the MC to sleep with other people (even though she is rarely in control). Sorry, I don't buy that this is just another Milfy City.
 

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For the record I think there is room for sharing in this story, I just don't think it will ever be portrayed as anything other than the fulfillment of mc's wishes.
That's where I think you're mistaken. DMD is supposed to fullfill the player's fantasies/wishes, not MC's wishes. And if the player's fantasy is that D wants herself to try to have sex with another person, and not MC wanting her to have sex with this person, then her doing as she wishes perfectly has its place in that game. Both aren't exactly the same kink.
Anyway the discussion is pointless since what is supposed to be in the game will be decided by MrDots in the end.
(But I agree with you that the point of Dmd isn't to be realistic, though I already had this discussion in this topic).
 
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The MrDots team does sometimes listen to valid constructive criticism, and try to add fan wants to the story.
DMD is evolving as it continues, some new situations are added and some (like bestiality) are removed or reduced.
IMO I think DMD has become about the journey not just the fulfillment of sex fetishes.
 
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If that was the intention of this game, then the buildup of the relationship would likely have been far shorter, as enablement points in D's life would have been entirely unnecessary (e.g., self-defense, leaving her mother, growing her career) and we wouldn't need quite so many optional paths for both she and the MC to sleep with other people (even though she is rarely in control). Sorry, I don't buy that this is just another Milfy City.
Just because it builds a very elaborate fantasy doesn't change the nature of the fantasy. I think it's just terribly bloated because it became so popular, and/or mrdots has a problem with brevity. You even pointed out how D is like a naive fucktoy, totally unrealistic, and that's an entirely valid observation. That's not a new thing, she always was that way (except in .01 she was more sassy and adult, but that was quickly revised by .03 or .04). Along with how mc behaves like a horny teenager, it's probably the most common criticism you'll see in this thread. I'm just saying that D behaving like a naive loli fuckdoll and having no agency is a feature not a bug.

Whereas Melody is a much more focused and concise narrative, I think he is just sort of winging it with DMD, as it's his first story and he never expected it to take off the way it did. He's trying to provide his most diehard supporters with more of what they really want in order to fund the creation of his newer works. Which is why it just keeps on going. He even said as much recently on his site:

"I never intended DMD to last this long when I first began. We’ve had some obstacles in the past as most of you already know, and our plans have changed several times during those four years – some of those changes that we made were due to things that were out of our control.

But it’s due to your love and continued interest in this story that we keep making updates."

A lot of that is about patreon almost killing it, but it's also about how it grew organically as he discovered where he wanted the story to go while writing it and in response to the continued support of his fans. Which is to say, what DMD is about was intentional and hasn't changed much, but the depth and breadth of the narrative was not his original intention and has changed throughout the process of creating it.

Anyway the discussion is pointless since what is supposed to be in the game will be decided by MrDots in the end.
Agreed. Which is basically what I meant by saying "what mc wishes" instead of "what I wish". Meaning what mc wants is the same as what mrdots wants the character to be. I think he tries to tailor that to players' wishes but ultimately it's his vision, or his interpretation of what a player who enjoys that type of fantasy would want to do with D if they were the mc. If we go by the first 3 chapters, D making her own decisions is not in the cards, either because his supporters have expressed they don't want that, or simply because that's not the story he's telling. Who knows maybe he'll change his ideas about that in chapter 4. I don't think that's very likely though.
 
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Isn't the game called "Dating my Daughter"? It isn't "Daughter's story" or "D's Adventures in Adultland", of course the game is all about the father and the way he handles the relationship with his daughter (and all his other escapades). The daughter is an extremely sheltered kid with the mind and behavior of pre-teen, one that feels extremely grateful/indebted to the father for "rescuing her" from the prison her mother confined her in for most of her life.

It would actually be baffling if she suddenly starts sneaking around his back or even considering taking other partners without getting his OK first due to her childish mindset (she even has a wedding nightmare after just fooling around with Elena ffs, she will not suddenly mature just because she had sex a few times). The father however holds all the cards here and can do whatever he wants behind her back as long as she does not find out, and goad D in whatever direction he wants as his mindset has no restrictions like the daughter's (unless you are on the D only path of course).
 

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Just because it builds a very elaborate fantasy doesn't change the nature of the fantasy. I think it's just terribly bloated because it became so popular, and/or mrdots has a problem with brevity. You even pointed out how D is like a naive fucktoy, totally unrealistic, and that's an entirely valid observation. That's not a new thing, she always was that way (except in .01 she was more sassy and adult, but that was quickly revised by .03 or .04). Along with how mc behaves like a horny teenager, it's probably the most common criticism you'll see in this thread. I'm just saying that D behaving like a naive loli fuckdoll and having no agency is a feature not a bug.

