VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[Unknownleader556]

I know I'm very late to post this, but since there was some discussion on the T8 Characters I feel like giving my opinion on the idea of T8 Character. And before I start, as I just said this is my opinion on T8 Characters, if you disagree that's fine, and I actually would like to see your point on it.

So to be blunt, the idea of T8 Patron Characters wasn't a good idea, not because the idea of adding fan made characters to a game is bad, but because of the site being used to fund this game. From my experience, games that have a specific tier for fan made characters are from Kickstarter, and I wouldn't be surprised if BlueCat got the idea for T8 Characters from there. However Kickstarter obviously works differently from Patreon. With Kickstarter, should the project be funded then everyone who back it is charged pays for what tier they got, and then they don't pay anything else, but on Patreon everyone pays for their tier every month, which can lead to issues. Perhaps the person who made the T8 Character needs to stop supporting for an unknown amount of time, or a giant delay like what is currently happening occurs and the T8 Supporter decides to stop funding for a while to make sure their money isn't wasted, what happens to the characters then. This issue doesn't happen with Kickstarter as the supporter only needs to pay once, and the character will be in the game (provided the game ever comes out, I'm sure we've all seen Kickscammers before or at least heard of one Kickstarter game that was funded and went nowhere).

So now the question is, what will happen to those T8 Characters. The most obvious answer is that the T8 Characters who had their supporter dropped will be removed from the game, it's not the answer many of us want to hear, but it's the most likely. It's not even something that you can really fault BlueCat for doing, as from my understanding the T8 Characters would be in the game as long as the person who created them was a T8 Supporter, so them being removed was always a possibility. However I'm sure others will agree with me and say that we'd rather not have them removed, sure none of the characters Rando mentioned were the most popular, but all of them seemed interesting and at the very least I would have liked to see more of them as the game went on, hell two of them were connected to other established characters. And it does seem a little unfair that some T8 Character will probably stay (weather it's because the T8 Supporter who made them is still supporting or they were really popular, I don't know, if anyone who does know reads this please let me know) while others are being removed, and an argument could be made that if some of them are staying then the rest should stay or all T8 Characters should be removed because some are being removed, but that's another topic.

So to sum up my thoughts, I don't think T8 Character were a good idea in the first place, there was always a chance that the person who created the character would leave due to any number of valid reasons, which would put the character's future in the game in an odd state. I know a few favorite character are T8 Characters, and not having the T8 option would mean they would never have existed. But it would have avoided all this uncertainly weather or not some character will remain in the game or not.

Sorry for the long, somewhat ranty, post, but I felt like giving my thoughts on this.

 

[Deleted member 440241]

i check atleast 10 pages so i have an idea whats happening here so if anyone whats to start a drama about my question save it for your self not going to play your game all i want is answer.

1) so in this merge thing "When we got the release" is there any additional content like back story or alteast new specials, anything? or its just plain and straight the 3 weeks combine?

2) (lets put aside the merge update) to old players/supporters how often we got updates back then? is it a monthly base update? every 3 months? just like other games i know or its one of those game "Whenever the dev feels to update his game?" type

thanks and cheers

1) Pretty much no. There are some features that are too buggy in the current releases but will be usable in the merge. And the holiday specials will be in as dream sequences so that content might be new to you.

2) Releases were monthly. Originally it was just one in game day per release but quickly got bumped up to 2.

 

[RandoCard3]

I know I'm very late to post this, but since there was some discussion on the T8 Characters I feel like giving my opinion on the idea of T8 Character. And before I start, as I just said this is my opinion on T8 Characters, if you disagree that's fine, and I actually would like to see your point on it.

So to be blunt, the idea of T8 Patron Characters wasn't a good idea, not because the idea of adding fan made characters to a game is bad, but because of the site being used to fund this game. From my experience, games that have a specific tier for fan made characters are from Kickstarter, and I wouldn't be surprised if BlueCat got the idea for T8 Characters from there. However Kickstarter obviously works differently from Patreon. With Kickstarter, should the project be funded then everyone who back it is charged pays for what tier they got, and then they don't pay anything else, but on Patreon everyone pays for their tier every month, which can lead to issues. Perhaps the person who made the T8 Character needs to stop supporting for an unknown amount of time, or a giant delay like what is currently happening occurs and the T8 Supporter decides to stop funding for a while to make sure their money isn't wasted, what happens to the characters then. This issue doesn't happen with Kickstarter as the supporter only needs to pay once, and the character will be in the game (provided the game ever comes out, I'm sure we've all seen Kickscammers before or at least heard of one Kickstarter game that was funded and went nowhere).

