VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[Smarmint]

Yeah, I getcha. I'm in a similar position with Crazy Nurse. We like what we like.

Very true. For me, I am not really a fan of Fuyu content. She is cute and all, but I just don't care for the cuckquean trope. In games that try it, the cuckquean is always the most boring character, in my opinion.

But I know a lot of people like her, so to each his own.

I could do without Crazy Nurse also.

Mainly, characters that seem simplistic, with no real mystery to their character, fail to keep my interest as a player. For me, personally, getting to know the characters, and slowly reveal through playing the game, parts of their personality or history, is what makes a character interesting. So, characters like Crista, or Sloth-Chan, or Kaede, or Masai, seem the most compelling to me.

 

[RandoCard3]

Very true. For me, I am not really a fan of Fuyu content. She is cute and all, but I just don't care for the cuckquean trope. In games that try it, the cuckquean is always the most boring character, in my opinion.

But I know a lot of people like her, so to each his own.

I could do without Crazy Nurse also.

Mainly, characters that seem simplistic, with no real mystery to their character, fail to keep my interest as a player. For me, personally, getting to know the characters, and slowly reveal through playing the game, parts of their personality or history, is what makes a character interesting. So, characters like Crista, or Sloth-Chan, or Kaede, or Masai, seem the most compelling to me.

For me, it's the fact that she's the biggest threat to the students, and I'm a weirdo who's fully embraced the role of their teacher, and feel I need to look out for them. Except from me, obviously. I also kinda resent that she's holding Chiaki and Haruka's content hostage.

Christa is definitely underrated. I've always liked her, and always felt like a dick when Matsu wasn't paying attention to what she was saying. I like where her content seems to be going. I love the other three you mentioned too, but they're fan favourites, so it kinda goes without saying

I do like Fuyu, but I wonder if having her and Tomoe make peace so early was a mistake. Having those two trying to one up each other could have been interesting, especially if Fuyu failed occasionally. Currently, she's a bit too perfect. Though, I suppose that's the drawbacks of the harem porn genre. Eventually, most of the girls end up revolving around the MC. That's why I've gotten more interest in poly routes than harem routes lately. It feels less shallow and one sided.

 

[Steve70]

Though, I suppose that's the drawbacks of the harem porn genre.

It is likely that very few of the people writing "harem" porn have actual experience with multiple wives. It is difficult to imagine something with which you are unfamiliar, and that gimps the writing. (You rarely find in-depth characterization of females in porn games for the same reason.)

As a side note, BlueCat is still alive (as far as we know) and apparently working on Ecchi Sensei. His latest Patreon post is dated October 29th, 2021.

 

[RandoCard3]

It is likely that very few of the people writing "harem" porn have actual experience with multiple wives. It is difficult to imagine something with which you are unfamiliar, and that gimps the writing. (You rarely find in-depth characterization of females in porn games for the same reason.)

As a side note, BlueCat is still alive (as far as we know) and apparently working on Ecchi Sensei. His latest Patreon post is dated October 29th, 2021.

Yeah, that post explains that, now that the profiles are temporarily removed, he's given his lead coder and ultimatum. So, we're expecting the release this month, or failing that, some kind of drastic, less than ideal action will be taken to get it out shortly after. Skummy copy/pasted the whole post a few months back if you want to try to find it yourself.

As for the harem thing, I don't think actual harems would be what they'd want to base it on, as anime harems have more in common with polyamory than actual harems. The problem is that they take a lot of influence from more toxic poly relationships, where it largely revolves around the dude, with it new woman feeling less like a character and more like something to add to the collection. Actual harems rarely took consent into consideration, and tended to make slaves of the women.

 

[PrimeGuy]

It is likely that very few of the people writing "harem" porn have actual experience with multiple wives. It is difficult to imagine something with which you are unfamiliar, and that gimps the writing. (You rarely find in-depth characterization of females in porn games for the same reason.)

As a side note, BlueCat is still alive (as far as we know) and apparently working on Ecchi Sensei. His latest Patreon post is dated October 29th, 2021.

The Harem genre is about fulfilling a fantasy, so I'm not sure how realistic I'd *want* the relationship dynamic to be, with that in mind. I've never seen a real life harem, and probably never will. They're not a thing that really happens very often in North America, where I live. Polyamorous and open relationships are starting to be more frequent, but they're not really the same thing.

I honestly don't even know if countries historically famous for harems/multiple wives are still practising those traditions anymore. If they are, I have my doubts that the reality of what they have holds up to the fantasy that is the draw (to me) of a harem game.

Good writing doesn't have to be 100% realistic. Characters can still seem like well fleshed out people. Overarching plots can be engaging. The important part is being able to suspend disbelief at the stuff that doesn't fit in with real life. After all, any story with magic in it, or science fiction with significantly advanced technology have aspects of them being written about that the author has no direct experience with. They have to extrapolate, be creative and imaginative, to weave the unrealistic elements into their story in a way that it doesn't break the illusion.

 

[Steve70]

They have to extrapolate, be creative and imaginative, to weave the unrealistic elements into their story in a way that it doesn't break the illusion.

