tiurcer

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Also, is this update still just planned to be the month 1 merge, or has plans changed in the time frame to add actual content to the update as well. I know at the beginning Blue Cat said that they already had content prepped for the updates after the merge.
 

cavaemon

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Also, is this update still just planned to be the month 1 merge, or has plans changed in the time frame to add actual content to the update as well. I know at the beginning Blue Cat said that they already had content prepped for the updates after the merge.
month 1 merge is first then after there will be updates to add more.
you mean like this? ok sure WHY NOT THEN... im kinda pissed off that having to see posts about ppl being mad about how this game dev does things and etc etc... if i cant reply MY take on how the game is doing then i dont know why the hell this thread exists then. but sure ill be doing this then when i post a more RECENT one and just edit it with the posts that are here to make it more "neat".
ps, why even have the reply button if you cant even do that? not like i was gonna keep replying to dozens of ppl on here lol.
 
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By the way cavaemon , just a little point of forum etiquette. If you want to post right after your own post, just edit your original post and add to it. Occasionally a second post in a row is not terrible, but to post over and over again in a row, without someone else posting first, is bad form. I just edit my last post and add whatever I want to say, then it is easier to read for the other users, and it doesn't look like you are spamming the thread, which I know you are not doing.
 

Asashi

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I wonder what in the actual fuck go through some devs head to split their games up like that... Sure it might be slightly better for people with limited bandwidth, but it is not like they are making a new chapter each week ffs. Wouldn't it be better to download ONE game, instead of 3 "weeks" + a lot of specials?

Sorry for ranting, i just had to get it out, kinda tired of the same repeating bullshit that goes with those games.
 

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I wonder what in the actual fuck go through some devs head to split their games up like that... Sure it might be slightly better for people with limited bandwidth, but it is not like they are making a new chapter each week ffs. Wouldn't it be better to download ONE game, instead of 3 "weeks" + a lot of specials?

Sorry for ranting, i just had to get it out, kinda tired of the same repeating bullshit that goes with those games.
I actually think the opposite would have been better. Instead of making every release a new part of a larger game, maybe that should have treated each week as a stand alone release. That way they could improve each week as they go, instead of worrying about fixing the problems with the older stuff in order to intergrade it with the new stuff.
 

baloneysammich

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I actually think the opposite would have been better. Instead of making every release a new part of a larger game, maybe that should have treated each week as a stand alone release. That way they could improve each week as they go, instead of worrying about fixing the problems with the older stuff in order to intergrade it with the new stuff.
Sort of a Catch-22.

Continuity across the entire game seems to be pretty important. If the programmers had had the skills to provide continuity between standalone releases from the beginning (or even since the W1 merge) we wouldn't be having this discussion IMO.
 

Skummy Ecchi

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Pretty much considering Month 1 a catching up session for fixin years of faulty coding and half assing shit to just get updates out, as Bluecat ran through coders until landing on Latecomer who then began fixing and optimizing shit. Once its done, that's it, no more of these standalone weeks, until the next standalone four weeks probably god dammit...

But then we just have it be folded in quickyl and become Months 1 and 2 etc or some crap.

I'm sleepy and have a day of at least seven hours of driving, so yeah I'll be back with more Ecchi!
 

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Pretty much considering Month 1 a catching up session for fixin years of faulty coding and half assing shit to just get updates out, as Bluecat ran through coders until landing on Latecomer who then began fixing and optimizing shit. Once its done, that's it, no more of these standalone weeks, until the next standalone four weeks probably god dammit...
Wait, I thought Latecomer was on the project from near the start? They've been answering dev questions since Day 2 came out, with seemingly "insider" knowledge on the project.
 

Skummy Ecchi

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Wait, I thought Latecomer was on the project from near the start? They've been answering dev questions since Day 2 came out, with seemingly "insider" knowledge on the project.
He wasn't the main coder in those early days, the original coder is unnamed and why the first three days needed redone originally, then it was Boom, before Late took over I think in week 1's merge, and has been working on improvements and the like since then.
 

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I actually think the opposite would have been better. Instead of making every release a new part of a larger game, maybe that should have treated each week as a stand alone release. That way they could improve each week as they go, instead of worrying about fixing the problems with the older stuff in order to intergrade it with the new stuff.
That depends on continuity, if your personal preference matters the characters you interact and the way you interact/the ones you fuck and the ones you refuse to fuck, then one long story should be the standar, if it doesn't/it's a story with a single or binary ending at the end regardless of previous choice, then it's not necesary

I assume it would be in the realm of programing nightmare to go back and do a head-count of the choices previously made, even for those playing it

Daughter for dessert had to make cheats specially for those who donated on patreon to see multiple paths in a single chapter along with not allowing even a half-assed galery.
 

Asashi

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I actually think the opposite would have been better. Instead of making every release a new part of a larger game, maybe that should have treated each week as a stand alone release. That way they could improve each week as they go, instead of worrying about fixing the problems with the older stuff in order to intergrade it with the new stuff.
Isn't that what already happens tho? It does makes sense to an extent, but keep in mind that issues with older versions likely need to be fixed in the new ones anyway.

If they were made with different engines or had major changes in gameplay it would make sense (like a turn-base rpg becoming an action rpg or fps). I haven't really played it yet so correct me if i'm wrong, but it is just a simple visual novel made with Ren'Py in terms of gameplay.