So now the question is, what will happen to those T8 Characters. The most obvious answer is that the T8 Characters who had their supporter dropped will be removed from the game, it's not the answer many of us want to hear, but it's the most likely. It's not even something that you can really fault BlueCat for doing, as from my understanding the T8 Characters would be in the game as long as the person who created them was a T8 Supporter, so them being removed was always a possibility. However I'm sure others will agree with me and say that we'd rather not have them removed, sure none of the characters Rando mentioned were the most popular, but all of them seemed interesting and at the very least I would have liked to see more of them as the game went on, hell two of them were connected to other established characters. And it does seem a little unfair that some T8 Character will probably stay (weather it's because the T8 Supporter who made them is still supporting or they were really popular, I don't know, if anyone who does know reads this please let me know) while others are being removed, and an argument could be made that if some of them are staying then the rest should stay or all T8 Characters should be removed because some are being removed, but that's another topic.

So to sum up my thoughts, I don't think T8 Character were a good idea in the first place, there was always a chance that the person who created the character would leave due to any number of valid reasons, which would put the character's future in the game in an odd state. I know a few favorite character are T8 Characters, and not having the T8 option would mean they would never have existed. But it would have avoided all this uncertainly weather or not some character will remain in the game or not.

Sorry for the long, somewhat ranty, post, but I felt like giving my thoughts on this.

Agreed. I think T8 only work on the two extremes. They either get in and stay in, or they get removed. This current inbetween method doesn't work. They seemingly agree to some extent, as they stopped adding them to Ecchi Sensei, and a will be putting them in there own game, once they have time to work on that.

I really want to see what kind of weird shit the twins get up to next time, but I'd honestly rather have nothing if it meant a better final product in the end.

2) Releases were monthly. Originally it was just one in game day per release but quickly got bumped up to 2.

Before the dark times...

 

[Unknownleader556]

Agreed. I think T8 only work on the two extremes. They either get in and stay in, or they get removed. This current inbetween method doesn't work. They seemingly agree to some extent, as they stopped adding them to Ecchi Sensei, and a will be putting them in there own game, once they have time to work on that.

At least they've decided to not add anymore T8 Character to Ecchi Sensei, adding more would only mean this issue would be worse down the line. I also hope that the girls that you mentioned might be getting removed stay in the game. While none of them are my favorite characters, they still looked like they could be interesting, and could have become more popular if they were given more content. Plus I also don't see people being happy when the merge finally comes out and they see that some girls are gone, even if they weren't popular, losing characters after over a year without any updates probably isn't going to make people happy.

 

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[RandoCard3]

At least they've decided to not add anymore T8 Character to Ecchi Sensei, adding more would only mean this issue would be worse down the line. I also hope that the girls that you mentioned might be getting removed stay in the game. While none of them are my favorite characters, they still looked like they could be interesting, and could have become more popular if they were given more content. Plus I also don't see people being happy when the merge finally comes out and they see that some girls are gone, even if they weren't popular, losing characters after over a year without any updates probably isn't going to make people happy.

Ideally, they'd simply stop dropping characters if no longer supported. At least after a certain level of plot relevance. The final product/Year One Merge, should at least clear out those that ended up leading to dead ends though. Perhaps, have a toggle in the options to keep them there for people who want that, or a "Cut Content" gallery, if that's easier. Throw in an "This is an early build, so some things may be added or removed in the future" notice on load up for current releases, and you should be good for now.

At the very least, anyone who continued to to pay during the last year (maybe two) should have at least get a year long buffer before their character gets dropped. Otherwise, they've not been provided what they payed for. That year would at least give BC enough to lead things to a conclusion stopping point.

 

[HansDampf788]

However I'm sure others will agree with me and say that we'd rather not have them removed, sure none of the characters Rando mentioned were the most popular, but all of them seemed interesting and at the very least I would have liked to see more of them as the game went on, hell two of them were connected to other established characters.

You mentioned the lists Rando posted of possibly removed and save girls and well I think both of the lists suck. From the girls likely to be removed I like 4 of them and don't want them to be removed on the other hand I don't care about 3 of the girls on the safe list.
As I stated multiple times before the idea of the T8 characters was a bad idea from and at this point, after wasting a whole year of development Blue should just keep all of them in the game continued funding or not.

 

[Smarmint]

So, I haven't followed the Patron account much. Can someone explain what you all mean by T8 characters? Is this something Bluecat said he would add if donations got to a certain level?

 

[HansDampf788]

So, I haven't followed the Patron account much. Can someone explain what you all mean by T8 characters? Is this something Bluecat said he would add if donations got to a certain level?

T8 is the 100$ tier and they can design a character for the game, the problem is when the Patreon stops supporting or goes to a lover tier the character will no longer be in the game, at least that is what is known because Bluecat hasn't said anything about them.
This is the current T8 list from Patreon.

