VN Others Completed Daughter for Dessert [Ch. 19] [Palmer/Love-Joint]

[recatcher]

There are multiple angles here to view. Celia has an axe to grind. MC just wants to be left alone from Lenie's family, and focus on his work and daughter. Amanda is trying to find her place in the world (as a young adult) and has always identified herself as a semi-orphan (mom died) and down on her luck due to MC (dad) never having cash. Now Celia comes in and says that she could have had money and her mom could have been saved if MC (dad) would have swallowed his pride and done something (don't know - haven't got there). Amanda is frustrated, a teenager, and now her entire identity is thrown for a loop. Yes she looses her shit and needs space to think. Again - She is a freaking teenager.
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Yup. It's easy for us to know better, of course, but flawed characters gonna flaw. So many villainous characters have done exactly that -- start shit, get beat, try and wave the white flag and be civil, then use that opening to undermine the heroes through doubt and such. Involving Moe was a smart touch from the aunt -- bringing in a supposedly legitimate law figure, not to mention a friend of the target/MC, just makes the findings (in support of the slanted case) seem all the more convincing.

I do agree that having Amanda stay with her was a step too far. Dunno if that'll be important later.

I'm actually GLAD it isn't the millionth "oh no my lover is cheating" conflict storyline, which seems to be a crutch these games find all too convenient to lean on. As messy as the execution has been, at least it isn't a retread of that.

 

[TheKryptonian]

Yup. It's easy for us to know better, of course, but flawed characters gonna flaw. So many villainous characters have done exactly that -- start shit, get beat, try and wave the white flag and be civil, then use that opening to undermine the heroes through doubt and such. Involving Moe was a smart touch from the aunt -- bringing in a supposedly legitimate law figure, not to mention a friend of the target/MC, just makes the findings (in support of the slanted case) seem all the more convincing.

I do agree that having Amanda stay with her was a step too far. Dunno if that'll be important later.

I'm actually GLAD it isn't the millionth "oh no my lover is cheating" conflict storyline, which seems to be a crutch these games find all too convenient to lean on. As messy as the execution has been, at least it isn't a retread of that.

I agree it is refreshing to have a different set of obstacles to overcome and its all about the execution of it. Just the sudden 180 attitude we as the player are met with. Its funny because Amanda even admits she doesn't trust or really like the aunt in the beginning and then BAM... MC garbage, Aunt Super AWESOME.... gtfo...

 

[LoveWhores]

Last time,when i play this game,i was available to every chapter from the saves before the one i played - this was until chapter 12! Now,when i start chapter 13 or 14, i need to start new game and can't press unload and continue from my saves before! I thing,i just will refuse to play this game again and delete her,don't want to start new game (even if its only for some chapter) when i don't know what decisions are made it then and they are probably not mine (probably are automatically from the game)!

 

[goobdoob]

I agree it is refreshing to have a different set of obstacles to overcome and its all about the execution of it. Just the sudden 180 attitude we as the player are met with. Its funny because Amanda even admits she doesn't trust or really like the aunt in the beginning and then BAM... MC garbage, Aunt Super AWESOME.... gtfo...

Maybe we should call the aunt Eric...

 

[Wraith2100]

For those of you who are talking about events that happen after chapter 14 please put it into spoilers. It is unfair of you to talk about "future" events!!!!

Thank you.

 

[Zed | Love-Joint]

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Well, the title is pretty self-explanatory. Heidi is in the player's bedroom. I wonder what will happen...
Let us know what you think about this image (it's obviously still work in progress).

 

[IAmTheGrim]

I bet they play checkers...

 

[Avaron1974]

Well, the title is pretty self-explanatory. Heidi is in the player's bedroom. I wonder what will happen...

She came round to tell us Kathy will be there in 10 minutes?

 

[Palmer]

I think that this whole Aunt shenanigan could have been an excellent twist to the story, but there are two major flaws. First, Palmer has just been dragging it out way too hard. There's too much filler and not enough problem solving, and the whole situation is way too irritating to leave it be for so long. Second, the way Amanda reacts to it is absurd. Sure, she might want to distance herself, but to outright leave and go live with her Aunt is just ridiculous. If I had an "Aunt" that just showed up in my life one day and told me that my father/mother was a criminal, I would tell them to fuck off and go get the answers from my parents, not from some random-ass lady that just inserted herself into my life. Not to mention that

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Then you obviously don't understand what Amanda has learned what the sister of her mother has told her about the MC. I'm guessing? Anyway, thanks for your feedback man!

 

[DrFog]

Then you obviously don't understand what Amanda has learned what the sister of her mother has told her about the MC. I'm guessing? Anyway, thanks for your feedback man!

You guessed wrong. I'm up to date, and I still don't think that Celia's bullshit should have been enough for Amanda to turn her back on her father at the drop of a pin like that. Hopefully you'll change my mind with the next episode, but as it stands now, Amanda is in the dog house.

 

[Palmer]

I agree it is refreshing to have a different set of obstacles to overcome and its all about the execution of it. Just the sudden 180 attitude we as the player are met with. Its funny because Amanda even admits she doesn't trust or really like the aunt in the beginning and then BAM... MC garbage, Aunt Super AWESOME.... gtfo...

Exactly. She's uncertain. Doesn't know who to trust and what to do. She handles it in her - young - way. We felt that was realistic and we like it. But hey, it's not for everyone.

 

[Palmer]

You guessed wrong. I'm up to date, and I still don't think that Celia's bullshit should have been enough for Amanda to turn her back on her father at the drop of a pin like that. Hopefully you'll change my mind with the next episode, but as it stands now, Amanda is in the dog house.

