Ren'Py Abandoned Deeper [v2.1_b96a] [Thundorn Games]

[Thundorn]

Lots of information and posts to read. Thank you for all the feedback I have looked into the issues that people have posted about and resolved them and will be uploading v0.0.32 hopefully later today or early tomorrow.

I am very grateful for everyone being so understanding of the game being in it's early stages and thanks to @DragonWrath for being so active. It allows me to concentrate on coding.

Just to respond to one statement about why I am using renpy to create a unity game.

Renpy itself has all the framework to create a game like Big Brother or MOTH, it's just that renpy is perceived to be the "easy" method to create a game and so it attracts more people who just want to make a fast buck on Patreon and hardly anyone who uses it uses it's full potential, certainly not in the adult games that I have played. Awesome games like Summertime Saga and SuperPowered use renpy and they have a lot more functionality than a game like Mother seduction, Blooming Love or Dual family which are basic visual novels. I've had similar discussions with people who argue that BB and MOTH should have just been created using renpy since it is more suited to their content, so the debate could go either way.

As for the eyebrow comments about Shelly.. Have you looked on Instagram lately?

Laura seems to be developing a bit of a fan base which is good. I was concerned at the amount of negativity around there being a transgender character in Deeper so it is nice to see some positive comments about her.

 

[wswsqa]

where do i find fertilizer

 

[Thundorn]

where do i find fertilizer

You can purchase all the farming supplies you need from G n Q agriculture. The info text in the store will tell you which items deal with fertilizer

 

[Razielprince]

Found this error

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/functions.rpy", line 97, in <module>
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1532, in execute
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1532, in execute
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1880, in execute
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1881, in execute
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1884, in execute
  File "game/vars.rpy", line 228, in LiveEvent
IndexError: list index out of range

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "script.rpyc", line 48, in script call
  File "mainloop.rpyc", line 4, in script call
  File "mainloop.rpyc", line 16, in script call
  File "functions.rpyc", line 97, in script
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 848, in execute
    renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1812, in py_exec_bytecode
    exec bytecode in globals, locals
  File "game/functions.rpy", line 97, in <module>
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\exports.py", line 2655, in call_screen
    rv = renpy.ui.interact(mouse="screen", type="screen", roll_forward=roll_forward)
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\ui.py", line 287, in interact
    rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2624, in interact
    repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2999, in interact_core
    root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 511, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback)
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 511, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback)
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 511, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback)
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\display\screen.py", line 401, in visit_all
    callback(self)
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2999, in <lambda>
    root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\display\screen.py", line 411, in per_interact
    self.update()
  File "D:\NROP Games\Deeper-0.0.31-pc\renpy\display\screen.py", line 592, in update
    self.screen.function(**self.scope)
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1532, in execute
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1532, in execute
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1880, in execute
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1881, in execute
  File "game/screens.rpy", line 1884, in execute
  File "<screen language>", line 1884, in <module>
  File "game/vars.rpy", line 228, in LiveEvent
IndexError: list index out of range

Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 6.99.14.1.3218
Deeper 0.0.31
Sun Apr 08 13:10:51 2018

 

[MotorcycleU]

I have been trying to play this game for the past 3 hrs. I have tried the hotfix method & the unren.bat method. Neither prevent the game from getting into an error loop after try to leave shower when peek on mom. it goes to main room with text to never mind or there is a lot of steam. click & then goes into error mode

 

[DragonWrath]

Lots of information and posts to read. Thank you for all the feedback I have looked into the issues that people have posted about and resolved them and will be uploading v0.0.32 hopefully later today or early tomorrow.

Awesome, I know I'm looking forward to it.

I am very grateful for everyone being so understanding of the game being in it's early stages and thanks to @DragonWrath for being so active. It allows me to concentrate on coding.

No problem. Thanks for the shout out but no need as I'm just happy to be of help and occasionally share opinions/thoughts.

Just to respond to one statement about why I am using renpy to create a unity game.

Renpy itself has all the framework to create a game like Big Brother or MOTH, it's just that renpy is perceived to be the "easy" method to create a game and so it attracts more people who just want to make a fast buck on Patreon and hardly anyone who uses it uses it's full potential, certainly not in the adult games that I have played. Awesome games like Summertime Saga and SuperPowered use renpy and they have a lot more functionality than a game like Mother seduction, Blooming Love or Dual family which are basic visual novels. I've had similar discussions with people who argue that BB and MOTH should have just been created using renpy since it is more suited to their content, so the debate could go either way.

