VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[PenguinFuhrer]

If I recall they've said in the past none of them had any experience before making this game, including coding. It's why this game has a lot of bugs they needed to fix during the merge.

Which, if true, makes their decision to add a bunch of other mechanics into the game make even less sense. Previously I've said none of that is needed. The bio stuff. The sandbox stuff. The phone. If they can't figure out how to fix the bugs already in the game, good luck trying to make even more complicated stuff.

It makes me think of an amateur mechanic who tries to rebuild an engine when they can barely even change the oil. Not logical or sensible to attempt. You could obviously hire a real mechanic to help you out, but if the rebuild is taking this long they've either not done that or the new mechanic is so confused at the clusterfuck of wires, things being backwards, and generally craziness under the hood they're having to start from scratch.

Indeed.
Personally I hate sandbox. Mostly because it basically never is actually sandbox. It's mostly just a normal linear VN but you have to press 900 extra buttons and find the right thing to click, at the right time, in the right order.

 

[Deleted member 440241]

Indeed.
Personally I hate sandbox. Mostly because it basically never is actually sandbox. It's mostly just a normal linear VN but you have to press 900 extra buttons and find the right thing to click, at the right time, in the right order.

Sandbox in this game is supposed to be for relationships with the girls. The story will progress on its own, but you'll also be able to visit the girls you want to in order to unlock sex scenes.

 

[huge43]

If I recall they've said in the past none of them had any experience before making this game, including coding. It's why this game has a lot of bugs they needed to fix during the merge.

Which, if true, makes their decision to add a bunch of other mechanics into the game make even less sense. Previously I've said none of that is needed. The bio stuff. The sandbox stuff. The phone. If they can't figure out how to fix the bugs already in the game, good luck trying to make even more complicated stuff.

It makes me think of an amateur mechanic who tries to rebuild an engine when they can barely even change the oil. Not logical or sensible to attempt. You could obviously hire a real mechanic to help you out, but if the rebuild is taking this long they've either not done that or the new mechanic is so confused at the clusterfuck of wires, things being backwards, and generally craziness under the hood they're having to start from scratch.

I understand your point, but if you look at his Patreon "goals" for patreon levels reached, he refers to bringing in team members to do the tech stuff. So I'm sorry but I don't buy the "we don't know what we are doing line", not after all this time and money. Of course it's not my money as I'm not inclined to waste mine as others appear wont to do with theirs, but I do think we need to remember how this developed for some perspective on the total lack of evidence of anything progressive occurring.

 

[imoutolover]

Hmmm .....I'm not liking the sound of this. Been quite a while for an update to a game that originally was already estimated to not end before 35 years from now. (literally, and I'm being utterly serious)

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

Again, must reiterate, this is not maliciousness merely incompetence...

Stop ascribing to evil what can be explained via stupidity, yes they have really no fucking idea what they're doing realistically, and yes that's a normal thing for amateurs everywhere when they bite off more than they can chew. Anyone who disagrees is lying, all amateurs can get stuck into ruts of bullshit and other issues when they misunderstand the scope of what they're doing. This can drag on for months at a time, happens all the time, and its why we see so much failure in any scope of creative design when you look past the fewer success stories.

At this point just accept that its a big massive blunderfest, one I'm hopeful they are learning from, but stop attempting to spin it as something of a planned state to be in. We can all come together to remember that stupid shit happens, this is one major fuck up that will take some time to heal up people's trust from, and that's all it is. Not everything is a scam to get your money, most of it is people not understanding what they're getting themselves into, and trying to figure it out as they go, then having to fix everything later anyways.

I have been awake for two days, I'm going to bed

 

[c4145317]

I have been awake for two days, I'm going to bed

Bro, just, like, go to bed next time. I can damn near guarantee you nothing concerning the thread or the game will change in the time it takes to sleep, wake up, get on with a portion of your day, and checking out this train wreck.

 

[The the Guy]

Its been a while since I checked on this sad to see theres still no update. So I browsed the forum a bit and I keep hearing people justify it by saying "its not blues fault its something with the programmers" or things like that but that cant be entirely correct. Blues the project runner that means he should be supervising the project and id assume the programmers are hired and payed by him with the patreon money. If hes hiring and paying these people hes their boss and will have to take responsibility for their blunders. This also means if a programmer isnt able to meet dead lines its Blues responsibility to either help get them on track or replace that programmer with someone who can. Just constantly delaying or not making even having dead lines isnt a solution.