Whereas Melody is a much more focused and concise narrative, I think he is just sort of winging it with DMD, as it's his first story and he never expected it to take off the way it did. He's trying to provide his most diehard supporters with more of what they really want in order to fund the creation of his newer works.
This seems a rather inconsistent analysis of MrDots' otherwise consistent storytelling style.

While they are certainly adding in more ideas and responding to the fans as they go along (e.g., Season 4 plans), they had also telegraphed the grand strokes some time ago. Wasting episodes with bloat for no reason other than fan service is the opposite of their creative style: as Jeff has clearly mentioned, elements in their stories exist to build upon and not as mere filler because they ran out of ideas. The story is always being served, essentially.

DMD had already taken off before Melody was brought up practically overnight and in response to Patreon's ban of the former game - it wasn't the other way around. Again, we know the general endgame for DMD: it's just that the path to get there has been altered due to timing from funding and development delays (due to parallelism), circumstance (the Patreon ban and parallelism) and some rethink from community interaction (e.g., bestiality) plus the opportunity that Melody provided to continue elaborating on details of the DMD story. Acting as if DMD has been generated in a half-assed manner seems a grossly off-beat base of any argument you could possibly offer here.

Instead, it's more a simple matter: MrDots' team decided that their definition of NTR can't exist in a highly specialized manner of viewing the universe, which allows for the MC to cheat and D to only act under his controls. So, D's additional freedom to swing/swap on her own - even with prior MC general consent - can never occur, because they act as if that falls under NTR (again, even if prior consent was offered). This also blocks her ability to be enabled for cheating to the same level as the MC. Sure, you are playing as the MC, but we have also been provided D as someone equally as important to this story overall - treating her like a Stepford Wife (in symbolic form) is certainly an interesting option to offer in the game, but it's either that or vanilla (i.e., fully dedicated path). So, the prior history between them seems rather misleading if you are on a non-dedicated path.

Analyzing that point in DMD's context ... for a significant portion of the story, our MC's stated goal - despite his lusting - was to free D from her mother's virtual prison. They then grew to talk about everything from living together (now in progress) to marriage (now openly proposed) to a family (still open), among other things. As D's freedom to express herself has grown, she has naturally let her sexual side fly in ways that her repression likely helped to launch after the openness she found with the MC. And now, after all this development ... the MC calls the shots for her life, under the guise of a loving fiance. Because he still wields the power multiplier of being her father. A beneficent cad.

Of course some people will look at this and naturally call foul, given the history we've seen thus far. This manipulation by the MC applies mostly to the non-dedicated D paths, of course: everything from a single liaison to a full harem. For, in the dedicated path, we can at least limit the MC to the same experience range as D (to an extent); however, in no path can D continue to grow into her potential that has been clearly offered.

I actually play both the dedicated and full-out paths for each installment, which makes the differences in their abilities to choose even more stark in the playing experience. Truly, given that MC is a manipulative son-of-a-bitch for the non-dedicated paths, they should have considered altering his dialogue far more than simply showing concern for juggling competing affair schedules: this character should be portrayed as the selfish ogre that he is, helping to rescue his daughter from one controlled situation and grooming her for another. I feel this is a failing in the portrayal of the MC in DMD, frankly: we as players can see what is happening, but the MC's disposition in both types of paths is otherwise quite similar, as if he's oblivious to his controlling manner (or is simply a psychopath) - this creates much dissonance in the story with D as the other protagonist, I feel.

Therefore, a practical option would be to grant the other protagonist - that they took endless episodes to build up - with the ability to shake up the story and meet his level of craft and/or duplicity: give her a life beyond a happy cuckoo (which would make the non-dedicated paths FAR more interesting.) It's not as if MrDots hasn't done this in parallel work with Melody and shown it can be effective, even if you are ostensibly playing as the MC in that game. Indeed, I often hear a consistent refrain of how the story now feels on cruise control: while I don't feel that's true, I would wager part of that is because the lack of friction in the main storyline (even for non-dedicated path) outside of the modelling competition is rather low. There's only so far you can go with entertainment value when a MC is successfully juggling schedules for their sexual affairs and cheating on their fiance (constantly) as the primary style of personal relationships to explore.
 
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