Hyperserver

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After 4 years that would be a let down. One of the questions in DMD what does each petal hide.
well: unsurprisingly spoiler - one of them is marriage

and the other one is not what people expect (because they didn't listen what we told LONG time ago already)
 
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Hyperserver

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I really hope for the first game he will make more changes.Like making a daugther be MC.
(y) I'm rooting for this to happen.
The next game after DMD and SL both been finished (which should be somewhere around Q3 2023), will have another male MC. This time he will NOT be an unsecure, spineless douche who fears himself ("oh no, i shouldn't do this .. this is so wrong ...") - he will be much more dominant (or like others say: he will be more "Alpha").
it will be again incest, but this time there will be a possibility to go full harem. No NTR (guess not even sharing or swinging), rape and bestiality (like usual) at all.

This is as far as i can give away.
 
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not even sharing or swinging
Depressing af to me. I'd prefer 2 routes, one without, one with sharing. I for sure find no sharing games boring (just one guy fucking some amount of girls, no orgies, no MMF scenes, no swinging) but I can understand people wanting it. What I can't stand tho, is that they don't even want to let the others have their sharing content, even if the game was well made enough to absolutely protect them from seeing any of it if they choose to. Sure, if Dots spends time making sharing scenes, it's less time to make boring MF scenes the majority of paid subs seem to want, but still, it's just sad so many people are so deep in this mental state that they will do all they can (posts, subs) to live virtually this alpha male fantasy they so badly want irl. And again I wouldn't give af if there was 2 routes. I wouldn't use my voice and my money just to force a dev to make only NTR/sharing scenes and rob other people of their fun, but that's what they're doing.

To me, no sharing means absolutely no surprise at all, MC will fuck every women in the game, there will be some MFF and MFFF scenes, probably 350 shower sex scenes like in DmD and that's it.
Beyond the NTR/sharing debate, porn with no surprise is bad porn, and removing sharing removes surprises. Even innocuous tame stuff like lesbian sex without MC (I don't care about lesbian scenes but it's an example) is gone. The story is completely optionnal, whatever happens, MC will fuck everyone, and whatever interactivity there will be, it will just determine in which order MC will fuck girls. Why even make a game and not just CGs or comics at this point ? Art will probably look nice, but it won't save it for me, it's almost like when I see a game or some hentai, think "Oh it looks great", to then look closer and it's fucking femboys stuff I can't fap to.

The only thing that would make it better than SL for me would be if at least Dots changes the setting a lot, like going SciFi or fantasy, I would be curious to see how he does it. But I'm pretty sure he won't.

PS : I'm not ranting against you, Hyperserver, I know you're just the messenger, it's a general rant.
 

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Depressing af to me. I'd prefer 2 routes, one without, one with sharing. I for sure find no sharing games boring (just one guy fucking some amount of girls, no orgies, no MMF scenes, no swinging) but I can understand people wanting it. What I can't stand tho, is that they don't even want to let the others have their sharing content, even if the game was well made enough to absolutely protect them from seeing any of it if they choose to. Sure, if Dots spends time making sharing scenes, it's less time to make boring MF scenes the majority of paid subs seem to want, but still, it's just sad so many people are so deep in this mental state that they will do all they can (posts, subs) to live virtually this alpha male fantasy they so badly want irl. And again I wouldn't give af if there was 2 routes. I wouldn't use my voice and my money just to force a dev to make only NTR/sharing scenes and rob other people of their fun, but that's what they're doing.

To me, no sharing means absolutely no surprise at all, MC will fuck every women in the game, there will be some MFF and MFFF scenes, probably 350 shower sex scenes like in DmD and that's it.
Beyond the NTR/sharing debate, porn with no surprise is bad porn, and removing sharing removes surprises. Even innocuous tame stuff like lesbian sex without MC (I don't care about lesbian scenes but it's an example) is gone. The story is completely optionnal, whatever happens, MC will fuck everyone, and whatever interactivity there will be, it will just determine in which order MC will fuck girls. Why even make a game and not just CGs or comics at this point ? Art will probably look nice, but it won't save it for me, it's almost like when I see a game or some hentai, think "Oh it looks great", to then look closer and it's fucking femboys stuff I can't fap to.

The only thing that would make it better than SL for me would be if at least Dots changes the setting a lot, like going SciFi or fantasy, I would be curious to see how he does it. But I'm pretty sure he won't.

PS : I'm not ranting against you, Hyperserver, I know you're just the messenger, it's a general rant.
It's all a question of good storytelling. i like so many things. Of course, anyone who knows me knows that I'm totally on the taboo track. With me, the MC can be a predator who fucks everything: neighbors, daughter's friends, etc. But he doesn't have to get everything. With me there can also be other men. Not only because of the sexual diversity, but also because of the many interesting stories that make up half of the fun of the game. I also really like vanilla/harem games. For example I'm a big fan of BaDik, Peasants Quest, Summertime sage etc. Provided there are many different LI's and many stories as we are led to them.

But this is where the deficit are. 90% of all vanilla/harem games are always the same . The Li have 0 backgroundstory, no everyday life. They are only flesh, in whose panties we want to get. That's it. If you've seen 1 game, you've seen them all. It's always the same. Truly outstanding gems are rare. This might inspire gameswho have never played erotic games before. Or young adolescents who have never seen a woman naked. But not adult, more mature players. That's why i like the taboo stuff, including NTR. These stories, if they are well written, are simply interesting, exciting and often always something completely different, sometimes completely unexpected. The range of possibilities is practically endless, you can just adapt any imaginable film as a game if you just include other men as well. the vanilla/harem fabric quickly reaches its limits.
 

