VN Ren'Py Abandoned Detective Necro [v0.55 Hotfix] [BlackHandGames]

[Rusty Shackleford's Cock]

soooo... Since BHG is back doing dev work, wouldn´t it be better to get rid of the "on hold" tag? Or do you want to release the next version first before that?

I'll ask for it to be taken off after release. Maybe it'll stem the "when update?" questions.

 

[S1nsational]

Also not sure about Anya given the ethics of her situation but maybe I'll leave that up to the audience about whether they'd like to see that when they see where her story goes.

Well that's disheartening to hear. Sounds like she'll be unavoidably made a slave to us, or worse. Was hoping given she's in the core harem that she'd get a happy story.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

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That was hilarious. I needed a laugh. I get that you don't like my buttered sausage, but I do love me some honey and I'll kiss it on the lips also.

Well that's disheartening to hear. Sounds like she'll be unavoidably made a slave to us, or worse. Was hoping given she's in the core harem that she'd get a happy story.

Now this I can agree with as I thought the same.

 

[Coaxmetal]

I'll ask for it to be taken off after release. Maybe it'll stem the "when update?" questions.

When update?

You asked for it.

 

[Rusty Shackleford's Cock]

Well that's disheartening to hear. Sounds like she'll be unavoidably made a slave to us, or worse. Was hoping given she's in the core harem that she'd get a happy story.

She can have a happy story. Her story can be quite wholesome if you navigate the darkness properly. Her situation is going to be unique though. I'm not sure I've ever seen the ethics of something like what I have planned be explored. I can't even recall it being done in any other medium. After you guys see what it is, then I'll let you decide if you wanna see preggo stuff or not.

That was hilarious. I needed a laugh. I get that you don't like my buttered sausage, but I do love me some honey and I'll kiss it on the lips also.

It's amazing the weird shit you can find on youtube when you have nothing else to do

When update?

You asked for it.

 

[monk_56]

First off: Respectfully, you can fuck off with your nonsense. We all have a mind. Which gives us the right to think and believe as we wish. Whether anyone else thinks you're right or wrong. It's your mind. Not their's.

To answer your quick and baited question, I do believe it is. Same as I believe fucking a zombie is. But has that stopped me from fucking them in a game? Or playing as one in a game? No. If BHG would like to have some choice words for me, that's cool. As I said, everyone can believe as they want.

It is a metaphysics question. There is a diversity of opinions on it and frankly some are less valid and sound than others.

I find the logic "We all have a mind- which gives us the right to think and believe as we wish" a tiny bit disingenuous in regards to refuting any specific answer.

Yeah, you have the right to believe whatever you want- but that does not make your belief logical a priori. You can "believe with your mind" a rock is a magical healing crystal all you want, but that doesn't make your belief reasonable. Believe what you want, but belief is not fact and the laws of nature do not bend to belief they are defined by empirical evidence.

That said...this particular question doesn't have a super-clear answer b/c there is understandably a lot of mystery surrounding death.

In the case of the question, "what makes something necrophilia?" it kinda boils down to, "when is a sapient being dead?"

It becomes a ship of Theseus question. What parts can you take away from a sapient being without them becoming dead?

A lot of people would draw the line at being brain-dead. And this is the definition of "dead" used by the medical community. Even if the rest of the body is alive. If we use this definition and extrapolate it onto necrophilia, I don't think you can call sapient creatures necrophilia.

If you have more of a dualism view like the early Christian philosophers, then its like....half necrophilia.

If you think someone is dead if their body dies, even if their mind is alive. Then yeah it is necrophilia. I personally don't find this definition that persuasive as long as the mind is still attached to the body. Back to ship of Theseus; I don't think anyone is gonna say you are dead if you lose your arms and your legs...but with this definition you are partially dead.....so is it partially necrophilia? How much of your body can you lose before you are actually dead??? Does Nixon's head in a vat in futurama count as dead? Am I dead if I lose my pinky finger? ect ect.

Could also just boil down to symantics; If your defniition of necrophilia is "attraction to dead body" instead of "full dead." Then yeah, Vamps ect is necrophlia. The term is kinda loosey goosey on that...prob b/c it isn't something that is ever real life applicable so no one has had to nail down this particular nuance of that definition.

