VN Others Completed Daughter for Dessert [Ch. 19] [Palmer/Love-Joint]

[Alfius]

No Amanda bashing here story bashing yes.

I don't agree.

I have seen similar things to this happening countless times in RL. Some people have a paranoid personality and becomes suspicious over the smallest things. (Proven or unproven)

It's a character trait of Amanda that you do not like. Fair play to that. It's a character flaw of her that is definitely realistic.

Nothing wrong with the story. You liked her, and then she flipped on you that you don't like it and don't understand why. Feeling that the trust have been broken between you.This has happened to me in RL and I have seen it a number of times. It happens.

Does not mean you must like it. Avaron even said that she does not like it because her sister behaves like this.
This definitely happens in RL.

 

[Alfius]

Your missing the point... The fact that she wouldnt at least ask the MC about this new information wether its backed up by Moe or sleazy ass Saul and just go straight into MC hate mode is beyond stupid.

See this is where I differ from you. I don't think it's hate mode. I think it's back off until I figured it out mode.

It's like finding out your partner might be an axe murderer from the police. You want to give her the benifit of the doubt, but you might also want to distance yourself for a couple of days until you figured everything out in your mind.

 

[IAmTheGrim]

See this is where I differ from you. I don't think it's hate mode. I think it's back off until I figured it out mode.

It's like finding out your partner might be an axe murderer from the police. You want to give her the benifit of the doubt, but you might also want to distance yourself for a couple of days until you figured everything out in your mind.

But running and staying with the Aunt of all people...

 

[Alfius]

But running and staying with the Aunt of all people...

Does it ever say that she is staying with the Aunt? It's only been a couple of nights since it happened.
Did she not sleep in your place for one of the nights. I read it as she is in between places at the moment.

I might have missed it, but I'm not reading that she is staying with the aunt full time. She obviously lied to you few times about where she were. Since she is not ready to confront you yet.

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[bllahbllub]

Does it ever say that she is staying with the Aunt? It's only been a couple of nights since it happened.
Did she not sleep in your place for one of the nights. I read it as she is in between places at the moment.

I might have missed it, but I'm not reading that she is staying with the aunt full time. She obviously lied to you few times about where she were. Since she is not ready to confront you yet.

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Sure she has other friends to stay over night but i don't thing that she slept by friends... if i recall she was 2 nights in a row not home... she clearly lias about her studying and the job interview.
Why would she even spend time with her aunt if not to hear more shit storys about her Mother and Father... Her Mother was not a big fan of her family sure Amanda doesn't know it but that doesn't mean that Amanda never thought about the Family of her Mother and why nobody from her side was there to support her Father to raise a child/niece(Family).

 

[recatcher]

Lol this thread is so out of hand right now.

Conversations between people who've separately made up their minds tend to go that way heh.

 

[recatcher]

No Amanda bashing here story bashing yes.

She's been called childish, having a kids tantrum, just sticking around because she wants the d, and compared to stupid people who'll believe anything a stranger says.

 

[bllahbllub]

She's been called childish, having a kids tantrum, just sticking around because she wants the d, and compared to stupid people who'll believe anything a stranger says.

yeah because it didn't seemed to be her personality to be such a person... until the aunt showed up thats why i call it Story bashing.
Or did i get a wrong impression the first 10 chapters???

 

[recatcher]

Let me know when the story is dumped on for being childish or when the story just wants the D or is stupid enough to believe strangers because then it's story bashing

But yeah she's acting out of character, that's the point, that's why the MC is worried. The issue is big enough to shake her that way. And sure, not every single-parent child will do that, or whatever, but some would. And that's enough to make it possible that this one would. She's wrong to be swayed, and you know that and I know that, but she doesn't know that yet, that's the point of the story being told.

 

[bllahbllub]

Let me know when the story is dumped on for being childish or when the story just wants the D or is stupid enough to believe strangers because then it's story bashing

But yeah she's acting out of character, that's the point, that's why the MC is worried. The issue is big enough to shake her that way. And sure, not every single-parent child will do that, or whatever, but some would. And that's enough to make it possible that this one would. She's wrong to be swayed, and you know that and I know that, but she doesn't know that yet, that's the point of the story being told.

Yes you are right if it would be for a reason and as far as a know the reason why she acts out of character is just stupid!!

 

[Walg]

Yes you are right if it would be for a reason and as far as a know the reason why she acts out of character is just stupid!!

I just love how this has blown up in the same way AL blew up virtually on similar topics.

 

[bllahbllub]

I just love how this has blown up in the same way AL blew up virtually on similar topics.

why not if we write nothing that's harmful or insulting to the creator/dev or the opposed opinion then it's totally fine by me.

 

[recatcher]

Yes you are right if it would be for a reason and as far as a know the reason why she acts out of character is just stupid!!

and that's the end of that non-conversation.

 

[Walg]

why not if we write nothing that's harmful or insulting to the creator/dev or the opposed opinion then it's totally fine by me.

It's also a matter of interpretation too. You might not think it's harmful but to @Palmer or others, it might be seen that way.

The way I see it, it's partly a matter of foreshadowing and partly a matter of character development both issues that were talked about extensively in AL. Since you guys have beaten it to death, I'm just going to sit this one out.

