VN Ren'Py Abandoned Dr. Amana, Sexual Therapist [v2.0.0P] [Ianvs]

[RomanHume]

Alright, I've scanned the forum here and picked a few that I felt I could respond to....

Not trying to be an ass or anything like that but why is it taking so long to find an artist as apparently that's our given reason for why the game is on hold. I'm ignorant of what goes into finding someone to do the art so please don't take this as me being negative or anything I'm just genuinely curious

You and me both! I even offered a couple of artists that were really good and I wanted to have work on the game a $1,000 sign on bonus after completing their first chapter plus half the patreon take. Still no takers.

Part of my deal with the girl I'm talking to now is that if she agrees to do it, I'll give her the two systems I was using previously to do the renders so that she can knock them out double time. They've just been sitting in the corner of the office idle since I haven't had time to do any of the artwork myself.

no troll just genuinely asking, did the dev sort out whether he was going to do multiple controlled characters? i remember him asking about it months ago and never got to see what came from it.

Sticking with a single protag.

So, I've seen games dead in the water with a onhold tag for years, yet this one gets the abandoned tag a month after I last saw the onhold tag? Did I miss something?

It is what it is. I don't blame the judgement call on this one. But again, in my heart and my mind this isn't dead. But I don't fault anyone their speculation given my own history and that of other devs.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Which sadly is a zero-sum game from my end because either A, we change the art and lose you as a player, or B, I continue to produce nothing and I lose you as a player...so I'm kind fucked either way on that one mate.

Different art = Better than nothing. As long as the realistic character expressions stay in tact. Bummed about the Cassie and Amanda scene backgrounds due to the great set-up of them both. But, break eggs, make omelette or something or other.. May be sacrilege to say, but Amanda's hair never did much for me, though she's otherwise my fave character.

 

[RomanHume]

Different art = Better than nothing. As long as the realistic character expressions stay in tact. Bummed about the Cassie and Amanda scene backgrounds due to the great set-up of them both. But, break eggs, make omelette or something or other.. May be sacrilege to say, but Amanda's hair never did much for me, though she's otherwise my fave character.

I think the biggest challenge for me going forward is going to be compromise. I've had sole ownership for so long, that having to find the middle ground with another artistic personality...it's tough.

 

[jamdan]

That render looks pretty good.

For the environments, I feel there could be a compromise.

If you've already made all of the environments, which I assume you have, you can just send them to her in a ready-to-render state. That way you still have environments, but she doesn't have to do much to them. Or you can try to still create the environments yourself and send them to her as needed. Just try to limit the number of environments.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I get the impression with her art style, we'd end up seeing characters basically fucking while floating in the air over some shitty blurred background. I've seen this style used before. This is very simplified. Maybe she doesn't like all the effort that goes into the lighting of an entire environment...or, just can't do it well. The environments will also add to the render time. There could be many reasons for it. I just don't like it at all.

Look I won't lie, even I'm not fully ok with it. I had a style that I rather liked and I tried for nearly a year to get someone who wanted to pick up that mantle. But sadly there weren't any serious takers.

I'm just at a point where I'm going to have to start making some compromises to get this thing off of life support. It's a shitty, unenviable position. But I love the characters to much too just let them die outright.

Believe me, I understand. Though, since you seem really passionate about the project, I feel like you might end up disappointed with how it turns out as it will now be partially someone else's vision, rather than yours.

 

[jaw1986baby]

I think the biggest challenge for me going forward is going to be compromise. I've had sole ownership for so long, that having to find the middle ground with another artistic personality...it's tough.

Did she do a sample of her "redo" of the Cassie scene? That is the HOTTEST scene that is currently IN GAME

So if she can do it justice, even if it is different, you are right that it is better than nothing. But if it is too different and too far away then it will simply feel like a different game using your story. But that might be OK

SHRUG

 

[DenBover]

Any chance of using singular objects rather than a whole environment? Like a desk, a cabinet or even a cut of wall? I can deal with not having full backgrounds but would prefer if the characters could physically interact with things.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Any chance of using singular objects rather than a whole environment? Like a desk, a cabinet or even a cut of wall? I can deal with not having full backgrounds but would prefer if the characters could physically interact with things.

Those were my thoughts as well. Especially with sex scenes, where it's pretty much required for coherence unless it's a stand-and-lift fuck or on-the-knees blowjob or something.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

This is kind of like what I'm expecting, but with a blurred background picture...

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And I've seen worse...like a top down view where they look like they are just floating overtop objects that they shouldn't be able to in a 3D space.

Edit...here's something I whipped together real quick to better illustrate what I'm thinking is going to happen (likely way better quality, though).

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[jamdan]

I share the concern over the sex scenes. Just the girls/characters (as sprites, or overlayed on a background) can work just fine for dialog conversations.