 

[HornyyPussy]

It is a metaphysics question. There is a diversity of opinions on it and frankly some are less valid and sound than others.

I find the logic "We all have a mind- which gives us the right to think and believe as we wish" a tiny bit disingenuous in regards to refuting any specific answer.

Yeah, you have the right to believe whatever you want- but that does not make your belief logical a priori. You can "believe with your mind" a rock is a magical healing crystal all you want, but that doesn't make your belief reasonable. Believe what you want, but belief is not fact and the laws of nature do not bend to belief they are defined by empirical evidence.

That said...this particular question doesn't have a super-clear answer b/c there is understandably a lot of mystery surrounding death.

In the case of the question, "what makes something necrophilia?" it kinda boils down to, "when is a sapient being dead?"

It becomes a ship of Theseus question. What parts can you take away from a sapient being without them becoming dead.

A lot of people would draw the line at being brain-dead. And this is the definition of "dead" used by the medical community. Even if the rest of the body is alive. If we use this definition and extrapolate it onto necrophilia, I don't think you can call sapient creatures necrophilia.

If you have more of a dualism view like the early Christian philosophers, then its like....half necrophilia.

If you think someone is dead if their body dies, even if their mind is alive. Then yeah it is necrophilia. I personally don't find this definition that persuasive as long as the mind is still attached to the body. Back to ship of Theseus; I don't think anyone is gonna say you are dead if you lose your arms and your legs...but with this definition you are partially dead.....so is it partially necrophilia? How much of your body can you lose before you are actually dead??? Does Nixon's head in a vat in futurama count as dead? Am I dead if I lose my pinky finger? ect ect.

Kind of the same with beastiality isn't it? Is it beastiality to fuck a centaur (or any sentient animal creature really)?

 

[e6mill]

In the case of the question, "what makes something necrophilia?" it kinda boils down to, "when is a sapient being dead?"

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

It's amazing the weird shit you can find on youtube when you have nothing else to do

Nothing else to do...
Riiight. You have more shit on your plate than I do right now.

It is a metaphysics question. There is a diversity of opinions on it and frankly some are less valid and sound than others.

I find the logic "We all have a mind- which gives us the right to think and believe as we wish" a tiny bit disingenuous in regards to refuting any specific answer.

Yeah, you have the right to believe whatever you want- but that does not make your belief logical a priori. You can "believe with your mind" a rock is a magical healing crystal all you want, but that doesn't make your belief reasonable. Believe what you want, but belief is not fact and the laws of nature do not bend to belief they are defined by empirical evidence.

That said...this particular question doesn't have a super-clear answer b/c there is understandably a lot of mystery surrounding death.

In the case of the question, "what makes something necrophilia?" it kinda boils down to, "when is a sapient being dead?"

It becomes a ship of Theseus question. What parts can you take away from a sapient being without them becoming dead?

A lot of people would draw the line at being brain-dead. And this is the definition of "dead" used by the medical community. Even if the rest of the body is alive. If we use this definition and extrapolate it onto necrophilia, I don't think you can call sapient creatures necrophilia.

If you have more of a dualism view like the early Christian philosophers, then its like....half necrophilia.

If you think someone is dead if their body dies, even if their mind is alive. Then yeah it is necrophilia. I personally don't find this definition that persuasive as long as the mind is still attached to the body. Back to ship of Theseus; I don't think anyone is gonna say you are dead if you lose your arms and your legs...but with this definition you are partially dead.....so is it partially necrophilia? How much of your body can you lose before you are actually dead??? Does Nixon's head in a vat in futurama count as dead? Am I dead if I lose my pinky finger? ect ect.

Could also just boil down to symantics; If your defniition of necrophilia is "attraction to dead body" instead of "full dead." Then yeah, Vamps ect is necrophlia. The term is kinda loosey goosey on that...prob b/c it isn't something that is ever real life applicable so no one has had to nail down this particular nuance of that definition.