Perhaps it is an issue with Ren'Py handling too much content? I'm don't know much about the engine, but if that is the case it is understandable at least.
 

Oni-Zero

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Isn't that what already happens tho? It does makes sense to an extent, but keep in mind that issues with older versions likely need to be fixed in the new ones anyway.

If they were made with different engines or had major changes in gameplay it would make sense (like a turn-base rpg becoming an action rpg or fps). I haven't really played it yet so correct me if i'm wrong, but it is just a simple visual novel made with Ren'Py in terms of gameplay.

Perhaps it is an issue with Ren'Py handling too much content? I'm don't know much about the engine, but if that is the case it is understandable at least.
I'll put your last point into perspective, there's this company called Black Lilith making this series of VN called Taimanin they make other games of course but this one is their main franchise, their VN's run in this engine older that Ren'py called Kirikiri and their VN can be a 40+ hours marathon with multiple paths

I know i shouldn't compare a company that had such a long time learning how to handle a code to a newbie, but as someone i know that's working on reverse a game made from a heavily modified-source code of another genre puts it "the quality of the code is directly proportional to how competent the coder/programer is" when you lean into that logic, you are lowering the standar, which leads to giving excuses for games like yandere simulator or fallout 76
 

baloneysammich

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I assume it would be in the realm of programing nightmare to go back and do a head-count of the choices previously made, even for those playing it
Actually it would be pretty easy because all choices were tracked with variables such as d1d1 (day 1 decision 1) and so on.
 

Asashi

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"the quality of the code is directly proportional to how competent the coder/programer is" when you lean into that logic, you are lowering the standar, which leads to giving excuses for games like yandere simulator or fallout 76
Well, let's take a look at that really quick:
Ren'Py is a ready to use engine made for VNs. While someone obviously had to code it, this doesn't mean the author of this VN even touched the source code. Like i said, IF it is Ren'Py's fault by any means (which tbh I doubt) it is understandable, not everyone knows how to code and/or have time to learn after all.

Yandere Simulator and Fallout 76 issues are more related to "how do we handle that problem?" than skills imo. Both have shit game designs, and the Yandere Sim. dev manages to be worse than whoever makes the decisions at Bethesda. Also FO76 engine was originally for single-player games.
 
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Well, let's take a look at that really quick:
Ren'Py is a ready to use engine made for VNs. While someone obviously had to code it, this doesn't mean the author of this VN even touched the source code. Like i said, IF it is Ren'Py's fault by any means (which tbh I doubt) it is understandable, not everyone knows how to code and/or have time to learn after all.

Yandere Simulator and Fallout 76 issues are more related to "how do we handle that problem?" than skills imo. Both have shit game designs, and the Yandere Sim. dev manages to be worse than whoever makes the decisions at Bethesda. Also FO76 engine was originally for single-player games.
Bluecat has a bunch of features he wants in the game that are not standard to Ren'py and probably shouldn't have been tried without more experience. Frankly, this is why I tell new devs that they should make a small game first before trying something more ambitious. But it's his game and once the merge is complete it all should work and saves should transfer between weeks. That is the main reason for the merge and why it's taking so long.

I wonder what in the actual fuck go through some devs head to split their games up like that... Sure it might be slightly better for people with limited bandwidth, but it is not like they are making a new chapter each week ffs. Wouldn't it be better to download ONE game, instead of 3 "weeks" + a lot of specials?

Sorry for ranting, i just had to get it out, kinda tired of the same repeating bullshit that goes with those games.
In this case breaking the game up was necessary. Day 1 (not week 1, Day 1) on release was over 2 Gb and had more content than most completed games at the time. Each subsequent day has been roughly as large, although thanks to better compression and coding have been much smaller in size. While there's not a lot of branching, the current 21 days are probably enough to put this in the top 3 biggest porn games. There's also some bugs with some of the features that can crash the game when trying to transfer saves, so breaking it into weeks wasn't entirely by choice.
 

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We're going to be hitting a year soon, and personally I dont mind...broke up or a full file, I just want to see something. Like cant we get the next updates that were ready by themselves while they work on the merge? The merged is supposed to be the full game right, with nothing new added. So why not just release the next update as update the latest one, and work on the merge. At this point its been so long probably have to replay the story anyway. Just to remember what happened.
 

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It's the feature I'm most excited about, but I agree completely.
The character info is my favorite feature of the game as well!
Glad the team is making some progress. I feel really bad for that crew- so much negativity surrounding their works. Hopefully everything can get back on track once they release the merger and we can get the stats back later ^_^.
 
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We're going to be hitting a year soon, and personally I dont mind...broke up or a full file, I just want to see something. Like cant we get the next updates that were ready by themselves while they work on the merge? The merged is supposed to be the full game right, with nothing new added. So why not just release the next update as update the latest one, and work on the merge. At this point its been so long probably have to replay the story anyway. Just to remember what happened.
Two problems with that, one the update has to play nice with the merge, so it has to be done first before anything new is released. Two? You'll have to replay the whole game anyways, this whole thing will be incompatible with anything previously done of course, therefore you wouldn't have any degree of variables loaded into the updates properly until you first played through Month 1, and to do that, the Merge must finish.

This is why the smartest decision was to do it all at once, to avoid these types of headaches in the staggered format that was also suggested. This way, all you have to do is sit and wait, no fumbling around with shit or having things break because of updates not playing nice or correctly as the merge processes stretches out.
 
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