This ^, that right there. I agree with that a lot with one minor stipulation and that is for Man of the House (I follow that one pretty closely). True that while it could be created in Ren'Py, not sure what it is about that game but it just feels "right" that it's on Unity though I can't put my finger on why exactly, it's the same kind of feeling I get about your game being on Ren'Py instead of Unity. Though I do have to admit that I miss being able to activate rollbacks and having pages and pages of save slots. 2 other things I wanted to point out as well which is that while not all choose ren'py for the quick buck, there definitely have been quite a few that do. The other thing is that Mother Seduction is actually meant to be a visual novel (as is dual family but to a lesser extent) so it's not really fair to try and compare those to games like Summertime Saga or SuperPowered as they are extremely different games by their very nature. You'd be better off comparing Summertime Saga and Superpowered to say Amazon's Island; The Library Story; Lust and Power; School, Love & Friends (even though that's not ren'py, it's weirdly trying really hard to emulate ren'py to such an an extent that it's really weird which... Just makes me raise my eyebrow in confusion and ask "... why not just use ren'py? ?" but I digress). The other games I listed all use ren'py but are not visual novel style games and really don't use ren'py to even a 1/10th of it's potential (might be closer to 1/50th or 1/100th), not to mention are just unfriendly to play. However, that's just my personal opinion.

Speaking of save slots... I do hope you eventually double (or even triple) the number of save slots in your game, ESPECIALLY since you have rollback disabled by default. I tend to use 1 save slot until I hit upon an unrepeatable scene (so that I can always go back and re-view that scene again) or when there's a choice that I'm not sure how it will affect the story/events, then I move to the next save slot ... With only 3 per page, one will run out of save slots really fast, especially once more content gets added.

Laura seems to be developing a bit of a fan base which is good. I was concerned at the amount of negativity around there being a transgender character in Deeper so it is nice to see some positive comments about her.

I'm not into transsexuals myself but I like her character. I've never had an issue with transsexuals though I have to admit that she is one of the sexier ones I've seen, not to to mention that I rather like her personality. She doesn't beat around the bush, is quite honest and straight forward, and not a total ass/bitch. She's a pretty likable character to me (and I noticed that she's yet to fall into any stereotypes concerning transsexuals... at least not that I've personally noticed which is a plus).

 

[DragonWrath]

I have been trying to play this game for the past 3 hrs. I have tried the hotfix method & the unren.bat method. Neither prevent the game from getting into an error loop after try to leave shower when peek on mom. it goes to main room with text to never mind or there is a lot of steam. click & then goes into error mode

It's been mentioned several times by several people (including myself) that that scene has an inescapable error loop once if you choose any option other than "nevermind" when it starts. If you start that event then there is no way to get out of the error loop unless you enabled rollback and do so (all the way back to right before it started) or load a save unfortunately.

@Thundorn has mentioned (4 posts before yours) that he has fixed/resolved a lot (if not all) of the errors found so far and will be uploaded the fixed version of the game either later today or tomorrow. Hoping that one is fixed (it should be) as well but we'll have to wait to find out.

 

[MotorcycleU]

ah. Then those are the few posts I missed in looking things over. Since it worked for me in previous version I had no reason to suspect it was now a problem

 

[DragonWrath]

ah. Then those are the few posts I missed in looking things over. Since it worked for me in previous version I had no reason to suspect it was now a problem

No problem. It's easy to miss things sometimes (or simply not wanting to read the last few pages because sometimes they are filled with stupid bs/repeated questions that had already been answered several times over... especially on the larger threads like big brother, Dating my Daughter, teacher's pet, etc... so I understand lol).

As for the steam shower event... I played the last build (v0.0.2) and I remember the peeping scene but as I recall, there was no shower scene involving steam. I'm pretty sure that's new to build 0.0.3 of the game. I'm looking forward to the continuation of that scene for sure myself (though the unpacked images show nothing else other than that first image..... yet lol). I also really love the mom in that school event scene and I have to say that I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing continuations of her (as well as the sis) in future builds once Thundorn gets the engine framework closer where he wants it. I'm definitely keeping my eye on this game, that is for sure.

 

[Major Wanker]

Will wait for fixed version then. Honestly this could be good and well worth me supporting. But honestly get some damn bug testers. Buggy releases result in you gaining a bad reputation and thats extremely damaging for a dev. And would hate to see this game die

 

[DragonWrath]

But honestly get some damn bug testers.

... Isn't that ultimately what we are considering we are always getting/playing games in extremely early stages of their development? x'D

But yeah, it can be... that's why I've been doing a little bit of "damage control" in a sense and reminding people multiple times that @Thundorn is not only a new dev creating his first game, the game is not a minimalistic VN but rather a potentially massive sandbox on the level of some of the bigger ones. Mistakes are to be expected and rather than people bitching about them, it would help him (and themselves) if they just report their issues and errors. I'd understand some of the reactions if this was supposed to be a complete game but they seem to forget that it's not (not even close), not to mention that it's just him.

With that said, considering the history of super buggy, milked, and abandoned games, I can understand why people get upset and yes, it can hurt a dev's image... But people need to remember that he's new (not someone that released several broken/abandoned games already) and we all must learn to crawl before we can walk which includes making mistakes. Part of why I rarely comment/post on threads anymore, it's like fighting a solid steel wall of unrealistic expectations/entitlements.