But she has not turned her back to him? Play Chapter 14 again. She's "in between". We feel that makes sense and realistic for a girl her age.

 

[DrFog]

But she has not turned her back to him? Play Chapter 14 again. She's "in between". We feel that makes sense and realistic for a girl her age.

Not completely, you're right, but for her to not talk to her father and go live with her Aunt just seems blown way out of proportion to me. She didn't even attempt to hear his version of events... You might be right, a young, naive girl with a melting pot of conflicting feelings might try to distance herself from the problem, but it has invariably annoyed me to a point where I don't really even care much about Amanda anymore. Hopefully she'll shape up and win me back over, but I doubt that's going to be the case, especially if MC ends up apologizing to her, and not the other way around. To be fair, Moe was also annoying the fuck out of me, but with the last episode, I've forgiven him more or less, so hopefully the same thing happens with Amanda.

 

[IAmTheGrim]

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[Palmer]

Not completely, you're right, but for her to not talk to her father and go live with her Aunt just seems blown way out of proportion to me. She didn't even attempt to hear his version of events... You might be right, a young, naive girl with a melting pot of conflicting feelings might try to distance herself from the problem, but it has invariably annoyed me to a point where I don't really even care much about Amanda anymore. Hopefully she'll shape up and win me back over, but I doubt that's going to be the case, especially if MC ends up apologizing to her, and not the other way around. To be fair, Moe was also annoying the fuck out of me, but with the last episode, I've forgiven him more or less, so hopefully the same thing happens with Amanda.

Not when you consider what her mother's sister tells her. But we have to agree to disagree. Regarding her listening to him? Play the later chapters. Thanks for the chat bud! Have a great evening and weekend!

 

[Avaron1974]

But she has not turned her back to him? Play Chapter 14 again. She's "in between". We feel that makes sense and realistic for a girl her age.

That's pretty much the problem.

While you have men that love to say they like younger women, what they don't want is to deal with their immature bullshit.

Now the issue is you've put a girl in the position to be hated by the people that prefer other characters. On top of that you've also highlighted the biggest issue of dating someone so young, they can't handle, well, anything.

People don't like dealing with other peoples shit. In a relationship, if this was to happen, some people would count their losses and move on.

The one major flaw of using young women in roles like this is they aren't ready for that kind of commitment. All this has shown is Amanda isn't ready to handle a relationship or deal with tough situations on her own.

To put it plainly, you've taken a character that was portrayed as happy, lively and loving and turned her into the kind of person some of us just don't have the patience to deal with.

As I said, it doesn't matter what the aunt says, what evidence she has hell, it wouldn't even matter if the MC was guilty of it. Amanda has kinda been pushed to the back of the girl queue by a few people here for characters they prefer. For some, she was never going to win against Heidi or Kathy and now with her acting like a child she's even further behind in the running with no way of her catching back up.

Which leaves the issue for some of us that can see where this is going, as it happens with all romance novels with "oh no, drama, oh yay we made it through" situations where you have the MC and Amanda live happily ever after while you have readers that are praying he ends up with one of the others.

While i'm not a writer so can't tell anyone how to do it properly one suggestion I would give out is, if you are going to make the main love interested have such a flawed personality that grates on some people .... make sure that MC doesn't have better options he could be going for because you can bet your arse your readers will be hoping he picks one of the others.

 

[DrFog]

Not when you consider what her mother's sister tells her.

I am.

Play the later chapters.

I have.

But we have to agree to disagree.

Sounds good.

 

[Palmer]

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But. Chapter 14? I seriously don't see the issue. There is a clear romantic and passionate relationship there. But the "issues" needs to be resolved, is what Amanda is thinking.

 

[TheKryptonian]

Exactly. She's uncertain. Doesn't know who to trust and what to do. She handles it in her - young - way. We felt that was realistic and we like it. But hey, it's not for everyone.

I don't understand when you say "uncertain" when its obvious she has already decided who she "trusts" and its not the MC.

 

[TheKryptonian]

That's pretty much the problem.

While you have men that love to say they like younger women, what they don't want is to deal with their immature bullshit.

Now the issue is you've put a girl in the position to be hated by the people that prefer other characters. On top of that you've also highlighted the biggest issue of dating someone so young, they can't handle, well, anything.

People don't like dealing with other peoples shit. In a relationship, if this was to happen, some people would count their losses and move on.

The one major flaw of using young women in roles like this is they aren't ready for that kind of commitment. All this has shown is Amanda isn't ready to handle a relationship or deal with tough situations on her own.

To put it plainly, you've taken a character that was portrayed as happy, lively and loving and turned her into the kind of person some of us just don't have the patience to deal with.

As I said, it doesn't matter what the aunt says, what evidence she has hell, it wouldn't even matter if the MC was guilty of it. Amanda has kinda been pushed to the back of the girl queue by a few people here for characters they prefer. For some, she was never going to win against Heidi or Kathy and now with her acting like a child she's even further behind in the running with no way of her catching back up.

Which leaves the issue for some of us that can see where this is going, as it happens with all romance novels with "oh no, drama, oh yay we made it through" situations where you have the MC and Amanda live happily ever after while you have readers that are praying he ends up with one of the others.

While i'm not a writer so can't tell anyone how to do it properly one suggestion I would give out is, if you are going to make the main love interested have such a flawed personality that grates on some people .... make sure that MC doesn't have better options he could be going for because you can bet your arse your readers will be hoping he picks one of the others.

You are 100% correct. The only reason I am still playing is to see how things turn out with Kathy and Heidi and hoping Amanda does come around and realizes she messed up by doubting the MC just so I can completely crush her for ever doubting the guy who fucking raised her when he had 0 obligations to do so.