VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[AnimeKing314]

The policy is 3 months without any update. Including patreon posting. Thats for an abandoned tag. On hold is strictly at the request of the dev. So as long as posts are made on patreon this will never have the abandoned tag.

Sad. At what point does someone accept they failed and move forward on a project? But as long as they get paid to not release content we will never really know.

The exception it seems (based on the mod post above) is if there's no actual release for 18 months (which we get to at the end of April). I would guess that this is because of situations like ICSTOR so that devs can only string people along for so long.

 

[RandoCard3]

The exception it seems (based on the mod post above) is if there's no actual release for 18 months (which we get to at the end of April). I would guess that this is because of situations like ICSTOR so that devs can only string people along for so long.

Knowing he can't put it off with half arsed status reports for much longer is a small comfort at least.

 

[AnimeKing314]

Knowing he can't put it off with half arsed status reports for much longer is a small comfort at least.

Agreed, if nothing else I would at least like a status report with some actual substance (ie this is what we've done so far and this is what's left). Doesn't even need an estimated date (though hopefully they could provide one by now).

What would be really nice is if they just released what they've done so far and call it a pre-alpha.

 

[RandoCard3]

Agreed, if nothing else I would at least like a status report with some actual substance (ie this is what we've done so far and this is what's left). Doesn't even need an estimated date (though hopefully they could provide one by now).

What would be really nice is if they just released what they've done so far and call it a pre-alpha.

I tried asking for that in the Discord directly, but BC just acted like it was an unreasonable suggestion. It's a wonder they have a "Feedback" channel at all, considering how defensive they get if you give them any.

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

I don't usually praise summertime saga, but they're doing a major rework of the game currently and they've split it up into smaller updates, otherwise it would have been a year long wait to get it finished

If Latecomer can't finish all of the work at once, it makes sense to split it up into segments. They could even go through the in-game days, one at a time, re-release them once each one is remade with the new coding etc, and join each next day together once those too are finished

By the end of it, all the days would be together in one place over time

I have no knowledge of programming so what I said might be entirely dumb but it makes logical sense to me

It seems like Latecomer stares at everything, doesn't know what to do first, and so doesn't anything

 

[RandoCard3]

I don't usually praise summertime saga, but they're doing a major rework of the game currently and they've split it up into smaller updates, otherwise it would have been a year long wait to get it finished

If Latecomer can't finish all of the work at once, it makes sense to split it up into segments. They could even go through the in-game days, one at a time, re-release them once each one is remade with the new coding etc, and join each next day together once those too are finished

By the end of it, all the days would be together in one place over time

I have no knowledge of programming so what I said might be entirely dumb but it makes logical sense to me

It seems like Latecomer stares at everything, doesn't know what to do first, and so doesn't anything

I find it funny that one of the better solutions to getting the merge out is... unmerging it.

 

[AnimeKing314]

I don't usually praise summertime saga, but they're doing a major rework of the game currently and they've split it up into smaller updates, otherwise it would have been a year long wait to get it finished

If Latecomer can't finish all of the work at once, it makes sense to split it up into segments. They could even go through the in-game days, one at a time, re-release them once each one is remade with the new coding etc, and join each next day together once those too are finished

By the end of it, all the days would be together in one place over time

I have no knowledge of programming so what I said might be entirely dumb but it makes logical sense to me

It seems like Latecomer stares at everything, doesn't know what to do first, and so doesn't anything

This is more or less how renpy is built to be used. Adding on the new content to the existing game instead of releasing every part as its own separate game. This starting-from-scratch approach is probably what they should've done from the beginning as it would've let them release the entire merge in under 2 months with all the fixes.

 

[Smarmint]

Ah, well.

Thanks for trying. It was worth a shot. Mainly so we all don't have to argue any more whether it is abandoned or not, haha.

Agreed, if nothing else I would at least like a status report with some actual substance (ie this is what we've done so far and this is what's left). Doesn't even need an estimated date (though hopefully they could provide one by now).

What would be really nice is if they just released what they've done so far and call it a pre-alpha.

That would be nice. Although, I have to admit to myself, that the BS status updates about "refactoring all the code", or "rewriting the Renpy engine" is unintentionally hilarious.

I don't think BlueCat can give a detailed status update, because it would basically be this:

"I have done nothing for 18 months. I have no plans for any work on the game. Maybe someday I will decide to work on it. Thanks everyone for all your monthly donations!"

If Latecomer ever gave a legitimate status it would be this:

"Thanks for paying me for over a year to work on other games. The best gig in game development. I have no intention of writing a single line of code for Ecchi Sensei, ever."

There.

 

[Szeast]

is it me or did they use the promise "we'll try and finish the merge before the new years" 2 times like in 2020 and 2021?

 

[Dukez]

You know... here's an idea for BlueCat.