 

[HansDampf788]

Its been a while since I checked on this sad to see theres still no update. So I browsed the forum a bit and I keep hearing people justify it by saying "its not blues fault its something with the programmers" or things like that but that cant be entirely correct. Blues the project runner that means he should be supervising the project and id assume the programmers are hired and payed by him with the patreon money. If hes hiring and paying these people hes their boss and will have to take responsibility for their blunders. This also means if a programmer isnt able to meet dead lines its Blues responsibility to either help get them on track or replace that programmer with someone who can. Just constantly delaying or not making even having dead lines isnt a solution.

The problem is that Blue is not the one that manages the project he hired someone (project manager, translator and possibly also programmer) to do so and that person is the one that has ongoing health problems and was not able to work for months that is the main reason that slowed the merge.

 

[The the Guy]

The problem is that Blue is not the one that manages the project he hired someone (project manager, translator and possibly also programmer) to do so and that person is the one that has ongoing health problems and was not able to work for months that is the main reason that slowed the merge.

That makes a bit more sense but Blue is still the boss and if the managers is too sick to program for a long period he could find someone to fill in as a programmer till the manager is better.

 

[HansDampf788]

That makes a bit more sense but Blue is still the boss and if the manager is too sick to program for a long period he could find someone to fill in as a programmer till the manager is better.

As far as I know, that is something Blue doesn't want to do because that person is a member of the team from the start and the game wouldn't be the same without him, Blue writes in german and the other guy makes the translation.

 

[huge43]

Again, must reiterate, this is not maliciousness merely incompetence...

Stop ascribing to evil what can be explained via stupidity, yes they have really no fucking idea what they're doing realistically, and yes that's a normal thing for amateurs everywhere when they bite off more than they can chew. Anyone who disagrees is lying, all amateurs can get stuck into ruts of bullshit and other issues when they misunderstand the scope of what they're doing. This can drag on for months at a time, happens all the time, and its why we see so much failure in any scope of creative design when you look past the fewer success stories.

At this point just accept that its a big massive blunderfest, one I'm hopeful they are learning from, but stop attempting to spin it as something of a planned state to be in. We can all come together to remember that stupid shit happens, this is one major fuck up that will take some time to heal up people's trust from, and that's all it is. Not everything is a scam to get your money, most of it is people not understanding what they're getting themselves into, and trying to figure it out as they go, then having to fix everything later anyways.

I have been awake for two days, I'm going to bed

The dictionary definition of amateur, means either someone who engages in activity without pay, or someone who is incompetent. Clearly you cant mean the first given the evidence elsewhere, so you are saying the people you persistently defend are incompetent?

No-one plans on being incompetent, either they are or they arent and that doesnt mean they are "evil" as you call it, but it rather undermines you persistently defending them with excuses of an "ill" key team member who is irreplacable because of his excellence, or of all the great work they are allegedly doing being the scenes. They cant be great and irreplaceable, and incompetent at the same time.

Also, perhaps people would be more accepting they are dealing with incompetents, if the developers themselves came out on the platforms where they take peoples money, and tell them up front they are incompetent - wouldn't honesty be better? They may not be operating a "scam to get your money" as you call it, but at least people would know what they they are contributing to - although I imagine a lot of people would not contribute to anyone incompetent at what they are doing

Neveretheless Skummy, thank you for your clarification of what we are dealing with.

I have a suggestion for any Admin reading this thread please. Lock the thread. It serves no purpose currently and will simply continue to stoke strong emotion which would be better directed elsewhere. If it is the case the developer actually produces anything in future with tangible evidence of such, I'm sure patrons and Skummy will be sure to let you know

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

The dictionary definition of amateur, means either someone who engages in activity without pay, or someone who is incompetent. Clearly you cant mean the first given the evidence elsewhere, so you are saying the people you persistently defend are incompetent?

No-one plans on being incompetent, either they are or they arent and that doesnt mean they are "evil" as you call it, but it rather undermines you persistently defending them with excuses of an "ill" key team member who is irreplacable because of his excellence, or of all the great work they are allegedly doing being the scenes. They cant be great and irreplaceable, and incompetent at the same time.

Also, perhaps people would be more accepting they are dealing with incompetents, if the developers themselves came out on the platforms where they take peoples money, and tell them up front they are incompetent - wouldn't honesty be better? They may not be operating a "scam to get your money" as you call it, but at least people would know what they they are contributing to - although I imagine a lot of people would not contribute to anyone incompetent at what they are doing

Neveretheless Skummy, thank you for your clarification of what we are dealing with.

