VN Others Completed Daughter for Dessert [Ch. 19] [Palmer/Love-Joint]

[Palmer]

Since you didn't actually say what you're referring to, I can only assume that you mean what I said about admitting the 6-8 week goal was too aggressive. If that's the case then it's irrelevant. The backlash that I described took place on the official blog so apparently that message didn't make it to those users.

- Look, we are releasing our games for free. The times can vary, as I have now stated on several occasions. We approximate 4-6 weeks for every free release. Sometimes that doesn't work out due to our small dev team and one coder. I'm sorry we are sometimes "late" on these releases.

Why did you feel the need to state this and bold it? The trolling was not random and very much related to the outrage in the blog comments at the time. Yes, clearly you would remove it, but if you're actually sincere about accepting criticism then don't just dismiss it out of hand when there was clearly a reason behind it.

- The bold was removed 5 minutes after the post was made. Trolling is not constructive criticism. It's bullshit, which we don't want. Leave constructive criticism instead if there's something you don't like, and so we can improve the game. A lot of that negative criticism has made it into our games. Actually a lot of it has. Trolling will never be accepted. Whatever you release, there will always be trolling. It doesn't matter how good the game is. But, this is our blog, and we set the rules. Bullshit is not acceptable comments on our site. It's as simple as that.


What? Please tell me there's something lost in translation here... You and Z were saying 6-8 weeks after the Patreon release for free releases for pretty much the entire project lifetime of DFD up until at least chapter 14. Are you really going to say that you never said that? I even gave you screenshots of quotes stating such the last time you replied to me on this very thread.

- Again, approximately. Sometimes it's delayed due to various reason, for instance when I was in a coma for 3 days and had to spend 8 days at the hospital with two brain hemorrhages. Or if something weird in the code shows up that we can't solve, etc.

Why are you so focused on these times? You are getting it for free. If you want everything we've done it will cost you $10. That's one hamburger. If you want the bonus stuff, that's two hamburgers, for work we've done over 2 years. And you get all of it.

I understand your irritation about this, but I think you are taking it way too far. It's free. You don't pay, and I'm sorry you feel this way. We are doing our best every single month. I usually work 18 hours a day. I haven't taken a single vacation since we started our Patreon. I'm never unavailable. I seriously don't see the issue here

 

[Palmer]

If the community expectation is wrong, you should address it, even though you haven't provided schedules.

Please read my previous replies. We have for a very long time said: "There is no ETA". I think that qualifies as addressing it, no?

 

[BlazR]

So, the community expectation is wrong. It's always stated that there is no time frame for free releases. It's ready when it's ready. If you want it now, then become a Patron. They try to do it as quickly as possible. Having expectations for free content is pretty fuckin pretentious and quite a bit ungrateful IMO.

 

[Cetarin]

- Again, approximately. Sometimes it's delayed due to various reason, for instance when I was in a coma for 3 days and had to spend 8 days at the hospital with two brain hemorrhages. Or if something weird in the code shows up that we can't solve, etc.

Why are you so focused on these times? You are getting it for free. If you want everything we've done it will cost you $10. That's one hamburger. If you want the bonus stuff, that's two hamburgers, for work we've done over 2 years. And you get all of it.

I understand your irritation about this, but I think you are taking it way too far. It's free. You don't pay, and I'm sorry you feel this way. We are doing our best every single month. I usually work 18 hours a day. I haven't taken a single vacation since we started our Patreon. I'm never unavailable. I seriously don't see the issue here

You're not understanding what I'm saying and you are reading far more into my posts than what I've said. I am not complaining about your free release schedule. I have never complained about late free releases on any of your forums. I am explaining why people were upset way back in October through December of last year and January early this year. That's it. I am not talking about chapter 19's delay in either of my posts that you just replied to. It was mentioned as an ancillary fact because it was relevant but no more than that. The delay times, in general, were why people were upset back then, so yes I focused on them for the explanation.

In fact, I have gone out of my way to post your release schedule for DFD and DH to show that your team does a good job and is very punctual for Patreon releases. I think it's worth pointing out developers that have good, reliable Patreon release schedules because some that can be found on this site are less reliable.


In closing, here's some more constructive criticism:

In my opinion, it's exactly these types of defensive responses where you refuse that you have even maybe been wrong in the past that rub people the wrong way. You say you want criticism, but then you form your own opinion about what the critic is saying and reject it as being completely wrong and you being completely right when it's given. This is in regard to your postings that I've seen here in this thread and on the official blog.