Disingenious? That's rich coming from someone who is trying to troll by acting like they're smarter than the person they are trolling. I'm sure you have some sort of degree in psychology or maybe you just took some liberal arts course, I have no idea. Are you smarter than I am because you throw around big words, or do you throw around big words to try and make youtself look smarter? Don't know and don't care.

Kind of the same with beastiality isn't it? Is it beastiality to fuck a centaur (or any sentient animal creature really)?

As for you, brother, you're just a smart ass. But I'll humor you. If you fuck a centaur's pussy or ass, which is a horse's body, maybe. Probably. If you throat fuck them or tit fuck them, maybe not. Probably not. Who cares though? If she's hot, fuck her.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Nothing else to do...
Riiight. You have more shit on your plate than I do right now.


Disingenious? That's rich coming from someone who is trying to troll by acting like they're smarter than the person they are trolling. I'm sure you have some sort of degree in psychology or maybe you just took some liberal arts course, I have no idea. Are you smarter than I am because you throw around big words, or do you throw around big words to try and make youtself look smarter? Don't know and don't care.


As for you, brother, you're just a smart ass. But I'll humor you. If you fuck a centaur's pussy or ass, which is a horse's body, maybe. Probably. If you throat fuck them or tit fuck them, maybe not. Probably not. Who cares though? If she's hot, fuck her.

Actually, this time I wasn't being a smart ass (you're right about me usually being one though )

We had that discussion in another thread a while back.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Actually, this time I wasn't being a smart ass (you're right about me usually being one though )

We had that discussion in another thread a while back.

Probably. Maybe. Could be. Memory is pretty fucked. You and I have discussed the weirdest shit in several threads.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Probably. Maybe. Could be. Memory is pretty fucked. You and I have discussed the weirdest shit in several threads.

That we have but this time I wasn't talking specifically about you, just that the discussion had been present in another thread

 

[monk_56]

Nothing else to do...
Riiight. You have more shit on your plate than I do right now.


Disingenious? That's rich coming from someone who is trying to troll by acting like they're smarter than the person they are trolling. I'm sure you have some sort of degree in psychology or maybe you just took some liberal arts course, I have no idea. Are you smarter than I am because you throw around big words, or do you throw around big words to try and make youtself look smarter? Don't know and don't care.


As for you, brother, you're just a smart ass. But I'll humor you. If you fuck a centaur's pussy or ass, which is a horse's body, maybe. Probably. If you throat fuck them or tit fuck them, maybe not. Probably not. Who cares though? If she's hot, fuck her.

I was not trying to troll before, but now that trolling is on the menu.

This. Time. I. Will. Use. Tiny. Words. For. U.

Aside from your stance on "belief" being mind-numbingly dumb, your classification of Necrophilia works. The topic interesting and I wanted to talk about it with forum members.

You can throw a fit and not care bEcaUse biG wOrds, but maybe someone smarter and more interesting will bite and I will have some fun new POVs to think about.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

I was not trying to troll before, but now that trolling is on the menu.

This. Time. I. Will. Use. Tiny. Words. For. U.

Aside from your stance on "belief" being mind-numbingly dumb, your classification of Necrophilia works. The topic interesting and I wanted to talk about it with forum members.

You can throw a fit and not care bEcaUse biG wOrds, but maybe someone smarter and more interesting will bite and I will have some fun new POVs to think about.

I was already on a roll after the whole thing with S1nsational (Hi, S1n. You doin ok today? lol) and you just got caught in the mix. Mainly because you wrote a book and it was all TL;DR for me. But yeah. When I'm in that frame of mind, it's better to speak Cro-Magnon than university wordage.

 

[JJDrakken]

Why would you say that? What were vampires prior to getting turned? Whatever their race was. However, despite what some say, vampires are walking corpses. They're dead. No two ways about it. Unlike zombies, they aren't rotting. Still deader than a doornail. So, in my opinion, they can't get preggers.

He can follow more modern lore for Vamps. Like The Seven Realms has. There two versions. Turned Vampires & True Vampires(Ones that are born from Vampire and Vampire/Fae/Human/etc...

Also to rest of y'all. Before his medical stuff. This was actually a really good posting place. After it, it's like y'all decided(not BHG). To devolve into WVM posters.