And therein lies the rub. It takes both skill and imagination to write good fiction, and that is something totally different from creating a game. That is why serious game creators hire a writer.

 

[Dragon59]

I do like Fuyu, but I wonder if having her and Tomoe make peace so early was a mistake. Having those two trying to one up each other could have been interesting, especially if Fuyu failed occasionally. Currently, she's a bit too perfect. Though, I suppose that's the drawbacks of the harem porn genre. Eventually, most of the girls end up revolving around the MC. That's why I've gotten more interest in poly routes than harem routes lately. It feels less shallow and one sided.

My own frustration with not enough poly routes is what helped inspire me to begin working on a polyamorous game.

It is likely that very few of the people writing "harem" porn have actual experience with multiple wives. It is difficult to imagine something with which you are unfamiliar, and that gimps the writing. (You rarely find in-depth characterization of females in porn games for the same reason.)

I hope my 40 years of polyamory will help me make more believable relationships.

The Harem genre is about fulfilling a fantasy, so I'm not sure how realistic I'd *want* the relationship dynamic to be, with that in mind. I've never seen a real life harem, and probably never will. They're not a thing that really happens very often in North America, where I live. Polyamorous and open relationships are starting to be more frequent, but they're not really the same thing.

The closest thing we have here are the Fundamentalist Mormons.

I honestly don't even know if countries historically famous for harems/multiple wives are still practising those traditions anymore. If they are, I have my doubts that the reality of what they have holds up to the fantasy that is the draw (to me) of a harem game.

Probably not the grand harems of legend and the Ottoman Empire, but polygynous marriage does still occur (usually with two or three wives). I've heard that immigrant families with multiple wives are forced to conform to US standards (if entering the US).

I know there were areas of India where polyandrous marriage was practiced. A number of brothers married to one woman in order to avoid splitting inheritance. Not sure if that is still the case. I'd seen it in an anthropology course.

One Bride for Seven Brothers -- a failed early draft by Johnny Mercer, Al Kasha, et. al.

Good writing doesn't have to be 100% realistic. Characters can still seem like well fleshed out people. Overarching plots can be engaging. The important part is being able to suspend disbelief at the stuff that doesn't fit in with real life. After all, any story with magic in it, or science fiction with significantly advanced technology have aspects of them being written about that the author has no direct experience with. They have to extrapolate, be creative and imaginative, to weave the unrealistic elements into their story in a way that it doesn't break the illusion.

True, but it really needs to have an internal logic that is consistent and doesn't require too much "suspension of disbelief."

 

[jamdan]

Usually, having multiple partners (wives/husbands) is because of a belief system. Like Mormons or some Muslims have.

I think the other way is when a couple decide to add another person for sexual reasons, and then it becomes a 3-way relationship along the way.

Not many people seek multi-person relationships for reasons other than their belief system (religion) or sexual reasons.

I do think, in these games especially, you need some suspension of disbelief. Because most of these multi-person relationships involved the MC cheating on everyone, and then they all decide they didn't care for whatever reason when they found out. Harem MC's, this games included, are usually pretty manipulative and the girls aren't too bright.

 

[RandoCard3]

My own frustration with not enough poly routes is what helped inspire me to begin working on a polyamorous game.

I hope my 40 years of polyamory will help me make more believable relationships.

Colour me intrigued. I look forward to seeing what you do.

 

[Dragon59]

Colour me intrigued. I look forward to seeing what you do.

Thanks. Production slowed down a bit with my return to full-time work. I have about 30% of the first day's renders done and am currently settling on the models for the last two of the seven characters who'll be introduced in the first update.

 

[Odin16]

ok after 2 months i came back......soo what´s the new excuse for the delay???

 

[AnimeKing314]

ok after 2 months i came back......soo what´s the new excuse for the delay???

No new excuses or anything. Couple months ago bc gave latecomer an ultimatum with an absolute deadline that expires at the end of this month. I'd say check in early january to see the results of that

 

[RandoCard3]

ok after 2 months i came back......soo what´s the new excuse for the delay???

In addition to what AnimeKing said, if Latecomer fails to deliver by the end of the year, there is a less than ideal back up plan, that I think will be releasing the merge in an incomplete state and coming back to it later. I'm not 100% certain on that last part though, as they don't want to say what that last resort plan is.

 

[Smarmint]

In addition to what AnimeKing said, if Latecomer fails to deliver by the end of the year, there is a less than ideal back up plan, that I think will be releasing the merge in an incomplete state and coming back to it later.

Just my 2 cents, but if the merge doesn't happen by the deadline, I would just say forget about it, and release a new chapter with new content. Who really cares if it is one release or several chapters?

Just release Ecchi Sensei Chapter 2, with whatever content Bluecat has been working on all this time, and just keep adding to it every few months without bothering to merge anything with existing content. If some great programmer wants to merge everything later, and while Bluecat keeps releasing new content, in parallel, rather than have everything come to a standstill, they can surprise everyone with an actual merge in another 6 months to a year. But since we will all be getting regular new content, few will care either way.

