VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[AnimeKing314]

Lol its voluntaire base subscrition so it cant be even a scam.

Any thing he do is promiss stuff that he wont follow up ad the moment, but what he do is not illiagal bye law.

And before u say i am a supporter or some 1 that kiss his ass, u are mistaken but plz dont take stuff out of context.

Most scams (or at least successful ones) will try to get people to voluntarily pay money. Often this is through more devious means (like the famous fake call centers that try to take CC info) but there have been scams on patreon too (ICSTOR is often quoted in this very thread). Voluntary payment does not mean it can't be a scam. Also, while the law is a little more fuzzy on crowdsourced projects generally if something is promised for money and then not delivered then it is illegal (unless the money is promptly returned).

To be clear, I don't have an opinion one way or another as to whether this is a scam (by bluecat or latecomer cuz either one could be at this point). I'm part of the group that's just hoping for the best while preparing for the worst (though I do like to point out whenever latecomer is clearly bullshitting everyone since it's something that I actually am knowledgeable in).

While we're on the subject. How would someone going about requesting this game gets marked as On Hold or Abandoned? Is there a sub forum or something, or do you just pester an mod directly?

You could report the thread but reports don't allow for conversations so maybe a ticket would be the best way. Overwise you could always try tagging a mod or staff member in the thread but I'm not sure they would appreciate that.

 

[Smarmint]

While we're on the subject. How would someone going about requesting this game gets marked as On Hold or Abandoned? Is there a sub forum or something, or do you just pester an mod directly?

Submitting a ticket is the best way. This goes to the forum mods. There is also the Features Request forum for suggestions and clarifications of site policies, but a ticket is probably the way to go for this situation.

I would also make the point that Skummy, while we all appreciate his perspective, isn't the developer and isn't actually involved in the development at all. From what I can tell from his posts, he is a fan and long time sponsor of the game, that chats with BlueCat from time to time on discord, but isn't involved in the coding, rendering, planning, or any part of the actual game development, so any communication by Skummy that the game is being worked on should not count for the radio silence time regarding communication by the developer.

 

[RandoCard3]

You could report the thread but reports don't allow for conversations so maybe a ticket would be the best way. Overwise you could always try tagging a mod or staff member in the thread but I'm not sure they would appreciate that.

Submitting a ticket is the best way. This goes to the forum mods. There is also the Features Request forum for suggestions and clarifications of site policies, but a ticket is probably the way to go for this situation.

I would also make the point that Skummy, while we all appreciate his perspective, isn't the developer and isn't actually involved in the development at all. From what I can tell from his posts, he is a fan and long time sponsor of the game, that chats with BlueCat from time to time on discord, but isn't involved in the coding, rendering, planning, or any part of the actual game development, so any communication by Skummy that the game is being worked on should not count for the radio silence time regarding communication by the developer.

I went with a ticket. Thanks for the info.
Not sure it will mean much though.
As for Skummy, he wasn't exactly given much to work with in the first place, so I'm not sure it's going to make much difference if he whether the mods count him or not.

 

[RandoCard3]

Hello RandoCard3,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention - we're also aware of the game's status and thus far they have been meeting our conditions to remain current in our forum. That status may change in the future, of course.

Hope that helps,

Ah, well.

 

[LightmanP]

An admin mentioned that the policy is ~18 months without any updates, so still a bit to go if it gets marked.

 

[Dukez]

An admin mentioned that the policy is ~18 months without any updates, so still a bit to go if it gets marked.

What's that then, 4 more months until it gets there? Seems plausible with the slow rate on this merger.

 

[graz150]

What's that then, 4 more months until it gets there? Seems plausible with the slow rate on this merger.

Couldn't they just do what they have done every 2.5 months until now, and release some bullshit 2Mb update that just change version numbers? Wouldn't doing that bypass the 18 months rule too?

 

[Dukez]

Couldn't they just do what they have done every 2.5 months until now, and release some bullshit 2Mb update that just change version numbers? Wouldn't doing that bypass the 18 months rule too?

Perhaps, but that might almost certainly make the situation worse lol.

 

[Paitryn]

The policy is 3 months without any update. Including patreon posting. Thats for an abandoned tag. On hold is strictly at the request of the dev. So as long as posts are made on patreon this will never have the abandoned tag.

Sad. At what point does someone accept they failed and move forward on a project? But as long as they get paid to not release content we will never really know.

 

[AnimeKing314]

The policy is 3 months without any update. Including patreon posting. Thats for an abandoned tag. On hold is strictly at the request of the dev. So as long as posts are made on patreon this will never have the abandoned tag.

Sad. At what point does someone accept they failed and move forward on a project? But as long as they get paid to not release content we will never really know.

The exception it seems (based on the mod post above) is if there's no actual release for 18 months (which we get to at the end of April). I would guess that this is because of situations like ICSTOR so that devs can only string people along for so long.

 

[RandoCard3]

The exception it seems (based on the mod post above) is if there's no actual release for 18 months (which we get to at the end of April). I would guess that this is because of situations like ICSTOR so that devs can only string people along for so long.

Knowing he can't put it off with half arsed status reports for much longer is a small comfort at least.