Chill the fuck out already.

 

[HentaiKami]

Also vampires are not undead or race of their own in every lore, in some settings they are still humans, but are host of some parasite/symbiote, depending on your views, that basically turn them into vampire, in some they are just mutated humans etc...

 

[RDFozz]

It is a metaphysics question. There is a diversity of opinions on it and frankly some are less valid and sound than others.

I find the logic "We all have a mind- which gives us the right to think and believe as we wish" a tiny bit disingenuous in regards to refuting any specific answer.

Yeah, you have the right to believe whatever you want- but that does not make your belief logical a priori. You can "believe with your mind" a rock is a magical healing crystal all you want, but that doesn't make your belief reasonable. Believe what you want, but belief is not fact and the laws of nature do not bend to belief they are defined by empirical evidence.

That said...this particular question doesn't have a super-clear answer b/c there is understandably a lot of mystery surrounding death.

In the case of the question, "what makes something necrophilia?" it kinda boils down to, "when is a sapient being dead?"

It becomes a ship of Theseus question. What parts can you take away from a sapient being without them becoming dead?

A lot of people would draw the line at being brain-dead. And this is the definition of "dead" used by the medical community. Even if the rest of the body is alive. If we use this definition and extrapolate it onto necrophilia, I don't think you can call sapient creatures necrophilia.

If you have more of a dualism view like the early Christian philosophers, then its like....half necrophilia.

If you think someone is dead if their body dies, even if their mind is alive. Then yeah it is necrophilia. I personally don't find this definition that persuasive as long as the mind is still attached to the body. Back to ship of Theseus; I don't think anyone is gonna say you are dead if you lose your arms and your legs...but with this definition you are partially dead.....so is it partially necrophilia? How much of your body can you lose before you are actually dead??? Does Nixon's head in a vat in futurama count as dead? Am I dead if I lose my pinky finger? ect ect.

Could also just boil down to symantics; If your defniition of necrophilia is "attraction to dead body" instead of "full dead." Then yeah, Vamps ect is necrophlia. The term is kinda loosey goosey on that...prob b/c it isn't something that is ever real life applicable so no one has had to nail down this particular nuance of that definition.

In response: I'm inclined to say that, in regards to fictional forms of life getting pregnant, the author can decide if they can or can't. If we want to play pretend scientist, there are two possible reasons why they might not be able to: genetic incompatibility (i.e., why there aren't half-sheep/half-humans in {nationality/region you want to insult}), or changes that make it impossible for the female to get pregnant/come to term (anything from ovaries are not functioning since transformation, to vampiric blood diet not able to provide the nutrients the fetus needs, to the entity is a cross of two different species, and cannot reproduce (in reality, mules; in a fantasy environment, could be many things, from minotaurs to mermaids (or centaurs, for any smart-asses ready to ask if the type of critter has to start with "m")).

And, of course, in the average fantasy milieu, there's a handy "get out of infertility free" card, because MAGIC. Heck, even in an SF setting, you can go the whole "science so much more advanced than ours that it seems like magic" route.

So, dev sets whatever rules they feel like; anything not explicitly defined by the dev you can think of however you want, until or unless the dev gets around to communicating the rule for that area (whether because they hadn't said it but had it in mind all along, or because they hadn't thought about it until now). Please be careful about how firm you set your head canon, as it could be shot down at any time.

 

[Rusty Shackleford's Cock]

You guys argue about the weirdest shit. You remember this is a porn game, right? It ain't that serious

 

[Porthas]

You guys argue about the weirdest shit.

This is the internet.

 

[Drakan47]

You guys argue about the weirdest shit. You remember this is a porn game, right? It ain't that serious

I say this one's on you:

If you're unsure if they would be able to get pregnant, they probably can't.

the moment you worded it like this, you all but ensured the most thorough debate of "well we technically can't be sure about (insert character)"

(i.e., why there aren't half-sheep/half-humans in {nationality/region you want to insult})

that has nothing to do with genetics, it's obviously because the government and their alien overlords are hiding the secret weresheep supersoldiers until the invasion