 

[JoeSte91]

What I find hilarious and frustrating is while Amanda is basically ghosting her father, Moe is the one who seems more conflicted and actually tries to convey his indecision to the MC, by saying something about a moral dilemma that he can't tell the MC about fully. That seems backwards. Moe should be the one giving the MC the cold shoulder, and Amanda should be the one being conflicted by wanting to come to her father about this issue but feeling unable to do so without revealing everything. But we've seen nothing of that. It seems that she can't stand to even be in the same room as him. And again, no, sex doesn't cut it. If she's going to run hot and cold, it would have to be consistent, and at present it's an outlier.

The problem isn't that Amanda is turning against her father at all or even that the aunt is capable of breaking them up. But how it has been handled has felt like a misstep. Even if the aunt presented her with proof, even if Moe supported it, I find it difficult to believe that Amanda wouldn't at least want to get a sense whether her father was hiding something, rather than backing off entirely as step 1. Maybe she tries to talk to the MC but he's always busy training Lily, and then she finds out about the date with heidi or the Lily kiss, and then decides that maybe she can't trust him as much as she thought and begins to trust her aunt instead. And maybe, if we ever get a chapter from Amanda's perspective, that all might be true, except for two things 1- she never tried to talk to the MC in the first instance, and 2- if the player chooses not to date heidi or kiss lily (like I didn't), Amanda has no reason not to trust her father.

 

[Walg]

What I find hilarious and frustrating is while Amanda is basically ghosting her father, Moe is the one who seems more conflicted and actually tries to convey his indecision to the MC, by saying something about a moral dilemma that he can't tell the MC about fully. That seems backwards. Moe should be the one giving the MC the cold shoulder, and Amanda should be the one being conflicted by wanting to come to her father about this issue but feeling unable to do so without revealing everything. But we've seen nothing of that. It seems that she can't stand to even be in the same room as him. And again, no, sex doesn't cut it. If she's going to run hot and cold, it would have to be consistent, and at present it's an outlier.

The problem isn't that Amanda is turning against her father at all or even that the aunt is capable of breaking them up. But how it has been handled has felt like a misstep. Even if the aunt presented her with proof, even if Moe supported it, I find it difficult to believe that Amanda wouldn't at least want to get a sense whether her father was hiding something, rather than backing off entirely as step 1. Maybe she tries to talk to the MC but he's always busy training Lily, and then she finds out about the date with heidi or the Lily kiss, and then decides that maybe she can't trust him as much as she thought and begins to trust her aunt instead. And maybe, if we ever get a chapter from Amanda's perspective, that all might be true, except for two things 1- she never tried to talk to the MC in the first instance, and 2- if the player chooses not to date heidi or kiss lily (like I didn't), Amanda has no reason not to trust her father.

The way I see it, it's partly a matter of foreshadowing and partly a matter of character development both issues that were talked about extensively in AL.

 

[Turret]

Oh well, after having played to game as far as I can for the moment, I see why ch. 13/14 are so discussed.
While I think that the aunt conflict has potential and that she can in some branches seperate Father and Daughter, it´s implementation went horribly wrong.
Even accounting for late-teenager behaviour, what we see in 13/14 comes across as character assassination. Amanda going this cold and petty, starting to live in the house of an a... aunt is such a character flaw which should at least have "Chekoved" well before. But the Amanda we knew from the former chapters is a rather grown-up person, bringing the Diner back into the black numbers.
As it stands now Amanda is believing a person who openly wants to ruin the MC at all costs, gave a ... about Amanda for 18 years and had long enough time to fabricate stuff.
@Palmer states end-teenage behaviour as a big reason for that, but as I wrote before that is not enough, esp. with the Amanda we know. Even the mindfuck teenager emotions can be, how amanda behaves is not fitting.
She does not ask the MC about his side of the story, she went cold and standoffish within the drop of a hat (and no that single sex scene in 14 is too little and comes off as an outlier)...
As I said, the idea of the aunt conflict is good, but how it was implemented was not the best, that is at least my opinion.

 

[TheKryptonian]

I think this dead horse could definately handle a lot more beating =)

But ill give credit where credit is do. The writers did such a good job developing the Amanda character that if feels like a betrayal to the player not just MC.

Continue with the beatings =)

 

[TheKryptonian]

Let me ask the Amanda supporters a question.

How does she explain to her father/lover that she even questioned wether he was indeed guilty of the thing her aunt is telling her that he has done. How do you ever come back from believing your father/lover was capable of keeping up the lie for so many years? Its hard to not slip up for 18 years...

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

None of that is her opinion, that's her aunts opinion pushed onto her.

She's backed off because she has no opinion of her own and doesn't know what to think.

The problem with your last statement is she's still getting that D. So this money stealing, mother killing arsehole is still railing her pussy.

Not only does she carry on with the kids tantrum she still wants her lolly pop at the end of the day.

Let me ask the Amanda supporters a question.

How does she explain to her father/lover that she even questioned wether he was indeed guilty of the thing her aunt is telling her that he has done. How do you ever come back from believing your father/lover was capable of keeping up the lie for so many years? Its hard to not slip up for 18 years...

Amanda was "lollipop"-deficent . case closed