Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.16b] [Zetan]

[Yngling]

While I am not against that, it is definitely NTR. The MC is very dominant and this would be someone "using his property" without permission. If he were there it would be another matter entirely (like the option to share his other daughter).

NTR is just some weird Japanese acronym that everyone interprets differently.

In context of the game, I think Shani is *not* the MC's property for two reasons:
1) She is the 2nd MC so the player can choose what she does (within limits obviously)
2) Shani was raised to become a stalker. Ain was raised to be a wife / pet / bedwarmer. Ain is clearly the Zaton's property, either to use or to give away, but Shani isn't.

 

[Hildegardt]

Shani collecting dick... no thanks...

She could tie them into a disturbing necklace.

 

[JaxMan]

NTR is just some weird Japanese acronym that everyone interprets differently.

In context of the game, I think Shani is *not* the MC's property for two reasons:
1) She is the 2nd MC so the player can choose what she does (within limits obviously)
2) Shani was raised to become a stalker. Ain was raised to be a wife / pet / bedwarmer. Ain is clearly the Zaton's property, either to use or to give away, but Shani isn't.

Ain isn't property. As with his wife and daughters he is the head of household and master and they are completely submissive to him. He treats each as individuals with their different talents, desires and place in the household. He has been preparing Ain and Shani for their future in the world based on what he considers will be best for them based on their talents and abilities.

 

[Machete]

Based on how everything is setup already, I'd be surprised if Shani were to start collecting dick. Everything Z's girls do, they do so with his permission/orders. But you never know... Either way, it will always be player's choice how things pan out.

I kinda started to "sweat" when Shani met the guy in the zone. At this point we'll be controlling Shani and her choices, so it's pretty much going to be up to us. But i'm very curious to see if there will be option for her to go with men. That would be quite a gutsy choice by the devs. With women... i think the game kinda already set this up with the queen's audition scene. There was a sexual tension between the girls.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I kinda started to "sweat" when Shani met the guy in the zone. At this point we'll be controlling Shani and her choices, so it's pretty much going to be up to us. But i'm very curious to see if there will be option for her to go with men. That would be quite a gutsy choice by the devs. With women... i think the game kinda already set this up with the queen's audition scene. There was a sexual tension between the girls.

I have no problem with Shani being with other men, myself, and the devs have been pretty upfront about sharing content in this game and how it will always be player choice. For me, though, it just didn't seem likely that shortly after finally getting what she wanted with Z before she entered the zone, that she'd be in a big hurry to slut around. It just doesn't fit the rest of the story. Sure, she is a protagonist, but I think if she does anything, it would be more like using her feminine wiles as a distraction (as hinted by her trainer). Either way, whatever they decide, I'm on board with it as long as it make sense/fits the narrative so far.

 

[Machete]

I have no problem with Shani being with other men, myself, and the devs have been pretty upfront about sharing content in this game and how it will always be player choice. For me, though, it just didn't seem likely that shortly after finally getting what she wanted with Z before she entered the zone, that she'd be in a big hurry to slut around. It just doesn't fit the rest of the story. Sure, she is a protagonist, but I think if she does anything, it would be more like using her feminine wiles as a distraction (as hinted by her trainer). Either way, whatever they decide, I'm on board with it as long as it make sense/fits the narrative so far.

Well, i didn't expect the scene to be like "Hi! I can't help but to notice you have a penis... Let's fuck at once!" but it could have been the begin of a build up of a few adventures.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Well, i didn't expect the scene to be like "Hi! I can't help but to notice you have a penis... Let's fuck at once!" but it could have been the begin of a build up of a few adventures.

Indeed. I like how it played out, though. I totally was not expecting him to be deaded right away. Good shit, there.

 

[Absurdity]

Is there any way to upgrade from 10.a to 10.b without redownloading the whole thing?

 

[Yngling]

Ain isn't property. As with his wife and daughters he is the head of household and master and they are completely submissive to him. He treats each as individuals with their different talents, desires and place in the household. He has been preparing Ain and Shani for their future in the world based on what he considers will be best for them based on their talents and abilities.

