Virulenz

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Its not ntr when it was in the past outside of the game, dreams of the past outside of the game does not count towards ntr.
That may be partially correct for most games, but remember the past time episodes, we WILL see it at some point...if the game ever comes back to life, right now its only a zombie, slowly rotting but still running around...
 

harem - king

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To be fair, NTR is one of the most butchered terms by now and nobody actually understands the meaning of it anymore. Very strictly speaking, NTR encompasses more than just netorare, also netori, netorase, etc, and netorare in general is ANY sort of cheating.
NTR does not at all encompass netori. Those are two completely different concepts. You will never, ever, ever see a Japanese adult video where the main character is stealing away another character's love interest labeled as NTR. You might see it as "逆NTR" but that kanji before NTR means "reverse" or "opposite".
 

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In this game Matsu does not have people steal the women from him, he steals the women from everyone else, that includes the past. There is no chance that Mao isn't Matsu's daughter, and the step daughter thing was mostly to skirt around Patreon's limitations while still having a daughter in the vanilla version. I have no doubt it is just Matsu being dark and forgetting because he was blackout mode, because Blue fucking hates NTR in any context including the past. That much is clear if you hang out on the discord :3

I still haven't asked about shit, so don't bother asking, I'm a bit busy right now but I'll let you know what happens over the next few days of where we are at and answer Smartmint's question. I was just ducking in to put this up.
 
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NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
(( The main word here is "having" present tense.))

((A lot of players see ntr and they think that the girls should never had a boyfriend having sex with each other ever in there life.))
((For these players they see "having"(present tense) as "had"(past tense) when it comes to ntr.))
And no offense but your FOS (Full of shit), NTR had not a damn thing to do with technically this, or that. It's about the fact that if the person playing the game has an emotional connection with the character and someone else goes balls deep in said female character it's NTR. Because I'm not a cuck beta bitch, and I don't want other people putting dicks in who I see as my woman.

NTR is about some fucked up fetish that people have where they get off on the thought of someone fucking their girl. You can try and point at tag's, definitions, and it all means jack, and shit. It boils down to the emotions involved and if someone has an attachment to what ever character is getting plowed. If that's what you want no one cares, but don't try to justify crap in a game your not producing.


P.S. I won't get involved in you justifying your views, I said my piece, and I will not be responding further.
 

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And no offense but your FOS (Full of shit), NTR had not a damn thing to do with technically this, or that. It's about the fact that if the person playing the game has an emotional connection with the character and someone else goes balls deep in said female character it's NTR. Because I'm not a cuck beta bitch, and I don't want other people putting dicks in who I see as my woman.

NTR is about some fucked up fetish that people have where they get off on the thought of someone fucking their girl. You can try and point at tag's, definitions, and it all means jack, and shit. It boils down to the emotions involved and if someone has an attachment to what ever character is getting plowed. If that's what you want no one cares, but don't try to justify crap in a game your not producing.


P.S. I won't get involved in you justifying your views, I said my piece, and I will not be responding further.
Cherry picking part of my post makes you miss the point.

If your girl that you did not even know 10 years ago had sex with her boyfriend at that time is not, and I repeat is not ntr.
If your girlfriend that you broke up with then goes out and has sex with someone else is not and I repeat is not ntr.
If a girl has sex and she is not your love interest at that time this is also not ntr.


Stop cherry picking post content to make your point with and take in the whole post.
 

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Cherry picking part of my post makes you miss the point.

If your girl that you did not even know 10 years ago had sex with her boyfriend at that time is not, and I repeat is not ntr.
If your girlfriend that you broke up with then goes out and has sex with someone else is not and I repeat is not ntr.
If a girl has sex and she is not your love interest at that time this is also not ntr.


Stop cherry picking post content to make your point with and take in the whole post.
Ok, but none of those are what happens in the specific situation we're talking. The definition of NTR isn't relevant to this thread outside of the specifics of Mao's parentage. This discussion is about the likelihood of Mao being anyone other than Matsu's daughter, based on BCs dislike of NTR. The official definition doesn't actually matter in this case, only what hits BCs anti-NTR button.

If it's not related to Ecchi Sensei, then it's not relevant to this thread.
 
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In this game Matsu does not have people steal the women from him, he steals the women from everyone else, that includes the past. There is no chance that Mao isn't Matsu's daughter, and the step daughter thing was mostly to skirt around Patreon's limitations while still having a daughter in the vanilla version. I have no doubt it is just Matsu being dark and forgetting because he was blackout mode, because Blue fucking hates NTR in any context including the past. That much is clear if you hang out on the discord :3

I still haven't asked about shit, so don't bother asking, I'm a bit busy right now but I'll let you know what happens over the next few days of where we are at and answer Smartmint's question. I was just ducking in to put this up.
That's kind of disappointing then and kind of ruins the mystery they were building up. I'm not a fan of NTR either, but since Mao was introduced from the very beginning as a step daughter, anyone playing would be prepared for that one scene we would eventually get that led to her birth. I think they could have made an exception in that one case.

But if they wanted Matsu to be the father, it would have made more sense to go the other way. Hiroko could have blocked out the memory of the rape, and maybe Matsu was too ashamed of it so he lied. I don't really like that idea either, but it makes more sense than Hiroku lying to Matsu to protect him from a dark side he is already very much aware of. But since the past episodes already have Matsu being angry at Hiroko for cheating, it's too late to go the other route I guess.

Oh well, that's just my opinion. Maybe it'll change once we get the official reveal in the game itself depending on how he does it.
 