But I don't think it works at all for sex scenes. The games I've played like that always have the scene, more or less, floating in space. Sometimes on a bed in space. Sometimes not. But it's the same issue, it lacks any intimacy and it's not erotic at all.

The environment doesn't need to be a full-blown environment. Just something there. To give the scenes some realism and context.

A game that does this, that I like a lot, is LOML. The developer uses sprites most of the time, on a usually blurred background. But they still use environments with rendered characters, even very simple ones like the office desk, a couch, a bed and or a table.

Examples from that game:

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The compromise, IMO, isn't to scrap the environments because the artist doesn't like messing with them. While you (and the fans) like the environments. The compromise is to use simpler environments for sex/erotic scenes, and use sprites/overlays the rest of the time.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I share the concern over the sex scenes. Just the girls/characters (as sprites, or overlayed on a background) can work just fine for dialog conversations.

But I don't think it works at all for sex scenes. The games I've played like that always have the scene, more or less, floating in space. Sometimes on a bed in space. Sometimes not. But it's the same issue, it lacks any intimacy and it's not erotic at all.

The environment doesn't need to be a full-blown environment. Just something there. To give the scenes some realism and context.

A game that does this, that I like a lot, is LOML. The developer uses sprites most of the time, on a usually blurred background. But they still use environments with rendered characters, even very simple ones like the office desk, a couch, a bed and or a table.

Examples from that game:

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The compromise, IMO, isn't to scrap the environments because the artist doesn't like messing with them. While you (and the fans) like the environments. The compromise is to use simpler environments for sex/erotic scenes, and use sprites/overlays the rest of the time.

I don't think those are royalty free stock images used in any of those backgrounds. Those look like fully rendered backgrounds using Daz (or similar) assets. Whereas it seems the new artist would use real life photos from stock images and then blur them as backgrounds, placing sprites over them. I could be totally wrong here though...

 

[lemonfreak]

I would say I hate to be that guy but that would be a blatant lie because I love being that guy; this game is as dead as Milfy City. No fault of the dev, circumstances have conspired to kill this project.

Unfollow the thread and move on with your lives

 

[PBS666]

I share the concern over the sex scenes. Just the girls/characters (as sprites, or overlayed on a background) can work just fine for dialog conversations.

But I don't think it works at all for sex scenes. The games I've played like that always have the scene, more or less, floating in space. Sometimes on a bed in space. Sometimes not. But it's the same issue, it lacks any intimacy and it's not erotic at all.

The environment doesn't need to be a full-blown environment. Just something there. To give the scenes some realism and context.

A game that does this, that I like a lot, is LOML. The developer uses sprites most of the time, on a usually blurred background. But they still use environments with rendered characters, even very simple ones like the office desk, a couch, a bed and or a table.

Examples from that game:

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The compromise, IMO, isn't to scrap the environments because the artist doesn't like messing with them. While you (and the fans) like the environments. The compromise is to use simpler environments for sex/erotic scenes, and use sprites/overlays the rest of the time.

Those environments are fully rendered 3d scenes. The blurring is because of a limited Depth of Field, like you would get when you took a picture with a camera and a lens with a wide open aperture.

 

[Dragonbait]

Just wondering if the game is actually dead or just taking time?

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Just wondering if the game is actually dead or just taking time?

Read the last few pages...

 

[Biscardone]

I think the biggest challenge for me going forward is going to be compromise. I've had sole ownership for so long, that having to find the middle ground with another artistic personality...it's tough.

If I may, I think this is the core of the issue. Let's forget for a moment Patreon, obligations and such things, as they were. Can you really settle for "something is better than nothing", even if it means straying from your vision and partly losing ownership of your project? Or would you rather settle for the project never being realized, if it means it won't be compromised in any significant way? In my opinion, this is something you should decide by yourself, to grant yourself the least amount of future regrets.
By the way, another kind of compromise could be thinking of rewriting the whole game in a different form by yourself, like a pure text adventure for example. Blasphemy, I know: but again, it would be a way to keep the full ownership of your story.
In any case, good luck for your future endeavors!

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I don't envy RomanHume. This is a tough position to be in.

To take away from the negativity of some of my posts on this topic, it's just because I really like this story, the characters, and the art. RomanHume did a great job and that's why it pains me to see it could possibly go in the proposed direction.

Also, I forgot the reason why RH isn't doing the renders anymore. Guess I can try to search the thread...it's just been so long that I forgot the reason behind it.

 

[BGRW2020]

Sad another story bites the dust

 

[luigiegbert]

Sad another story bites the dust

What do you mean? The last few pages mentions he’s actively talking to a local content creator to produce renders but they are currently arguing the details of the deal.

 

[BGRW2020]

What do you mean? The last few pages mentions he’s actively talking to a local content creator to produce renders but they are currently arguing the details of the deal.

is this story abandoned or not?