I think we actually agree.

I kinda started to "sweat" when Shani met the guy in the zone. At this point we'll be controlling Shani and her choices, so it's pretty much going to be up to us. But i'm very curious to see if there will be option for her to go with men. That would be quite a gutsy choice by the devs. With women... i think the game kinda already set this up with the queen's audition scene. There was a sexual tension between the girls.

Well, I don't really see it happening. I think Shani is quite picky when it comes to male sex partners. Perhaps it doesn't mean she'll only fuck Zaton but I do think that if she fucks some other guy, he must be really worthy of becoming her husband.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Well, it depends on how much influence the feedback of these folks has on the game. Lesbian content between Shani and the queen was teased already. On the other hand there aren't even any other named characters in the game, which Shani could get involved with, so it's not like the game is promising much in that regard anyway.
I think the bigger issue is that this game is entirely maledom content despite the number of badass female characters and I don't see Shani changing that. Like I can't even imagine something like the opening scene with the raiders, but with Shani as the PC instead. I think people would complain about a dominant Shani, who's collecting dicks the way Zaton is collecting pussy more so than any ntr.

Honestly, this is a simple case of the fact that majority of the people on f95, or anyone playing porn games for that matter, are males with mostly hetero to bi tendencies.

That coupled with the fact that you have a self insert male MC means that any sort of Shani dicking is gonna end with backlash. The dev would be wise to avoid it. It causes arguments in any game where it's a thing.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Well, i didn't expect the scene to be like "Hi! I can't help but to notice you have a penis... Let's fuck at once!" but it could have been the begin of a build up of a few adventures.

There's a scene like this? I avoided it without realizing I guess, lmao. That's dumb. I guess it's no different than what the MC does, I just plain don't care about Shani so whatevs.

 

[Cynicaladm]

I just plain don't care about Shani so whatevs.

 

[hhhhy]

when can we expect a new update?

 

[Machete]

I think if they kept it optional it would be a nice showing of balls from the devs to put in dicks options for Shani.

 

[Yngling]

I think if they kept it optional it would be a nice showing of balls from the devs to put in dicks options for Shani.

You mean huge stainless steel balls!

But yeah, I agree. But I think it's important that Shani would be the dominant one in any case.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

I think if they kept it optional it would be a nice showing of balls from the devs to put in dicks options for Shani.

I would actually disagree. Just because something can be polarizing doesn’t mean adding it takes balls. For example: would adding necrophilia, just because it would add a fetish and might appeal to a new audience, show balls? Or would it be a weird choice that doesn’t fit and feels off? Likewise, imagine if they had Shani die in the zone? That could “fit the story,” Zones are super dangerous and we just saw a guy die in there to a gang of people. Would having her die, cause it would be realistic and could fit the story, be an act to show balls? Or is it more like a big middle finger to some of your fans?

At the end of the day this is a service industry *and* an art. It has more in common with cooking than it does with pure art for art sake. Yes, they can use it to showcase their story and skills, but they are creating it to be consumed by others as well. The story doesn’t write itself as if given to the writer by god from on high. Just because something *can* be done, doesn’t mean it should be done. And just because something *could* fit the story, doesn’t mean it should. And just because something might be polarizing doesn’t mean adding it is inherently brave and ballsy; it could be dumb, silly, destructive, out-of-place, or a mistake.

 

[Yngling]

I would actually disagree. Just because something can be polarizing doesn’t mean adding it takes balls. For example: would adding necrophilia, just because it would add a fetish and might appeal to a new audience, show balls? Or would it be a weird choice that doesn’t fit and feels off? Likewise, imagine if they had Shani die in the zone? That could “fit the story,” Zones are super dangerous and we just saw a guy die in there to a gang of people. Would having her die, cause it would be realistic and could fit the story, be an act to show balls? Or is it more like a big middle finger to some of your fans?

