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My chart got cut off, but bestiality is at 2% ... and to clarity, it was specifically would you as a man fantasize having sex with an animal - imagine the percentage is higher if it asked would you watch a female have sex with an animal...though probly still low percentage.
Well, the combination human male with an animal is not only absolutely _not_ my thing I also consider every sexual intercourse between a human male and an animal as rape. The only animal stuff which is consensual for me is a human female, willingly, let herself being fucked by an animal. I think this is an important difference in general on this beast topic. So there is in my eyes nothing wrong if D is on all fours, by her free choice, and a grown up doggy mates with her by his free choice.
 

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Jeff Steel is gonna win the patience award of the year here in F95, he answered the same question over and over again, we already have pages and pages with the same questions, mostly about NTR and Bestiality, i am just glad that we will actually have a CH3, the content that i want is D+F only, the poly arc,and Rachel, i wont share D with any other man or animal, in fact you can turn down Martin in CH1 i know because i did that ,so why bitching about something you have total control over?, the players who want that kind of content dont give a fuck about people complaint about it, just like i want Rachel content and i dont give a fuck about people saying 1000 times that she is a monster and bla bla bla, lets just play DMD the way we want it and enjoy it while it lasts.
 

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a Few notes from me on the attached chart:

1. Any player of these games are going to post much higher on the percentage for men than what is on the chart. Imo.

2. Swinging is a couple thing, not a single male having sexual with a couple. Thus it implies your “other” is having sex with a male. Note that I would be surprised if this VN audience didn’t rate 60% or higher on average.

3. I note there is nothing on the chart to cover “giving away your gf” - being cucked - or NTR.

4. I do note bestiality (which falls for me low - but then again, I get a 2% rating on foot play as well)

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Point being, stop bashing swinging as an outlier. And stop calling it ntr.
Source?
 

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Well, the combination human male with an animal is not only absolutely _not_ my thing I also consider every sexual intercourse between a human male and an animal as rape. The only animal stuff which is consensual for me is a human female, willingly, let herself being fucked by an animal. I think this is an important difference in general on this beast topic. So there is in my eyes nothing wrong if D is on all fours, by her free choice, and a grown up doggy mates with her by his free choice.
That's naive since the notion assumes that he doggy knows what consent is
 

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Jeff on your chart what is the % of Females that have fantasized about swinging? - it is blocked out by your highlight lines
 

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From this article citing the Journal of Sexual Medicine published article.



I’m having trouble on opening the Link to the Journal - so I cant currently confirm.

Here is the full chart cited in another online article

17% with a couple the lady knows - but jumps up to 26% with a couple she does not know.
 
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Check out men as I believe when you switch to sex with strangers, it drops - for women, it goes up. Maybe it allows women to focus more on the sex.? Idk
The gap may be because she doesn't want your dirty laundry shared with someone you know. It's safer with someone you don't.
 
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That's naive since the notion assumes that he doggy knows what consent is
That's not naive. Doggy is horny, there's a bitch in heat on all fours, she let's him on her back. That's consent. But, discussing this would be off topic and, in a porn game, no human or animal will be harmed. But if we discuss this more, we will be harmed by a mod ;)
 
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Well . . . by dint of the fact that this is a game, and it's determined by the choice of the player which storylines will or will not open, with none being deemed a deafult, then no, she can't have any of her own agency. She won't say "yes" or "no" to any available option without the players input, and the game often elects for those decisions to be made in-game, too.
D never actually chooses anything; the player makes all the decisions, because that's how choices in games work if there's no default. You want a MFF route with Elena, then you make the choices that will lead there. You want to have a D/F only route, then you make those choices too; funnily enough, if you want a MMF route, you have to make that choice, too.
I agree.
VNs are basically the you chose your own adventure books that were popular with children when I was young. You read a storyline to a point when you had to pick one of two options and then skip ahead to a certain page to which you were directed and continue the story from there until you had to pick another plot route.
That being said YOU the player are actually D's personal deity controlling her fate. Your whims will decide what path she will explore. To make a pop-culture reference you're kind of like God (Chuck) in this last season of Supernatural.
Mr.Dots and his team gives you chances to opt out of a particular action. So you can have a D-Only-For-Me route, a D-Does-DMD route, or a middle ground of D's-Lez-Be-Friends route. It's all up to you.

