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I get you. I just think this would be a serious downgrade. Do what you gotta do tho, I'm only one person. Maybe others will be ok with it.
Look I won't lie, even I'm not fully ok with it. I had a style that I rather liked and I tried for nearly a year to get someone who wanted to pick up that mantle. But sadly there weren't any serious takers.
I'm just at a point where I'm going to have to start making some compromises to get this thing off of life support. It's a shitty, unenviable position. But I love the characters to much too just let them die outright.
Well i liked your Art and the models. BUT what a realy liked about your game was the code. So you can pick some girl or ignore. And then you can impregnate them as well if you like. Plus the story was realy interesting so far. I was curios in witch desaster a pregnant Nanami would lead or a pregnant Jane
So if i have a choice, i would gladly accept the new Art. The example looks good and i am not interesstet in some background. Or Chiniese Noodle Soup details.
Alright, I've scanned the forum here and picked a few that I felt I could respond to....
Part of my deal with the girl I'm talking to now is that if she agrees to do it, I'll give her the two systems I was using previously to do the renders so that she can knock them out double time. They've just been sitting in the corner of the office idle since I haven't had time to do any of the artwork myself.
You and me both! I even offered a couple of artists that were really good and I wanted to have work on the game a $1,000 sign on bonus after completing their first chapter plus half the patreon take. Still no takers.
Part of my deal with the girl I'm talking to now is that if she agrees to do it, I'll give her the two systems I was using previously to do the renders so that she can knock them out double time. They've just been sitting in the corner of the office idle since I haven't had time to do any of the artwork myself.
Sticking with a single protag.
It is what it is. I don't blame the judgement call on this one. But again, in my heart and my mind this isn't dead. But I don't fault anyone their speculation given my own history and that of other devs.
Different art = Better than nothing. As long as the realistic character expressions stay in tact. Bummed about the Cassie and Amanda scene backgrounds due to the great set-up of them both. But, break eggs, make omelette or something or other.. May be sacrilege to say, but Amanda's hair never did much for me, though she's otherwise my fave character.
I think the biggest challenge for me going forward is going to be compromise. I've had sole ownership for so long, that having to find the middle ground with another artistic personality...it's tough.
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That render looks pretty good.
For the environments, I feel there could be a compromise.
If you've already made all of the environments, which I assume you have, you can just send them to her in a ready-to-render state. That way you still have environments, but she doesn't have to do much to them. Or you can try to still create the environments yourself and send them to her as needed. Just try to limit the number of environments.
For the environments, I feel there could be a compromise.
If you've already made all of the environments, which I assume you have, you can just send them to her in a ready-to-render state. That way you still have environments, but she doesn't have to do much to them. Or you can try to still create the environments yourself and send them to her as needed. Just try to limit the number of environments.
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I get the impression with her art style, we'd end up seeing characters basically fucking while floating in the air over some shitty blurred background. I've seen this style used before. This is very simplified. Maybe she doesn't like all the effort that goes into the lighting of an entire environment...or, just can't do it well. The environments will also add to the render time. There could be many reasons for it. I just don't like it at all.
Believe me, I understand. Though, since you seem really passionate about the project, I feel like you might end up disappointed with how it turns out as it will now be partially someone else's vision, rather than yours.
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Did she do a sample of her "redo" of the Cassie scene? That is the HOTTEST scene that is currently IN GAME
So if she can do it justice, even if it is different, you are right that it is better than nothing. But if it is too different and too far away then it will simply feel like a different game using your story. But that might be OK
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Any chance of using singular objects rather than a whole environment? Like a desk, a cabinet or even a cut of wall? I can deal with not having full backgrounds but would prefer if the characters could physically interact with things.
Those were my thoughts as well. Especially with sex scenes, where it's pretty much required for coherence unless it's a stand-and-lift fuck or on-the-knees blowjob or something.
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This is kind of like what I'm expecting, but with a blurred background picture...
And I've seen worse...like a top down view where they look like they are just floating overtop objects that they shouldn't be able to in a 3D space.
Edit...here's something I whipped together real quick to better illustrate what I'm thinking is going to happen (likely way better quality, though).
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And I've seen worse...like a top down view where they look like they are just floating overtop objects that they shouldn't be able to in a 3D space.
Edit...here's something I whipped together real quick to better illustrate what I'm thinking is going to happen (likely way better quality, though).
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I share the concern over the sex scenes. Just the girls/characters (as sprites, or overlayed on a background) can work just fine for dialog conversations.
But I don't think it works at all for sex scenes. The games I've played like that always have the scene, more or less, floating in space. Sometimes on a bed in space. Sometimes not. But it's the same issue, it lacks any intimacy and it's not erotic at all.
The environment doesn't need to be a full-blown environment. Just something there. To give the scenes some realism and context.
A game that does this, that I like a lot, is LOML. The developer uses sprites most of the time, on a usually blurred background. But they still use environments with rendered characters, even very simple ones like the office desk, a couch, a bed and or a table.
Examples from that game:
The compromise, IMO, isn't to scrap the environments because the artist doesn't like messing with them. While you (and the fans) like the environments. The compromise is to use simpler environments for sex/erotic scenes, and use sprites/overlays the rest of the time.
But I don't think it works at all for sex scenes. The games I've played like that always have the scene, more or less, floating in space. Sometimes on a bed in space. Sometimes not. But it's the same issue, it lacks any intimacy and it's not erotic at all.
The environment doesn't need to be a full-blown environment. Just something there. To give the scenes some realism and context.
A game that does this, that I like a lot, is LOML. The developer uses sprites most of the time, on a usually blurred background. But they still use environments with rendered characters, even very simple ones like the office desk, a couch, a bed and or a table.
Examples from that game:
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The compromise, IMO, isn't to scrap the environments because the artist doesn't like messing with them. While you (and the fans) like the environments. The compromise is to use simpler environments for sex/erotic scenes, and use sprites/overlays the rest of the time.
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I don't think those are royalty free stock images used in any of those backgrounds. Those look like fully rendered backgrounds using Daz (or similar) assets. Whereas it seems the new artist would use real life photos from stock images and then blur them as backgrounds, placing sprites over them. I could be totally wrong here though...
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Those environments are fully rendered 3d scenes. The blurring is because of a limited Depth of Field, like you would get when you took a picture with a camera and a lens with a wide open aperture.
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If I may, I think this is the core of the issue. Let's forget for a moment Patreon, obligations and such things, as they were. Can you really settle for "something is better than nothing", even if it means straying from your vision and partly losing ownership of your project? Or would you rather settle for the project never being realized, if it means it won't be compromised in any significant way? In my opinion, this is something you should decide by yourself, to grant yourself the least amount of future regrets.
By the way, another kind of compromise could be thinking of rewriting the whole game in a different form by yourself, like a pure text adventure for example. Blasphemy, I know: but again, it would be a way to keep the full ownership of your story.
In any case, good luck for your future endeavors!
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I don't envy RomanHume. This is a tough position to be in.
To take away from the negativity of some of my posts on this topic, it's just because I really like this story, the characters, and the art. RomanHume did a great job and that's why it pains me to see it could possibly go in the proposed direction.
Also, I forgot the reason why RH isn't doing the renders anymore. Guess I can try to search the thread...it's just been so long that I forgot the reason behind it.
To take away from the negativity of some of my posts on this topic, it's just because I really like this story, the characters, and the art. RomanHume did a great job and that's why it pains me to see it could possibly go in the proposed direction.
Also, I forgot the reason why RH isn't doing the renders anymore. Guess I can try to search the thread...it's just been so long that I forgot the reason behind it.