I have a suggestion for any Admin reading this thread please. Lock the thread. It serves no purpose currently and will simply continue to stoke strong emotion which would be better directed elsewhere. If it is the case the developer actually produces anything in future with tangible evidence of such, I'm sure patrons and Skummy will be sure to let you know

I stopped defending months ago, because they showed they couldn't actively handle the situation in a way I could properly argue for. as for why they don't discuss on Patreon, couldn't fuckin tell ya. I do apologize for my bitterness in the past but at this point I'm just resigned to watching for the end so I can tag on you guys. Plus holding the line on the fact that they're not scammers, just not good at this, I will freely admit I was defending them previously. However, this whole situation is embarrassing and there's no good way to spin that, I look forward to it being resolved sooner rather than later.

 

[The the Guy]

As far as I know, that is something Blue doesn't want to do because that person is a member of the team from the start and the game wouldn't be the same without him, Blue writes in german and the other guy makes the translation.

Im not saying full on replace the guy just a temp till he gets better

 

[RandoCard3]

Im not saying full on replace the guy just a temp till he gets better

Pretty sure the sick team member has been back in the thick of things for months now. Unless something else has happened, that I missed?

I stopped defending months ago, because they showed they couldn't actively handle the situation in a way I could properly argue for. as for why they don't discuss on Patreon, couldn't fuckin tell ya. I do apologize for my bitterness in the past but at this point I'm just resigned to watching for the end so I can tag on you guys. Plus holding the line on the fact that they're not scammers, just not good at this, I will freely admit I was defending them previously. However, this whole situation is embarrassing and there's no good way to spin that, I look forward to it being resolved sooner rather than later.

While I do appreciate it, I do wonder why you bother keeping us informed in the first place. Dealing with certain people here seems stressful as fuck, and you really don't owe us anything.

 

[PenguinFuhrer]

Doesn't matter if the "guy's been there since the start" or anything like that. If he can't handle the job and you don't want to fire him, give him another one and dock his pay if he has one. Then hire a competent guy.
Doesn't need to be some "top-tier" programmer, at this point ANYONE with experience would probably be better.

In the end it is BlueCat's fault. It's his project and whether he pushed responsibilities to someone else or not, he has to make sure that work actually gets done. He is the top brass whether he likes it or not.

 

[FanOfEcchiSensei]

So any betters on when the next patreon post is?
My money's on between 20th and 30th of September since that's the 3 month "abandoned tag" cutoff

 

[Virulenz]

Sounds like you regret choosing your Nickname

 

[phdusa1]

All I can say being a DotNet developer in a decent company is when we realize that the time we need for the work we committed to do is more than we expected we reevaluate the situation and come up with some solutions for clients/customers. If they expected to complete it by December and haven't done it until now in July then they were probably very far from completion.

They could have had a poll from their patreons and told them that the work we thought is not close to completion and might take another year for completion. Do you want to still do the merge or drop the idea and give you next week content in 2-3 months. If they would have been honest instead of saying we are close to completion every three months, they wouldn't have lost so much money and time. I remember when they were close to 9000$ and now its 3800. But let's wait another two months for an update saying we are doing translations and very close to completion.
And Sorry if I hurt anyone's feeling.

 

[a1fox3]

They could have keep putting out story content while working on other things that is taking so long to do.

They should never have gone with combining weeks and so on, just release week at a time and so on.

Combining everything together is going to make it so large it will take days to upload and hours to download.

 

[jaw1986baby]

Well everyone has to admit that they are not trying to take money.

As Eku7 points out their revenue has shrunk to almost 1/3 whereas if they left the buggy shit as is and just slapped new content together they would very much have made A LOT more money.

So as Skummy says this is NOT evil intent or malicious profiteering, it is incompetence.

At this point it is best to just wait for them to clear this reprogram hurdle with the one benefit being that all new content will be on better framework and easier to merge. So then they can go back to production (which was pretty good levels if I recall correctly).

The other big unanswered question is how big will it be at the end of the merge? If it is too big you will need to torrent the content. Do they want to merge the next full 30 day month into one month or one merge total? Because well.... I would hope their Subs/Patrons vote no on merging anything that big. Again leading to the how the hell do you host something that big?

My random thoughts

PEACE