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That's kind of disappointing then and kind of ruins the mystery they were building up. I'm not a fan of NTR either, but since Mao was introduced from the very beginning as a step daughter, anyone playing would be prepared for that one scene we would eventually get that led to her birth. I think they could have made an exception in that one case.

But if they wanted Matsu to be the father, it would have made more sense to go the other way. Hiroko could have blocked out the memory of the rape, and maybe Matsu was too ashamed of it so he lied. I don't really like that idea either, but it makes more sense than Hiroku lying to Matsu to protect him from a dark side he is already very much aware of. But since the past episodes already have Matsu being angry at Hiroko for cheating, it's too late to go the other route I guess.

Oh well, that's just my opinion. Maybe it'll change once we get the official reveal in the game itself depending on how he does it.
Well he doesnt have to show it and the fact she was clearly not into anyone but Matsu means its not really NTR anyway, Matsu got the girl - there was no taking her away from him. I also aint buying the BS it was just Patreon skriting as its been a massive factor in the story for Mao and her contention with her mom over it... its a full story arc yet to be fully resolved. I personally have long speculated it was Matsu's dad - revenge for his son banging his mom or perhaps just because hes a depraved piece of shit too (Matsu likely just a chip off the old block as he had no chance with parents like his in all honestly lol, its his sister i most feel for but then she coveted it too - they're a fucked up family).
 

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Well he doesnt have to show it and the fact she was clearly not into anyone but Matsu means its not really NTR anyway, Matsu got the girl - there was no taking her away from him. I also aint buying the BS it was just Patreon skriting as its been a massive factor in the story for Mao and her contention with her mom over it... its a full story arc yet to be fully resolved. I personally have long speculated it was Matsu's dad - revenge for his son banging his mom or perhaps just because hes a depraved piece of shit too (Matsu likely just a chip off the old block as he had no chance with parents like his in all honestly lol, its his sister i most feel for but then she coveted it too - they're a fucked up family).
Exactly, the actual act could easily happen off screen. And technically, since we've gone this long believing Mao is a step daughter and we saw past time episodes where Matsu was angry with Hiroko for getting pregnant with someone else, we already have NTR in the game. We just don't know who it was with. I don't imagine revealing that it's Matsu's father, or Hiroko's father, or whoever else at this point would upset many people. We should be expecting it. But if Bluecat is really THIS deadset against it, then I don't know.
 

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So it's my first time playing the game and I wanted to make sure I started properly: I'm downloading the Week1 (Days 1-7) final version light compressed, will this version include the Dark Mind Patch, or do I have to download that separately, and is that compatible with the compressed versions? Thanks!
 

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So it's my first time playing the game and I wanted to make sure I started properly: I'm downloading the Week1 (Days 1-7) final version light compressed, will this version include the Dark Mind Patch, or do I have to download that separately, and is that compatible with the compressed versions? Thanks!
Yes you have to download the dark mind patch for week 1 and it is also compatible with the compressed version.
 

Virulenz

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There is no chance that Mao isn't Matsu's daughter, and the step daughter thing was mostly to skirt around Patreon's limitations while still having a daughter in the vanilla version.
While i agree to the first part, the reason is stupid. The other girls are his kids and beg for incest before mao true feelings even got hinted. Patreon limits were the reason for the dark mind patch since day1 and some step-shit wouldnt change it. So its a pure story element, either for the reasons the others here prefer (some rape-blackout) or for the theory i posted long ago. But whatever it is, patreon has nothing to do with it ^^
 

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Who cares ( sarcasm ) all i want is a update or merge soon.
I miss this game.
Hopefully we get some good news today. I doubt it after the non-status report on Christmas, but they did say they'd have something by the end of the year, and that Status Report didn't say whether they could make it by the end of the year, just not for Christmas.
 
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Yes some players get really butt hurt even if the MC never even knew the girl that is having sex with her boyfriend even if it was 10 years before MC even knew of the girl.

All we can do is go by the tag rules.

NTR [Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.]
(( The main word here is "having" present tense.))

((A lot of players see ntr and they think that the girls should never had a boyfriend having sex with each other ever in there life.))
((For these players they see "having"(present tense) as "had"(past tense) when it comes to ntr.))
is it really NTR if it isn't actually shown?.. I think not. We never see Mao's conception, it is only in text as history. ( if I remember correctly ) But I may be wrong.
 

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Well, end of the year is a little vague...are we talking about 2021, 2022, 2030, ...?
It's not. Unless they've previously specified a year, then when someone says "by the end of the year" they generally mean the current year.

Besides, I think they did specify this year.

is it really NTR if it isn't actually shown?.. I think not. We never see Mao's conception, it is only in text as history. ( if I remember correctly ) But I may be wrong.
I don't think it matters if it's onscreen or not. The cheating is the inciting incident, but from what I understand, NTR is also about the emotional pain that follows. That part is still very much part of this story, which leads me to think it's intended as a fake out.

I don't really care either way, beyond it making the sex scenes with Mao a little spicier :p

That said, I do think Matsu's blackout rapist moments haven't been that well established at this point. I may just feel that way due to the incomplete content though.

Skummy Ecchi Unrelated, but I'm curious. Do you know if the idea of starting from scratch has been brought up among the team at all? I'm not saying they should, or not, but I curious if the idea has come up, even if it's been dismissed outright.
 
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I think that the "by the end of the year" was the deadline for the coder to complete their work, not for the intention of the released merge - but we should at least be able to find out if they're going ahead with the merge or going with the mysterious plan B soon.
 
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