Yes, it would show balls. IF (!) it were the devs vision to include impopular fetish XYZ or plot twist ABC which would fit in the story, it could be a master move, or it could be complete failure. Making a choice which can lead to success or failure but not much in between is kind of the definition of showing balls.

Compare a thriller TV series where all main characters survive through all 5 seasons to a thriller TV series where only 2 of the original main characters make it through the 5 seasons while the other 10 are killed off. Given that this is a thriller, which of the two would create the more suspense? Clearly the one which doesn't hang on to the characters. Just the fact that you don't know who's going to be killed next, massively increases the suspense. Maybe you get angry because your favourite gets killed, but I think it's better than the alternative.

But showing balls may not always be the best thing, I agree with you there.

For example killing Shani now would be stupid in my opinion, because we are nowhere near done with the character.

However a COMPLETELY OPTIONAL route where Shani meets the love of her life, who happens to be not her father, well.... I'm sure it would be divisive but it could fit the story, where Shani is not supposed to be her fathers pet all her life, but instead take over and continue the household. To be able to do that she needs children of her own and probably it's better if Zaton is not the father.

 

[muschi26]

would adding necrophilia

I mean, you can already beat that raider girl half to death before face-fucking her, and there's plenty of gore all-around, and with cannibals no less, so I think we might not be as far off as we'd like to think…

 

[Argrond]

NTR is just some weird Japanese acronym that everyone interprets differently.

In context of the game, I think Shani is *not* the MC's property for two reasons:
1) She is the 2nd MC so the player can choose what she does (within limits obviously)
2) Shani was raised to become a stalker. Ain was raised to be a wife / pet / bedwarmer. Ain is clearly the Zaton's property, either to use or to give away, but Shani isn't.

As you can clearly witness during Ain's personal time with Stalker, she has her own free will, and Stalker does not interfere with it. Just because Ain have decided to devote herself to housewife lifetime on her own free will, does not mean she can be considered as a property. Not more than Shani. She just decided she will be more secure, more useful and more loved in the position she is now - Stalker's concubine. And nobody can say she is playing her role half-assed or not sincere. She is a true f*cking material and she is proud of it (like, why not? She has all the right assets), why would she be like Shani or Queen? She is herself and we love her for that.
So, it's like your relationship with a loving wife. Do you own her? Yes. Does she own you? Yes as well. Since you care about her and she cares about you. It's not a one-way relation.
So Ain's devotion to Stalker is her own free will and decision, not a result of some kind of deception or corruption. That's why this relation is so lovable - she loves to be owned by him, and he loves to own her. Roleplay kind of relation? Sure, seems like it. Master-slave relation? No, because love feelings are mutual.
Same goes to Shani. She gives herself to Stalker for his char/charisma, not because she is his property. That's why, being superficially linear, girls' relations with MС are not that trivial when it comes to detail, that's why they are much more lovable by players. Even if they share the same models you've seen in other games
I agree, Ain may not seem like a very interesting character when it comes to the story advance, but 1) that is only for now, nobody knows how she will affect the main plot in the future 2) she is curvy, f*ckable, available and willing, you cannot lose with this combination.
We need more story to know more, but interactions with Ain are the main part which gives this game this kind of an alluring vibe. Whether you like it this way or not. )

 

[Hildegardt]

Just because something can be polarizing doesn’t mean adding it takes balls. For example: would adding necrophilia, just because it would add a fetish and might appeal to a new audience, show balls? Or would it be a weird choice that doesn’t fit and feels off?

The thing is that necrophilia would fit the game quite well, because it already has rape, gore and cannibalism. Shani fucking around would also fit the game well, because every other character does it and there's worldbuilding for it. Shani's purity would actually feel out of place, if this wasn't a porn game that had to take its player's kinks into consideration.
I feel like these are perfect examples to show how this game, despite its unabashed violence and sexuality, is still very considerate to the more faint of heart, who prefer a pure power fantasy.

At the end of the day this is a service industry *and* an art.

It's for the artist to decide, if he wants to see his work like that or not. The whole idea behind Patreon is that art shouldn't need mass appeal, but devoted supporters instead.