That's my opinion. Take it for what you will, or don't, I don't really care. I'm just pointing out what I see.

 

[Palmer]

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You're not understanding what I'm saying and you are reading far more into my posts than what I've said. I am not complaining about your free release schedule. I have never complained about late free releases on any of your forums. I am explaining why people were upset way back in October through December of last year and January early this year. That's it. I am not talking about chapter 19's delay in either of my posts that you just replied to. It was mentioned as an ancillary fact because it was relevant but no more than that. The delay times, in general, were why people were upset back then, so yes I focused on them for the explanation.

In fact, I have gone out of my way to post your release schedule for DFD and DH to show that your team does a good job and is very punctual for Patreon releases. I think it's worth pointing out developers that have good, reliable Patreon release schedules because some that can be found on this site are less reliable.


In closing, here's some more constructive criticism:

In my opinion, it's exactly these types of defensive responses where you refuse that you have even maybe been wrong in the past that rub people the wrong way. You say you want criticism, but then you form your own opinion about what the critic is saying and reject it as being completely wrong and you being completely right when it's given. This is in regard to your postings that I've seen here in this thread and on the official blog.

That's my opinion. Take it for what you will, or don't, I don't really care. I'm just pointing out what I see.

Then I obviously misunderstood you and apologize for that. Sometimes things tend to go wrong when you're close to 50 hours awake. This was obviously one of those cases I might have confused your post with somebody else's or something. We do get a lot of unnecessary bs here. Regardless, I apologize.

Regarding your criticism:
I don't agree that it's a defensive response when I'm simply stating facts. Of course I have been wrong in the past! Many times in fact. We have had meetings four days in a row now. I can't even count the number of times I've been wrong. If you can't admit that you are wrong, or you can't apologize when needed, you should rethink your priorities.

Thanks for your post and take care man!

 

[Ed B]

Since you didn't actually say what you're referring to, I can only assume that you mean what I said about admitting the 6-8 week goal was too aggressive. If that's the case then it's irrelevant. The backlash that I described took place on the official blog so apparently that message didn't make it to those users.


Why did you feel the need to state this and bold it? The trolling was not random and very much related to the outrage in the blog comments at the time. Yes, clearly you would remove it, but if you're actually sincere about accepting criticism then don't just dismiss it out of hand when there was clearly a reason behind it.


What? Please tell me there's something lost in translation here... You and Z were saying 6-8 weeks after the Patreon release for free releases for pretty much the entire project lifetime of DFD up until at least chapter 14. Are you really going to say that you never said that? I even gave you screenshots of quotes stating such the last time you replied to me on this very thread.

I meant that Palmer is always updating Discord and letting times and events known

 

[Ed B]

Honestly....My hats off to Palmer for at least responding to a community where his game has been CRACKED and pirated.
If I would of been a Dev and came on here and saw all the crying and whining about not getting it "free" I would of pulled a FUCK IT and wouldn't of released it at all to non-subscribed

 

[Morpheus668]

If you want everything we've done it will cost you $10. That's one hamburger.

$10 for one burger?!?!?!
da fuq?!?!
where you getting your burgers from? Kuma's Corner?
bloody hell...

 

[cxx]

Hi, does this popular game missing some tags like
"bdsm", "rape", "ntr", "corruption'', "spanking" and "milf"?

no, no, no, no (in sexual way), no and no.

 

[Palmer]

We are working on coding the free version of DFD19 as I speak. As I have said before, we're truly sorry for those of you that waited so long for DFD19, so we have decided to include all four epilogues and cheat codes to the chapter as well, so you will get everything we have. We will let you know when it's available for online/offline play, which will be soon.

Take care guys and have a great weekend.

 

[Ed B]

$10 for one burger?!?!?!
da fuq?!?!
where you getting your burgers from? Kuma's Corner?
bloody hell...

That's actually not bad for a half decent burger around here lol

 

[Gamer_Dan92]

So are we ever going to get the last few such as the epilogues for the girls?

 

[Zed | Love-Joint]

So are we ever going to get the last few such as the epilogues for the girls?

As Palmer just said, we’re including all four epilogues with the free release of CH19!

