VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

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Dukez

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digitalblakangel said:
Not sure why people that are not Patrons care so much, but payments stopped last March. Just because they have people still there doesn't me they are being charged. Refer to the analytics to see income the blue line and when it disappeared.
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If you're basing this off the analytics site linked... you would be wrong I think. The earned income amounts are only tracked while the user on patreon has it enabled on the website. BlueCat would've turned that feature off back in March and is why it shows that way.

To give two comparisons, Naughty Sandbox (
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) doesn't hide their patreon income and it is reflected on the analytics and you can see it on their patreon page, whereas Caribdis (makers of Eternum,
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) don't show their income but would've if you set the graph to 2 years you can see they did at some point and thus on their patreon page you can't see how much they earn.
 
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Ah, I was so excited when it finally came back to life, and now it's gone just like that. They can't all last I guess, it was good while it did.
 
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Dukez said:
If you're basing this off the analytics site linked... you would be wrong I think. The earned income amounts are only tracked while the user on patreon has it enabled on the website. BlueCat would've turned that feature off back in March and is why it shows that way.

To give two comparisons, Naughty Sandbox (
You must be registered to see the links
) doesn't hide their patreon income and it is reflected on the analytics and you can see it on their patreon page, whereas Caribdis (makers of Eternum,
You must be registered to see the links
) don't show their income but would've if you set the graph to 2 years you can see they did at some point and thus on their patreon page you can't see how much they earn.
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hey Dukez unrelated to this out of curiosity, think you can make another merge with the new content available?
 
Queen of Hearts

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Prob banned, BC has created his own little echo chamber of simps lovely patrons in his Discord. Nothing short of praising him at this point will be given an answer. It's been proven that a basic merge doesn't take more than 24 hours to create. It's a true milking situation at this point and no one but his simps lovely patrons can deny it. Only thing that can be done at this point is meme about it or move on.
 
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Dukez

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DocPorny said:
But I AM saying cut him some slack.
I have seen so many promising games over the years which weren't simply abandoned but simply marked as finished when this was simply not the case.
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I've seen some games that were marked as abandoned and weren't the devs just took like a year between each update which sucks but I think this particular case is a little more extreme since his been promising the merge update for over 2 years and has failed to deliver it.

I think the merge in itself being merged before month 1 is complete is flawed because there's still like what, 5-8? days before there would be a "month" of in-game days so this should've arguably been done beforehand or alongside at the very least but we only got one update with 2? "days" of content since that over 2 year timespan. What about the other days? they should've been released while this "merge" was being done like all the updates before this were done and by the time the merge is complete it would include ALL days for the first month, not only 3/4 which is what the current merge would result in.

I also think people have 'cut him some slack' but that ran out.. like a year or more ago. Fact is, he should've changed the goal of the merge if it was in development hell and as I've suggested before just clean up what you have, make it work and merge it like the version I did myself. Then come month 2 you would merely load a save and it can convert over the data into the new save format which many other games here already do on their season/chapter etc style games.

It's just sad the state of it and the sheer stubbornness of BlueCat to not adapt cause of the issues to get something out sooner. If I could do a half baked merge in a day than anyone who has more experience with renpy/python should be able to clean up the features that don't work and make it functional and good enough - no editing renpy's source code required to build a new save system :)WaitWhat::KEK:).

Perhaps BlueCat is trying to chase perfection.. perhaps there is redone renders and so on but I doubt it, I would just expect some minor tweaks here and there but if he was chasing perfection to that degree that it takes this long, you would think you would want to fully own your creation which is not the case when using illusion products from what I've seen. If he ever planned to "sell" the game traditionally after it's done well.. he won't be able too lol.

But we aren't to the end of the year yet so there's still time for BlueCat to release something but that aside, I guess I wrote a little wall of text as well lol.
 
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Wolfen5

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DocPorny said:
Nice to know people can still state reasonable opinions instead of just "facepalming" everything which I find rather disrespectful. As soon as people read a single line they don't agree with it's the facepalm which is not only saying I disagree but more like "wow he disagrees with me so he is a complete idiot who's opinion can't even be taken seriously and has to be ridiculed".
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You may a little too thin skinned for the interwebz my friend. Expectations for not getting facepalmed while attempting to "douse the flames" in effort only is futile. The time that has elapsed with Bluecat doing little to nothing both for the merge or attempting to be communicative and transparent is the direct reason for the outcries and speculations of misdeeds and abuse of patron donations.

You've also made a few logical fallacies in your discourse. Namely arguing that people state opinion (whether milking or intentionally vindictive on Discord etc.) as fact. If it's an opinion it cannot be fact and those claiming so are just as wrong as you here. You can construct a good argument for it but in the end it's simply what one believes.

Another is comparing ES to other games/devs. Just because they make porn games does not mean they have the same integrity towards their patrons, the same drive or passion to make their game. The same technical knowledge or work ethic to accomplish what they set out to do or even the same temperament to be social in places like Discord.
What may be used are similar patterns one can observe over time between and speculate but the outcome can be completely different but as they say "Burn me once shame on you. Burn me twice shame on me".

You admit the delays and mistakes (your words) are not justifiable or that we shouldn't blame shift, so I have to ask...Why feel the need to "douse" anything on here? You must realize it won't change anyone's mind that already believe Bluecat failed and will probably never regain their respect. While those that still have hope will hope and agree with you.
Confirmation bias being a thing, I seriously question the motive for such posts, kind of like those that hate NTR going on a thread of an NTR game and saying, "This has NTR, it sucks. I'm not playing it". Really???

If all you wished was to give your opinion, you must accept that some will disagree and facepalm you for it. Again, that's the internet for you. Like it or not.
 
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granny gumjobs

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DocPorny said:
The truth is simple, A LOT of mistakes and even worse decisions have been made and the only way to save some face with the community (if still possible) would be owning up to them. It's simply far to late for "explanations" that basically boil down to "not my fault because ...".
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So the only way for him to save some face is to own up to those terrible choices? Then why does he ban people on discord that call him out on the bullshit that was the last 2 years? That is not owning up to it. Its silencing the criticism which at this point he has earned every single bit of.

How about making posts speaking up about these terrible choices instead of blaming others. The post he made in July he threw Latecomer and other team members under the bus. This is Bluecats project. Not Latecomers or others. He should be the one owning up to the problems.


DocPorny said:
Yes current state is frustrating for everyone but I truly don't believe it is on purpose or in order to "milk" money out of people for doing nothing.
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It may not be intentional but he is also not doing anything to change peoples minds. For 2 years now he has not paused his patreon. He continues to collect from people while releasing nothing. I believe that if Bluecat is not intentionally milking people then he definitely sees each month that people will keep paying so he keeps collecting. Why say no to free money?


DocPorny said:
But I AM saying cut him some slack.
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He already is getting enough slack from the hug fest echo chamber on Discord. People don't need to cut him slack. He needs to be reminded of those choices he made and the lack of content in 2 years. How else can someone grow and learn from those mistakes?



Just a few of my opinions, but opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they usually stink.
 
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locomotor79 said:
Raven Tomoe is this really abandond
iff this whill be a shame
i whas still hopingwhe whould be able to bang his middle real daughter
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As someone that makes Fanart for the games they love/played I hope it's not but the only person that could answer that question is Blue Cat himself he says his working on it so you can ether take it on his words that it's being work on or like others move on to other projects by other devs but I will continue to make fanart of the girls an post them here
 
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