 

[AnimeKing314]

Knowing he can't put it off with half arsed status reports for much longer is a small comfort at least.

Agreed, if nothing else I would at least like a status report with some actual substance (ie this is what we've done so far and this is what's left). Doesn't even need an estimated date (though hopefully they could provide one by now).

What would be really nice is if they just released what they've done so far and call it a pre-alpha.

 

[RandoCard3]

Agreed, if nothing else I would at least like a status report with some actual substance (ie this is what we've done so far and this is what's left). Doesn't even need an estimated date (though hopefully they could provide one by now).

What would be really nice is if they just released what they've done so far and call it a pre-alpha.

I tried asking for that in the Discord directly, but BC just acted like it was an unreasonable suggestion. It's a wonder they have a "Feedback" channel at all, considering how defensive they get if you give them any.

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

I don't usually praise summertime saga, but they're doing a major rework of the game currently and they've split it up into smaller updates, otherwise it would have been a year long wait to get it finished

If Latecomer can't finish all of the work at once, it makes sense to split it up into segments. They could even go through the in-game days, one at a time, re-release them once each one is remade with the new coding etc, and join each next day together once those too are finished

By the end of it, all the days would be together in one place over time

I have no knowledge of programming so what I said might be entirely dumb but it makes logical sense to me

It seems like Latecomer stares at everything, doesn't know what to do first, and so doesn't anything

 

[RandoCard3]

I don't usually praise summertime saga, but they're doing a major rework of the game currently and they've split it up into smaller updates, otherwise it would have been a year long wait to get it finished

If Latecomer can't finish all of the work at once, it makes sense to split it up into segments. They could even go through the in-game days, one at a time, re-release them once each one is remade with the new coding etc, and join each next day together once those too are finished

By the end of it, all the days would be together in one place over time

I have no knowledge of programming so what I said might be entirely dumb but it makes logical sense to me

It seems like Latecomer stares at everything, doesn't know what to do first, and so doesn't anything

I find it funny that one of the better solutions to getting the merge out is... unmerging it.

 

[AnimeKing314]

I don't usually praise summertime saga, but they're doing a major rework of the game currently and they've split it up into smaller updates, otherwise it would have been a year long wait to get it finished

If Latecomer can't finish all of the work at once, it makes sense to split it up into segments. They could even go through the in-game days, one at a time, re-release them once each one is remade with the new coding etc, and join each next day together once those too are finished

By the end of it, all the days would be together in one place over time

I have no knowledge of programming so what I said might be entirely dumb but it makes logical sense to me

It seems like Latecomer stares at everything, doesn't know what to do first, and so doesn't anything

This is more or less how renpy is built to be used. Adding on the new content to the existing game instead of releasing every part as its own separate game. This starting-from-scratch approach is probably what they should've done from the beginning as it would've let them release the entire merge in under 2 months with all the fixes.

 

[Smarmint]

Ah, well.

Thanks for trying. It was worth a shot. Mainly so we all don't have to argue any more whether it is abandoned or not, haha.

Agreed, if nothing else I would at least like a status report with some actual substance (ie this is what we've done so far and this is what's left). Doesn't even need an estimated date (though hopefully they could provide one by now).

What would be really nice is if they just released what they've done so far and call it a pre-alpha.

That would be nice. Although, I have to admit to myself, that the BS status updates about "refactoring all the code", or "rewriting the Renpy engine" is unintentionally hilarious.

I don't think BlueCat can give a detailed status update, because it would basically be this:

"I have done nothing for 18 months. I have no plans for any work on the game. Maybe someday I will decide to work on it. Thanks everyone for all your monthly donations!"

If Latecomer ever gave a legitimate status it would be this:

"Thanks for paying me for over a year to work on other games. The best gig in game development. I have no intention of writing a single line of code for Ecchi Sensei, ever."

There.

 

[Szeast]

is it me or did they use the promise "we'll try and finish the merge before the new years" 2 times like in 2020 and 2021?

 

[Dukez]

You know... here's an idea for BlueCat.

Accept the merge is taking too bloody long, and that you need to put out some content that you've likely (Oh I hope so...) already made . How to do that? Go back to monthly releases, even if it's only like 1 or 2 days per update temporarily and accept you need to carry forward the existing save system (inb4 no backups of original last day 21 build, even though you can unren it) up until hopefully the merge is done, or day 30 if need be since the game isn't supposed to change until month 2 from what I remember.

At least you would have something coming out and the expectation that everyone still needs to replay it when it switches over to the merged version with new save system etc remains in place and acknowledged.

You could even frame these days as previews, unfinished in scope etc and will be expanded upon in the merged version since maybe phone related stuff would be disabled or whatever else in this version.

Just do something, lol. In the words of Negan from The Walking Dead....

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[Skummy Ecchi]

Just to note, Bluecat has been trying to do Plan B since beginning of the year, but setbacks keep happening, much like with Plan A. It's not much to go on I know, but even with my pull in shatters now, figured that would at least hold a little bit of something. He isn't just hopelessly waiting for more lip service, he's just also very fuckin unlucky with people he tries to work with.

I'll explain more when authorized to do so, until then just giving whatever amount I still can to ease things a bit.

Stay Loving, Stay Ecchi!

~Skummy Out