Another note: Yes, bad early development can hurt a dev's EARLY image... What we should really judge though isn't the early in-progress and incomplete works, but rather the completed (or late in development) products because everything starts out in a rough form and requires a lot of work (such as judging a house before it's build or a toothpick while it's still in lumber/tree form). My personal opinion of this game is that it has a lot of issues and very little content as of yet, however I can see the framework and it's potential, so I am choosing to (try and) have no rushed judgements while keeping my expectations realistic/low for the time being and am waiting to see what it will become first... It definitely has my attention though.

 

[Major Wanker]

... Isn't that ultimately what we are considering we are always getting/playing games in extremely early stages of their development? x'D

But yeah, it can be... that's why I've been doing a little bit of "damage control" in a sense and reminding people multiple times that @Thundorn is not only a new dev creating his first game, the game is not a minimalistic VN but rather a potentially massive sandbox on the level of some of the bigger ones. Mistakes are to be expected and rather than people bitching about them, it would help him (and themselves) if they just report their issues and errors. I'd understand some of the reactions if this was supposed to be a complete game but they seem to forget that it's not (not even close), not to mention that it's just him.

With that said, considering the history of super buggy, milked, and abandoned games, I can understand why people get upset and yes, it can hurt a dev's image... But people need to remember that he's new (not someone that released several broken/abandoned games already) and we all must learn to crawl before we can walk which includes making mistakes. Part of why I rarely comment/post on threads anymore, it's like fighting a solid steel wall of unrealistic expectations/entitlements.

Another note: Yes, bad early development can hurt a dev's EARLY image... What we should really judge though isn't the early in-progress and incomplete works, but rather the completed (or late in development) products because everything starts out in a rough form and requires a lot of work (such as judging a house before it's build or a toothpick while it's still in lumber form). My personal opinion of this game is that it has a lot of issues and very little content as of yet, however I can see the framework and it's potential, so I am choosing to (try and) have no rushed judgements while keeping my expectations realistic/low for the time being and am waiting to see what it will become first... It definitely has my attention though.

I moderate discord and bug test for a number of devs any help the dev needs im here to help. And @Thundorn i will pledge immediately.

 

[DragonWrath]

I moderate discord and bug test for a number of devs any help the dev needs im here to help. And @Thundorn i will pledge immediately.

Nice! Very glad that you offered that. Seeing that kind of thing is what makes me happy to be a part of f95 (even if it's mostly in the background/lurking role the majority of the time lol). I'll also volunteer if you need more bug-testers @Thundorn as I'm rather interested in your game... My only stipulation is that I have a list of things that are supposed to be in the game (not a walkthrough, just an "x triggers y after z amount of time" type of thing) so that I can figure out if they are working or not (such as knowing when/how certain events trigger, etc). Without a list like that, the only thing I could do is report errors, continuity issues (like sis shower while supposed to be in hospital), spelling/grammar (if I notice them), or just general issues that may or may not occur.

 

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I started a new game deleted all old saves and before the game started I met the above scene so I killed the game and tried again and this time I get the scene D from DmD and then any tries after that I get this scene at the start of the game on new game. Not sure why this crap is firing off in the wrong order for but you might want to check and see what might be going on.

All of this is firing off before the *the content that follows is fictional* which shouldn't be happening.

I also wanted to point out that it's annoying if you want to buy more then one thing and the thing is at the bottom of the list as it moves the list back to the top when you buy something maybe make to where it doesn't do that or allow a person to buy items in groups.

 

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The game still give an exception error at the book for me. Started yet another new game, and then got the "this is not how it works" when tried to click the book.

 

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[myuhinny]

If you buy 6 lettuce and plant 6 if you keep clicking on the empty plots he'll keep pulling lettuce seeds out of his ass and keep planting them even though they no longer have anymore seeds left.

 

[Hercule_Poirot]

What can I say about this game? After having read the synopsis, I thought this was probably going to be yet another of those games where scumbags take advantage of the MC's situation, and maybe one of those opportunities could develop into a better or even worst future for his whole family. I thought that the MC's backstory was going to be just a mere afterthought, and most likely, an excuse to justify the MC's actions, however, that wasn't the case. The backstory of the MC and his family felt more realistic, and maybe even depressing, which is kind of strange for a porn game, but then appeared Laura. An npc which made me look at this game in a positive light. Suddenly, the NPC's dire situation didn't seem so fucked up, because she appeared to genuinely care about the MC's situation and wanted to lend a hand. I get that she's not what most of us expected, I personally don't care about her not so well kept secret, because she has proven to be a pretty decent person, and in that short scene, the MC learnt to be a little more open minded. All in all, I think things are starting looking up for the MC's family.

 

[Hercule_Poirot]

If you buy 6 lettuce and plant 6 if you keep clicking on the empty plots he'll keep pulling lettuce seeds out of his ass and keep planting them even though they no longer have anymore seeds left.

That seems like a great party trick, MWAHAHA!!!