Accept the merge is taking too bloody long, and that you need to put out some content that you've likely (Oh I hope so...) already made . How to do that? Go back to monthly releases, even if it's only like 1 or 2 days per update temporarily and accept you need to carry forward the existing save system (inb4 no backups of original last day 21 build, even though you can unren it) up until hopefully the merge is done, or day 30 if need be since the game isn't supposed to change until month 2 from what I remember.

At least you would have something coming out and the expectation that everyone still needs to replay it when it switches over to the merged version with new save system etc remains in place and acknowledged.

You could even frame these days as previews, unfinished in scope etc and will be expanded upon in the merged version since maybe phone related stuff would be disabled or whatever else in this version.

Just do something, lol. In the words of Negan from The Walking Dead....

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[Skummy Ecchi]

Just to note, Bluecat has been trying to do Plan B since beginning of the year, but setbacks keep happening, much like with Plan A. It's not much to go on I know, but even with my pull in shatters now, figured that would at least hold a little bit of something. He isn't just hopelessly waiting for more lip service, he's just also very fuckin unlucky with people he tries to work with.

I'll explain more when authorized to do so, until then just giving whatever amount I still can to ease things a bit.

Stay Loving, Stay Ecchi!

~Skummy Out

 

[Motoko Kusanagi]

Just to note, Bluecat has been trying to do Plan B since beginning of the year, but setbacks keep happening, much like with Plan A. It's not much to go on I know, but even with my pull in shatters now, figured that would at least hold a little bit of something. He isn't just hopelessly waiting for more lip service, he's just also very fuckin unlucky with people he tries to work with.

I'll explain more when authorized to do so, until then just giving whatever amount I still can to ease things a bit.

Stay Loving, Stay Ecchi!

~Skummy Out

This just wreaks of damage control. With all honesty none of that means anything at all. This post could be from 2020 and nothing would have changed.

 

[Dukez]

Just to note, Bluecat has been trying to do Plan B since beginning of the year, but setbacks keep happening, much like with Plan A. It's not much to go on I know, but even with my pull in shatters now, figured that would at least hold a little bit of something. He isn't just hopelessly waiting for more lip service, he's just also very fuckin unlucky with people he tries to work with.

I'll explain more when authorized to do so, until then just giving whatever amount I still can to ease things a bit.

Stay Loving, Stay Ecchi!

~Skummy Out

I mean, there has been "setbacks" since 2020 at this point. I don't think his unlucky, I think is his the problem and he needs to own up to it before any real lasting change is made.

Just speculation, but perhaps he isn't paying Latecomer enough and that's why so little work seemingly gets done on it (according to gitlab? updates) since Latecomer also works on other projects apparently.

 

[Deleted member 3482284]

Just to note, Bluecat has been trying to do Plan B since beginning of the year, but setbacks keep happening, much like with Plan A. It's not much to go on I know, but even with my pull in shatters now, figured that would at least hold a little bit of something. He isn't just hopelessly waiting for more lip service, he's just also very fuckin unlucky with people he tries to work with.

I'll explain more when authorized to do so, until then just giving whatever amount I still can to ease things a bit.

Stay Loving, Stay Ecchi!

~Skummy Out

Bluecats had over a year to fix the issue of who he's working with

People with simple bad luck at least would have made decisions on what to do, and try and make it better. I'd hardly call it unlucky when he's done nothing about it. Making up a backup plan a year too late, and having it begin to fail instantly, was obviously going to happen

If he can't take accountability for his game falling apart, then every new plan will have these 'setbacks' too. Until it's obvious to even you that the games finished while the 2 chuckle brothers are managing it. He can't scapegoat latecomer and paint himself as a victim when he's let it happen

I'd highly recommend you read your comments here from June and September by the way. Bluecat directly lied to you about everything, and you've forgotten about it

 

[AnimeKing314]

Can we at least hear what this plan B actually is?

Well, there is not much new to report, except that we are still working on it, and I have had a serious word with my people about the overall situation.

During this conversation I mainly talked with my right hand and put a lot of pressure on, which led to an ultimatum. An ultimatum that expires shortly before the end of the year and by then Month 1 must be finished. If you can't play Month 1 at the end of the year, I would fall back on an alternative plan that I considered some time ago. I'm not going to give any details yet, as I still hope that I never have to put this plan into action, but the bottom line is that this plan will bring us back to regular game updates very quickly.

My alternative plan is anything but optimal, as I would have to do without a lot in the implementation, and so would you.
But as I said, the plan will only come into effect if we cannot present Month 1 this year.
Until then, there are still 2 months left. The health of my right hand is still far from good, but at least there is always some progress from his side with regard to the work on Month 1.

I will definitely keep you guys up to date.

Keeping the mystery of what plan B entailed was only because he was really against relying on it since it was apparently a really terrible option. Since it seems to now be getting implemented maybe we could actually know what this plan is?