What I do find interesting is how DMD has (more than most VNs) created a character in D that engenders such strong emotions in players. D seems to have moved from an adult fantasy game hottie to in a Pinocchio-esque manner becoming a real girl.
 
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Yeah, but they are supposed to be "in love", so we can give that a pass.
Fucking an animal is way way past that, would you let your daughter fuck a random hobo? or a methhead? No. You know why? Because you are her father, her safety is in your hands, so you forcing/allowing her to fuck an animal, with the insane risk of catching a disease that this have, coupled with the moral twistery that you have do for it, turns you into a garbage of a parent/human being. So yes, he's not half decent, but at least he's not supposed to be a degenerate.

Is this the game we were sold at the start? Fuck no. Does people have a right to complain about it? Of course.
I agree with you that even if the MC has moved past father and morphed into significant-other there is a distinction between that and degenerate.

Actually Bestiality was in the tags when the game was first released. But, unless the dev team has changed their stance Jeff Steel has previously asserted that kink was only seen as a punishment route, and not for D.
The Pet Arc could also be D role-playing as a Hello Kittty (or whatever it's called), or just soon having a route where D becomes super submissive. IMO D reverting back to a submissive mouse would betray all the character development of D throughout the DMD VN.
 
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What I do find interesting is how DMD has (more than most VNs) created a character in D that engenders such strong emotions in players. D seems to have moved from an adult fantasy game hottie to in a Pinocchio-esque manner becoming a real girl.
Yeah, I've previously offered the comparison of her story as being that of a fairytale princess, getting help in being released from an evil witch's grip and finding the real world can be so much more than she ever felt possible to realize. So, I agree it make sense that she's become the "real girl" now and all the benefits (plus detriments - see below) that should offer.


I agree with you that even if the MC has moved past father and morphed into significant-other there is a distinction between that and degenerate.

Actually Bestiality was in the tags when the game was first released. But, unless the dev team has changed their stance Jeff Steel has previously asserted that kink was only seen as a punishment route, and not for D.
The Pet Arc could also be D role-playing as a Hello Kittty (or whatever it's called), or just soon having a route where D becomes super submissive. IMO D reverting back to a submissive mouse would betray all the character development of D throughout the DMD VN.
I still feel it could work as a heat-of-the-moment kind of thing that occurs, with someone like Elena (who we know has unexplored kinks to offer) to nudge that moment on. It's not necessarily a full fall into a sub-personality or complete moral degeneracy - more mainstream folks have fantasized and/or done weird or socially unacceptable stuff than we might realize and/or accept, I feel:



Stuff happens and sometimes people might look back and say, "wha?" at those times, eventually recognizing how various circumstances came together to make things happen which they may have grown beyond since.

Another option could be that D does go too far in her partying ways and has such an encounter when already under the influence of drugs which help lower her inhibitions, affect her judgement, make her easy to lead on (i.e., temporarily submissive again, but not in a role-playing manner), etc. That could be used as a wake-up call for her and her support network to pull back the reigns a bit, learning from the extreme experience on how to avoid such pitfalls in the future, etc. And, it would still fit into a heat-of-the-moment event, just with additional influencers beyond being in the thrall of sexual insatiability and Elena, etc.

That is - and we're touching on the "real girl" emergence idea again - all her lifestyle freedoms should ideally come with a dark side of unforeseen consequences by certain excesses, I feel. Stuff that she needs to learn has to have some boundaries for safety's sake, even when you're otherwise going all out to have fun, etc.
 
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