So basically all these girls can vanish at any point from the game.

 

[Unknownleader556]

At the very least, anyone who continued to to pay during the last year (maybe two) should have at least get a year long buffer before their character gets dropped. Otherwise, they've not been provided what they payed for. That year would at least give BC enough to lead things to a conclusion stopping point.

I agree, especially due to this merge. Should characters start to get dropped due to these recent events, there should be a buffer equal to as long as it takes for this merge or the next new content to come out. Although this does bring up the question of how things work if a supporter drops, but them comes back several months later.

You mentioned the lists Rando posted of possibly removed and save girls and well I think both of the lists suck. From the girls likely to be removed I like 4 of them and don't want them to be removed on the other hand I don't care about 3 of the girls on the safe list.

This actually bring up something I was going to mention in my first post, but decided not to add as my first post was long enough as is. Just because a character isn't the most popular doesn't mean they don't have fans and just because a character is popular doesn't mean everyone likes them. I'm sure there are people who agree with you and like some girls who have a risk of getting cut but don't like girls who are seemingly safe, and to have the girls they like remove is not going to sit well with them. This also bring up the point that (at least from my recollection) nowhere in the game is it mentioned that certain girls could be removed, let alone which girls could be removed. So there are probably people who don't know about all this T8 stuff and have no idea that some girls may be removed. And as I mentioned in another comment, people have been waiting for a very long time for this merge, so they probably won't be happy to see that some girls have been removed during that time (assuming anyone gets removed), even more so as again I don't believe it was ever mentioned that some girls could have the possibility of being removed.

 

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[HansDampf788]

I'm sure there are people who agree with you and like some girls who have a risk of getting cut but don't like girls who are seemingly safe, and to have the girls they like remove is not going to sit well with them.

There are multiple girls on the Main Chars 2 and Side Chars lists that I would rather see cut than most of the T8 girls.

 

[Unknownleader556]

There are multiple girls on the Main Chars 2 and Side Chars lists that I would rather see cut than most of the T8 girls.

Quite a few T8 Girls would be in my favorite girls list. Hell based on the picture you posted earlier, there are 29 girls (34 if we count the girls who have New over their head), so statistically a lot of people would have a few of them on their favorites list.

 

[jamdan]

The issue with the T8 characters is they dilute the game too much. I've said this previously, a long time ago, but this game has way too many LI's. You can't keep track of who all these people are, why they exist and most of their scenes are filler or randomly placed in a way that the story doesn't make sense . Personally, I can't remember any of them besides the family members and a few of the other main LI's.

It doesn't matter if X is someone's favorite character if that character hardly ever shows up or their scenes are too short and meaningless. Quite frankly, it's sort of a ripoff to pay for them.

 

[HansDampf788]

The issue with the T8 characters is they dilute the game too much. I've said this previously, a long time ago, but this game has way too many LI's. You can't keep track of who all these people are, why they exist and most of their scenes are filler or randomly placed in a way that the story doesn't make sense . Personally, I can't remember any of them besides the family members and a few of the other main LI's.

It doesn't matter if X is someone's favorite character if that character hardly ever shows up or their scenes are too short and meaningless. Quite frankly, it's sort of a ripoff to pay for them.

I agree that 98 girls (including past time) are too much but there are multiple T8 girls that have more scenes than some of the main girls.

 

[Unknownleader556]

The issue with the T8 characters is they dilute the game too much. I've said this previously, a long time ago, but this game has way too many LI's. You can't keep track of who all these people are, why they exist and most of their scenes are filler or randomly placed in a way that the story doesn't make sense . Personally, I can't remember any of them besides the family members and a few of the other main LI's.

It doesn't matter if X is someone's favorite character if that character hardly ever shows up or their scenes are too short and meaningless. Quite frankly, it's sort of a ripoff to pay for them.

A fair argument, and it is certainly a reason for why T8 should never have been a thing and why no more T8 Girls should be added. However what's done has been done, and now the question is will some of them be removed due to supporters dropping. And some of the girls have more content than Main Girls, so their removal will be noticed (from what I know, none of the big ones are at risk for leaving, but some girls who had connections to Main Girls may be).

 

[ExaltedMidget]

any news on when the week three merge will be done

 

[Bambalaz]

Sadly the dl-link to the dark mind patch seems down, does a valid link for the week2 dm patch exist? would love to play on.

 

[Regardie]

So if the main T8 supporter goes away, could we convince BC to sell shares of the character for lower tiers? Maybe 4 or 5 shares and supporters would have to indicate which orphaned T8 they want their money pledged. If there are enough continuing pledges the character stays in rotation.