I'm pretty sure Blue has already said in a past update that there's at least 2-3 months of story and renders done that just need to be coded once the merge is finished. So if Blue kept working after that you could probably safely assume 3-5 months of content waiting for code. Between that and the merge making future updates simpler we've got smooth sailing once month 1 is finally out.
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- Mar 9, 2020
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Nearly three thousand posts on a porn site and YOU'RE gonna point at others and scoff at them having "too much time and energy on them". Uh huh.
- Aug 21, 2019
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It should not take any competent coder/programmer this long to merge and make new functions. Even with a single person or doing everything from scratch.
By this point people should've been fired and replaced.
And yes, I do speak from programming experience.
By this point people should've been fired and replaced.
And yes, I do speak from programming experience.
- Sep 28, 2018
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If I recall they've said in the past none of them had any experience before making this game, including coding. It's why this game has a lot of bugs they needed to fix during the merge.
Which, if true, makes their decision to add a bunch of other mechanics into the game make even less sense. Previously I've said none of that is needed. The bio stuff. The sandbox stuff. The phone. If they can't figure out how to fix the bugs already in the game, good luck trying to make even more complicated stuff.
It makes me think of an amateur mechanic who tries to rebuild an engine when they can barely even change the oil. Not logical or sensible to attempt. You could obviously hire a real mechanic to help you out, but if the rebuild is taking this long they've either not done that or the new mechanic is so confused at the clusterfuck of wires, things being backwards, and generally craziness under the hood they're having to start from scratch.
Which, if true, makes their decision to add a bunch of other mechanics into the game make even less sense. Previously I've said none of that is needed. The bio stuff. The sandbox stuff. The phone. If they can't figure out how to fix the bugs already in the game, good luck trying to make even more complicated stuff.
It makes me think of an amateur mechanic who tries to rebuild an engine when they can barely even change the oil. Not logical or sensible to attempt. You could obviously hire a real mechanic to help you out, but if the rebuild is taking this long they've either not done that or the new mechanic is so confused at the clusterfuck of wires, things being backwards, and generally craziness under the hood they're having to start from scratch.
- Apr 24, 2020
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I'm wounded to the core. Someone call 911!
Not only didn't you get the point of my joke, but you tried to find some way to put me down for making fun of conspiracy theorists. I'd say the same about Flat-Earthers or the people who are sure that "Mango Unhinged" will be reinstated next month.
- Aug 21, 2019
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Indeed.
Personally I hate sandbox. Mostly because it basically never is actually sandbox. It's mostly just a normal linear VN but you have to press 900 extra buttons and find the right thing to click, at the right time, in the right order.
Sandbox in this game is supposed to be for relationships with the girls. The story will progress on its own, but you'll also be able to visit the girls you want to in order to unlock sex scenes.
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I understand your point, but if you look at his Patreon "goals" for patreon levels reached, he refers to bringing in team members to do the tech stuff. So I'm sorry but I don't buy the "we don't know what we are doing line", not after all this time and money. Of course it's not my money as I'm not inclined to waste mine as others appear wont to do with theirs, but I do think we need to remember how this developed for some perspective on the total lack of evidence of anything progressive occurring.
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Again, must reiterate, this is not maliciousness merely incompetence...
Stop ascribing to evil what can be explained via stupidity, yes they have really no fucking idea what they're doing realistically, and yes that's a normal thing for amateurs everywhere when they bite off more than they can chew. Anyone who disagrees is lying, all amateurs can get stuck into ruts of bullshit and other issues when they misunderstand the scope of what they're doing. This can drag on for months at a time, happens all the time, and its why we see so much failure in any scope of creative design when you look past the fewer success stories.
At this point just accept that its a big massive blunderfest, one I'm hopeful they are learning from, but stop attempting to spin it as something of a planned state to be in. We can all come together to remember that stupid shit happens, this is one major fuck up that will take some time to heal up people's trust from, and that's all it is. Not everything is a scam to get your money, most of it is people not understanding what they're getting themselves into, and trying to figure it out as they go, then having to fix everything later anyways.
I have been awake for two days, I'm going to bed
Stop ascribing to evil what can be explained via stupidity, yes they have really no fucking idea what they're doing realistically, and yes that's a normal thing for amateurs everywhere when they bite off more than they can chew. Anyone who disagrees is lying, all amateurs can get stuck into ruts of bullshit and other issues when they misunderstand the scope of what they're doing. This can drag on for months at a time, happens all the time, and its why we see so much failure in any scope of creative design when you look past the fewer success stories.