 

[Raerngaming]

at the end of chapter 9 where that woman comes in and says she there to take her niece home, There is a few problems with that first off as she is 18 years old she is an adult so she can not force her to go anywhere. She also would have to prove she is her aunt and then the next question is where was she for 18 years? Why did she not come sooner to take her niece home. That is just to get started with that I taking my niece home scene. Not complaining it just feels like a huge stretch to me. So far I am enjoying the story up to that point. than I was like what really now.

 

[JoeSte91]

I probably wouldn't care about the delays and updates if the attitude about criticism of the daughter's story/portrayal had been better. There are plenty of games on here that have long turnover between updates and I don't mind. I just wait or play something else in the meantime. But the attitude towards any and all criticism of the daughter's story has been either stonewalled or outright dismissed which doesn't foster much trust when they then turn around and say the update has been delayed and will be released soon every few months.

Like, okay, you have one coder. But the delays started long before DH was released, and once DH was released, why did it become the priority? And it has, since it keeps getting free releases while Chapter 19 hasn't. What's the reason that DH couldn't have been pushed back while you focused on getting Chapter 19 out? You could have done it earlier and released it without the epilogues. Not to mention you then turned around and tried to argue that the free releases of DH don't affect DFD earlier in this thread, but it's all just doublespeak to avoid scrutiny for your business model.

People might call us ingrates for complaining about a free release. If this were actually being ripped from somewhere then I'd concede that point. But this is your business model, to make games, offer early release for money and release later for free. If you start that third part in a timely manner and then begin to slack off either you're failing or your business model is. Maybe you just don't have the capacity to run two games at once. I appreciate that you've stopped giving exact estimates, but it doesn't really matter. If you design a game or a chapter and take several months to make it free, you can't really get surprised when people get tired of waiting.

 

[ZenGarden]

We are working on coding the free version of DFD19 as I speak. As I have said before, we're truly sorry for those of you that waited so long for DFD19, so we have decided to include all four epilogues and cheat codes to the chapter as well, so you will get everything we have. We will let you know when it's available for online/offline play, which will be soon.

Take care guys and have a great weekend.

So, just to be open, what do you have to 'code' to release the game for free? You are either releasing 'the game' for free, OR you are releasing 'what you are willing to release' for free. If it's the former, you have nothing to code. You LITERALLY just have to open the endpoint on your website for the game.

If it's the latter, then you are NOT releasing 'the game' for free, but a modified version wherein only you know what you have removed/modified.

I find your attempts to over-complicate this process laughable, hiding behind a process that most of your audience knows is one-tenth of one percent as difficult as you make it sound.

Be honest and release 'the game', or stop promising what you are not delivering.

And by the way, where do you live that a burger is only 10$? Even fast food burgers are more than that now in the United States, much less one you would actually WANT to eat.

 

[Palmer]

I find your attempts to over-complicate this process laughable, hiding behind a process that most of your audience knows is one-tenth of one percent as difficult as you make it sound.

Sorry you feel that way. The epilogues were released as standalone online games for Patreon, using a modified version of GML and our own code (resembles C#) that makes up our engine. I am not the coder so I don't know the exact details, but we made this decision earlier today and our programmer said it would take at least two really long days to do, maybe even more. So it's obviously a bit more complicated than you think.

We have absolutely no reason to delay the free release a couple of days, instead we decided to give all people - who don't want to, or can't afford to become patrons - the ability to get all epilogues, and cheat codes in one singe game instead that is also downloadable. Since a lot of people are upset we released DH for free instead of DFD19, we decided to throw all content related to DFD19 into one free game. It is obviously the right decision. Hopefully we can agree on that

Where I live, a proper burger is $10 btw. I'm glad you brought that up so I could clarify it.

Have an awesome weekend man.

 

[BlazR]

Criticism of the process to release a game to people for free. Big brain time. It takes time and money to produce it. The fact that they release it for free is admirable. Then people sit around and bitch because it isn't done on their time frame or in the way they want. What a bunch of assholes.

 

[Palmer]

People might call us ingrates for complaining about a free release.

Please complain as much as you want. It helps us to improve e.g. our release schedule for our free games. Thank you for your criticism, and have a great weekend.

 

[JoeSte91]

Criticism of the process to release a game to people for free. Big brain time. It takes time and money to produce it. The fact that they release it for free is admirable. Then people sit around and bitch because it isn't done on their time frame or in the way they want. What a bunch of assholes.

Yeah, don't think, just consume. Just be happy with what you get. Don't hold them to any kind of standard. That's just ingratitude.