 

[yoda123]

Can we at least hear what this plan B actually is?

Keeping the mystery of what plan B entailed was only because he was really against relying on it since it was apparently a really terrible option. Since it seems to now be getting implemented maybe we could actually know what this plan is?

Plan B is to think up a Plan C.

 

[Nikeee]

Plan B is to let ScummySimp think up of some bullshit to tell to people because he can't be bothered to say anything on his patreon.

 

[Armnorn]

Just to note, Bluecat has been trying to do Plan B since beginning of the year, but setbacks keep happening, much like with Plan A. It's not much to go on I know, but even with my pull in shatters now, figured that would at least hold a little bit of something. He isn't just hopelessly waiting for more lip service, he's just also very fuckin unlucky with people he tries to work with.

I'll explain more when authorized to do so, until then just giving whatever amount I still can to ease things a bit.

Stay Loving, Stay Ecchi!

~Skummy Out

I appreciate you trying to get any news to us at all Skummy. Especially with some of the name calling that happened in this forum towards you. And I will say that you are not to blame for any of this. But holy shit does BC need to get his act together and just say anything. Make a fucking Patreon post or even just a post on his Discord:

"This was Plan A. We had issues X, Y and Z. This is why I haven't done anything about these issues till now. This is the ongoing Plan B. This is in detail what I am planning with it: bla bla. This is the issues we are currently encountering: bla bla bla. This is what I am currently doing trying to fix these problems: xyz."

As a programmer that actually works as a contractor for a pretty large company I can't begin to explain how fucking angry his behavior makes me. Do you have any idea how much my ass would get fired if I spend even just a week working with nothing to show for it? Keeping my wage and not reporting what I have been doing for that week? And blue has been doing it for a fucking year and a half. He can be lucky that there is enough people willing to put up with it because this would not fly in even the most slightly professional environment.

Setbacks happen. Even at big companies. But at least you have to owe up to your fuckups. You have to explain to your manager or superior or whatever why shit went wrong, what you are doing to fix it and what the current status is. BlueCat is doing none of these things.

But oh well. He has his literal hugbox of a Discord server where everyone says this forum is toxic (which is true to a degree I guess) and you get called rude and toxic for asking simple fucking questions about the games progress. Honestly Skummy I wonder how you can put up with it. I kinda respect that but also pity you. If I were in your position I would probably shove my boot so far up BCs ass, his breath would smell of shoe polish. But again thank you for trying to keep us up to date even if it is basically just empty platitudes and excuses at this point. At least you are making the effort.

EDIT: Happy 3 week anniversary since the last git update

 

[kevinscottmiller]

I appreciate you trying to get any news to us at all Skummy. Especially with some of the name calling that happened in this forum towards you. And I will say that you are not to blame for any of this. But holy shit does BC need to get his act together and just say anything. Make a fucking Patreon post or even just a post on his Discord:

"This was Plan A. We had issues X, Y and Z. This is why I haven't done anything about these issues till now. This is the ongoing Plan B. This is in detail what I am planning with it: bla bla. This is the issues we are currently encountering: bla bla bla. This is what I am currently doing trying to fix these problems: xyz."

As a programmer that actually works as a contractor for a pretty large company I can't begin to explain how fucking angry his behavior makes me. Do you have any idea how much my ass would get fired if I spend even just a week working with nothing to show for it? Keeping my wage and not reporting what I have been doing for that week? And blue has been doing it for a fucking year and a half. He can be lucky that there is enough people willing to put up with it because this would not fly in even the most slightly professional environment.

Setbacks happen. Even at big companies. But at least you have to owe up to your fuckups. You have to explain to your manager or superior or whatever why shit went wrong, what you are doing to fix it and what the current status is. BlueCat is doing none of these things.

But oh well. He has his literal hugbox of a Discord server where everyone says this forum is toxic (which is true to a degree I guess) and you get called rude and toxic for asking simple fucking questions about the games progress. Honestly Skummy I wonder how you can put up with it. I kinda respect that but also pity you. If I were in your position I would probably shove my boot so far up BCs ass, his breath would smell of shoe polish. But again thank you for trying to keep us up to date even if it is basically just empty platitudes and excuses at this point. At least you are making the effort.

EDIT: Happy 3 week anniversary since the last git update

im willing to keep waiting and suporting the game people need to have patience i bleieve the syaing is good things come ot those who wait

 

[Armnorn]

im willing to keep waiting and suporting the game people need to have patience i bleieve the syaing is good things come ot those who wait

That is a fair opinion and more power to you. But here is a saying I believe in:
"Work expands so as to fill the time available for its completion" Also known as Parkinson's law. And I have seen it in action. If you give someone an infinite amount of time to finish something, they will find a way to take forever to finish it