At this point just accept that its a big massive blunderfest, one I'm hopeful they are learning from, but stop attempting to spin it as something of a planned state to be in. We can all come together to remember that stupid shit happens, this is one major fuck up that will take some time to heal up people's trust from, and that's all it is. Not everything is a scam to get your money, most of it is people not understanding what they're getting themselves into, and trying to figure it out as they go, then having to fix everything later anyways.
I have been awake for two days, I'm going to bed
Bro, just, like, go to bed next time. I can damn near guarantee you nothing concerning the thread or the game will change in the time it takes to sleep, wake up, get on with a portion of your day, and checking out this train wreck.
- Jun 28, 2018
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Its been a while since I checked on this sad to see theres still no update. So I browsed the forum a bit and I keep hearing people justify it by saying "its not blues fault its something with the programmers" or things like that but that cant be entirely correct. Blues the project runner that means he should be supervising the project and id assume the programmers are hired and payed by him with the patreon money. If hes hiring and paying these people hes their boss and will have to take responsibility for their blunders. This also means if a programmer isnt able to meet dead lines its Blues responsibility to either help get them on track or replace that programmer with someone who can. Just constantly delaying or not making even having dead lines isnt a solution.
The problem is that Blue is not the one that manages the project he hired someone (project manager, translator and possibly also programmer) to do so and that person is the one that has ongoing health problems and was not able to work for months that is the main reason that slowed the merge.
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That makes a bit more sense but Blue is still the boss and if the managers is too sick to program for a long period he could find someone to fill in as a programmer till the manager is better.
As far as I know, that is something Blue doesn't want to do because that person is a member of the team from the start and the game wouldn't be the same without him, Blue writes in german and the other guy makes the translation.
- Jul 2, 2017
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The dictionary definition of amateur, means either someone who engages in activity without pay, or someone who is incompetent. Clearly you cant mean the first given the evidence elsewhere, so you are saying the people you persistently defend are incompetent?
No-one plans on being incompetent, either they are or they arent and that doesnt mean they are "evil" as you call it, but it rather undermines you persistently defending them with excuses of an "ill" key team member who is irreplacable because of his excellence, or of all the great work they are allegedly doing being the scenes. They cant be great and irreplaceable, and incompetent at the same time.
Also, perhaps people would be more accepting they are dealing with incompetents, if the developers themselves came out on the platforms where they take peoples money, and tell them up front they are incompetent - wouldn't honesty be better? They may not be operating a "scam to get your money" as you call it, but at least people would know what they they are contributing to - although I imagine a lot of people would not contribute to anyone incompetent at what they are doing
Neveretheless Skummy, thank you for your clarification of what we are dealing with.
I have a suggestion for any Admin reading this thread please. Lock the thread. It serves no purpose currently and will simply continue to stoke strong emotion which would be better directed elsewhere. If it is the case the developer actually produces anything in future with tangible evidence of such, I'm sure patrons and Skummy will be sure to let you know
I stopped defending months ago, because they showed they couldn't actively handle the situation in a way I could properly argue for. as for why they don't discuss on Patreon, couldn't fuckin tell ya. I do apologize for my bitterness in the past but at this point I'm just resigned to watching for the end so I can tag on you guys. Plus holding the line on the fact that they're not scammers, just not good at this, I will freely admit I was defending them previously. However, this whole situation is embarrassing and there's no good way to spin that, I look forward to it being resolved sooner rather than later.
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Pretty sure the sick team member has been back in the thick of things for months now. Unless something else has happened, that I missed?
While I do appreciate it, I do wonder why you bother keeping us informed in the first place. Dealing with certain people here seems stressful as fuck, and you really don't owe us anything.
- Aug 21, 2019
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Doesn't matter if the "guy's been there since the start" or anything like that. If he can't handle the job and you don't want to fire him, give him another one and dock his pay if he has one. Then hire a competent guy.
Doesn't need to be some "top-tier" programmer, at this point ANYONE with experience would probably be better.
In the end it is BlueCat's fault. It's his project and whether he pushed responsibilities to someone else or not, he has to make sure that work actually gets done. He is the top brass whether he likes it or not.
Doesn't need to be some "top-tier" programmer, at this point ANYONE with experience would probably be better.
In the end it is BlueCat's fault. It's his project and whether he pushed responsibilities to someone else or not, he has to make sure that work actually gets done. He is the top brass whether he likes it or not.