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Depressing af to me. I'd prefer 2 routes, one without, one with sharing. I for sure find no sharing games boring (just one guy fucking some amount of girls, no orgies, no MMF scenes, no swinging) but I can understand people wanting it. What I can't stand tho, is that they don't even want to let the others have their sharing content, even if the game was well made enough to absolutely protect them from seeing any of it if they choose to. Sure, if Dots spends time making sharing scenes, it's less time to make boring MF scenes the majority of paid subs seem to want, but still, it's just sad so many people are so deep in this mental state that they will do all they can (posts, subs) to live virtually this alpha male fantasy they so badly want irl. And again I wouldn't give af if there was 2 routes. I wouldn't use my voice and my money just to force a dev to make only NTR/sharing scenes and rob other people of their fun, but that's what they're doing.

To me, no sharing means absolutely no surprise at all, MC will fuck every women in the game, there will be some MFF and MFFF scenes, probably 350 shower sex scenes like in DmD and that's it.
Beyond the NTR/sharing debate, porn with no surprise is bad porn, and removing sharing removes surprises. Even innocuous tame stuff like lesbian sex without MC (I don't care about lesbian scenes but it's an example) is gone. The story is completely optionnal, whatever happens, MC will fuck everyone, and whatever interactivity there will be, it will just determine in which order MC will fuck girls. Why even make a game and not just CGs or comics at this point ? Art will probably look nice, but it won't save it for me, it's almost like when I see a game or some hentai, think "Oh it looks great", to then look closer and it's fucking femboys stuff I can't fap to.

The only thing that would make it better than SL for me would be if at least Dots changes the setting a lot, like going SciFi or fantasy, I would be curious to see how he does it. But I'm pretty sure he won't.

PS : I'm not ranting against you, Hyperserver, I know you're just the messenger, it's a general rant.
As opposed to what? The fantasy that every female will fuck anything and everything? Are you saying your kink is better?

You know if the mc fucks all the girls right at the start I would agree that's boring (unless the mc is a sociopath rapist) but usually we the players have to work to get to that point, especially with incest characters breaking down their barriers enough to accept it. The journey to get to that point is the challenge, as long it doesn't follow the predictable "stairway to heaven" trope.
 

Hyperserver

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As opposed to what? The fantasy that every female will fuck anything and everything? Are you saying your kink is better?

You know if the mc fucks all the girls right at the start I would agree that's boring (unless the mc is a sociopath rapist) but usually we the players have to work to get to that point, especially with incest characters breaking down their barriers enough to accept it. The journey to get to that point is the challenge, as long it doesn't follow the predictable "stairway to heaven" trope.
well - our next game will try to focus on a good story and every character having his own background and individuality. It will of course not be a game where every woman is falling for MC by snipping a finger. Also he will face a lot of trouble. And be asured that he will not be a shy insecure douchebag like we had before. Just wait and see. We start early thinking about characters and how they are, before finally wrapping the story around. This time the story is about the characters and not the characters made for the story (something like that). We don't even go full on for now, as there is still DMD to be finished and afterwards SL to get to a good end. But what we have in mind is completely different than before. Someone mentionned fantasy before -> it will be nothing like that though.
 

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As opposed to what? The fantasy that every female will fuck anything and everything? Are you saying your kink is better?

You know if the mc fucks all the girls right at the start I would agree that's boring (unless the mc is a sociopath rapist) but usually we the players have to work to get to that point, especially with incest characters breaking down their barriers enough to accept it. The journey to get to that point is the challenge, as long it doesn't follow the predictable "stairway to heaven" trope.
It's not really a kink, I don't even care/want about proper NTR, aka humiliation of cuck MC. But even that if it gives me an occasion to see a good porn scene between characters I didn't expect to see together, then I'm all for it. It's just deeply sadening to cut any surprise from a game. Especially when it's porn.

Even in your example, I agree that good pacing and writing (not a strong point of Dots games lately) will make the experience bearable for someone like me (40+yo, seen porn since I was 13), like it was more or less in Melody, even if the best scenes where of course the extra scenes to me. But still, even if writing and pacing are good, in the end you know you will fuck everyone, nothing will stand in your way, every story beat will just be filler. Even if well written, still won't impact anything because it's an "Alpha MC fucks everything" type of game. It cuts any story ideas from the devs that wouldn't go toward this goal, any creativity, it becomes the same as blockbuster movies where nobody in the world should be offended by anything, because it needs money from every markets to profit. In the end you watch it and feel nothing, it's just like a 2h40 Playstation 8 cinematic scene. So yeah, it's sad to me.

Hyperserver said:
Someone mentionned fantasy before -> it will be nothing like that though.
So scifi then ? :D
 
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All I want is for them to start using different facial expressions and use less info-dump monologues.
God SL was such failure regarding this, especially texts, I'm used to limited facial expressions because of DMD and Melody. I stopped playing SL after 4-5 updates. Nowadays I just browse CGs from it and I manage to be disappointed anyways, because it's "oh, MC is fucking a woman" how unusual, "oh he's fucking her in the ass" made me raise an eyebrow, sparked 10% of my interest. "oh that's all for this update" I hope teenagers enjoyed it, I know I didn't.
 
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