 

[Steve70]

I've heard that immigrant families with multiple wives are forced to conform to US standards (if entering the US).

This is true. You are forced to pick one wife to be your "official wife," and your other wives are relegated to "mistresses." I disagree with this policy, but I also understand the reason why you are forced to accept the culture's idea of what is acceptable.

 

[Kulman]

This is true. You are forced to pick one wife to be your "official wife," and your other wives are relegated to "mistresses." I disagree with this policy, but I also understand the reason why you are forced to accept the culture's idea of what is acceptable.

I am guessing it is also from a practical standpoint. Their legal system is set for monogamic marriages. How would splitting your assets etc be done if it was not so? Also some people could be a solo green card printing machine then...

 

[TheGreySun]

Sooo, I just played weeks 1-3, and I have some questions... Why such a major tonal shift between weeks 1&2 and week 3? What I mean is, MC during weeks 1&2 seems to be a good dad and teacher(incest not withstanding) and honestly seems to care about others save for his lapse into darkness when it comes to the nurse(love her crazy ass) and that thicc girl, but week 3 MC is so tonally Changed, he's less caring about his daughters lives outside of sex and even treats students like shit(poor bathroom girl, she just wanted a kiss), he seems like a completely different person in week 3, and I know it isn't just supperfical and he was hiding this attitude because you can litterally see his thoughts and even they went from caring about people to "I'll use them as I please", with the exeption of Tomoe and Fuyu who he still treats like real ladies for the most part....did they get a new writer for week 3 or something?

 

[RandoCard3]

Sooo, I just played weeks 1-3, and I have some questions... Why such a major tonal shift between weeks 1&2 and week 3? What I mean is, MC during weeks 1&2 seems to be a good dad and teacher(incest not withstanding) and honestly seems to care about others save for his lapse into darkness when it comes to the nurse(love her crazy ass) and that thicc girl, but week 3 MC is so tonally Changed, he's less caring about his daughters lives outside of sex and even treats students like shit(poor bathroom girl, she just wanted a kiss), he seems like a completely different person in week 3, and I know it isn't just supperfical and he was hiding this attitude because you can litterally see his thoughts and even they went from caring about people to "I'll use them as I please", with the exeption of Tomoe and Fuyu who he still treats like real ladies for the most part....did they get a new writer for week 3 or something?

The girl in the toilet is a T8, a fanmade character who's storyline is dictating my upper tier patrons. That's probably why Matsu seems so out of character here.

Been a while since I've touched the game though, so I couldn't say what happens with the proper content. Got any screenshots?

 

[TheGreySun]

The girl in the toilet is a T8, a fanmade character who's storyline is dictating my upper tier patrons. That's probably why Matsu seems so out of character here.

Been a while since I've touched the game though, so I couldn't say what happens with the proper content. Got any screenshots?

Ah, see that explains so much about that moment given how disjointed it felt lol, I don't have any screen shots(also to lazy to go back and get some lol) but an example of his change would be the way he views lilith(?) the 2nd dancer girl, his inner monolog was basicly "I can't wait to play with this one" even though she didn't like him, in week 1&2 if someone didn't like him he was polite but just called her a bitch mentally, he didn't get all rapey on them, also the way he thinks about sloth-chan when he brings her home in week2 vs' week3 is way diffrent, week 3 being way rapeyer than before(i get it sloth-chan is hot but damn bro calm your jimmies), I don't think I would have noticed the major shift if I hadn't played 1-3 back to back, but its kinda jarring given that I did, when playing 1-2 I saw people here say he seems like a narcasitic asshole and I didn't get it because he seemed nice for the most part(nurse and thicc girl not withstanding) then week 3 happened and I understood lol he feels way different tonally, the best way I could put it is in weeks 1-2 he would stare at a girls tits and try to fight it and if cought he'd say sorry(and seem to mean it... mostly) but in week 3 he's just full on "mmm me wanna rapey the boobies" get cought and apologize but still be thinking "me gonna rapey boobies". not the best way to explain it, but I feel like some people might understand what I mean.

 

[Dragon59]

This is true. You are forced to pick one wife to be your "official wife," and your other wives are relegated to "mistresses." I disagree with this policy, but I also understand the reason why you are forced to accept the culture's idea of what is acceptable.

Yet the US will enforce US restrictions even when a citizen is in another culture. We have laws on the books that (theoretically) enforce our age of consent laws when an American "Sex Tourist" goes abroad. I expect many with money get away with it. Not endorsing sex tourism, I just find it strange that some of our laws follow citizens abroad, but not others. I'm not sure if general anti-prostitution statutes follow to countries that have legalized prostitution. Probably not, otherwise Nevada's sex tourism industry would be hindered.

I am guessing it is also from a practical standpoint. Their legal system is set for monogamic marriages. How would splitting your assets etc be done if it was not so? Also some people could be a solo green card printing machine then...

Very true. It's something a lot of polyamorous advocates don't quite realize. Poly marriage would not be as easy to implement as same-sex marriage, largely because of financial and custody issues.