VN Ren'Py Abandoned Ecchi Sensei [Day 22-23 Final] [BlueCat]

[layer1avn]

However, I noticed from mid-week two onwards a general lack of inspiration. He started committing the sin of "Telling not showing" where it seemed like every second scene I was being told about something happening with a black screen to look at.

Narrator-kun started showing up in dialogue more and more as time went by. That was concerning even before I realized how long the game had been delayed.

 

[Bloodguard]

BUT TLDR; There's basically a 0% chance a game recovers from such a huge loss of momentum. Even if we get more content it will never be the Ecchi Sensei you or I remember after downloading when this first released.

Your infamous example has finally been hit with the abandoned tag, but that's probably cause the scummy Dev finally admitted he was abandoning it. BC is probably still far away from admitting this, as the money is still pretty good, but it seems to be the inevitable outcome.

 

[JTsmoothhands]

You are giving Bluecat a little more credit that I am, in that you think he actually has a decent amount of material he is sitting on, but this is quite plausible. To be fair, he released quite frequent and sizable updates at the start, so he can make content when he wants to.

I was a $50 a month contributor for a long time, I've seen the next two planned updates. The problem is these two update have been done(and give almost nothing new) for over a year. If he cared about the project he would A: already have about ten updates ready to drop once the coding is finished, or B: just do what literally every dev does and just keep making it with a part two with fixed code. Once you finish it go back and clean it all up

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

For the reason why we kept getting black screened:

Blue writes too much to be translated by humans effectively without burning them out, man just keeps writing and scripting out shit, granted he works a fine balance between everything in the good times. Thus he had to cut back content to ensure he didn't burn out his team with shit. Depending on how things shake out, we might see a return to that far more nuance storytelling he was doing before, dunno.

 

[ThaRealThiccShady]

For the reason why we kept getting black screened:

Blue writes too much to be translated by humans effectively without burning them out, man just keeps writing and scripting out shit, granted he works a fine balance between everything in the good times. Thus he had to cut back content to ensure he didn't burn out his team with shit. Depending on how things shake out, we might see a return to that far more nuance storytelling he was doing before, dunno.

 

[sheetkaroo]

Definitely not a regular, but as someone who has been a fan of multiple other games which have gone through this cycle I think that it is very likely that SOME work has been done, and that at some point an update will be released. Granted, I don't expect it to be very inspired, or well thought out.

For the most infamous example, milfy city has been dead or abandoned for a year+ how many times now?

The first week of this game was really top tier among all VNs on this site. Every scene was acted out by the characters, there was always dialog and story that had good flow and consistency. I think if you've never tried to tell a story like this its easy to not truly appreciate how hard it is to make a story with dialogue that flows nicely like this. However, I noticed from mid-week two onwards a general lack of inspiration. He started committing the sin of "Telling not showing" where it seemed like every second scene I was being told about something happening with a black screen to look at. The dialog got repetitive, the story elements were pushed to the wayside in favor of a treadmill of characters that you could never possibly make narrative arcs for. For example, you build up connections and stories with Kaede and Aki, and by far we spend more time in throwaway sex scenes with Satsune, or with random schoolgirl #45 who has no story relevance other than giving blowjobs in a public bathroom.

That being said, keeping up the kind of motivation that something like the first week of this VN would have taken, in my mind generally is very rare or nearly impossible.

That is sort of the key to all of these really good VNs. They start as genuine passion projects that are often just the escapism or fantasies of the writer/creator being put on the screen. I think it is more of a case that the money being so good is what keeps them around at all. At a certain point, whether from burnout or simple loss of passion for a project the creator doesn't actually want to do it anymore. Often times, however, the money is just too good to walk away from.

The honest thing would be to be up-front about this, and freeze payments until you want to continue working on the game, or pull the plug and delete the patreon altogether. Or hell, just give permission to someone else to continue making the game (if that person exists). But with the amount of money on the line, I think it becomes very easy to lie to yourself that its okay to keep the page open and that your few hours of work a week justifies it. That someday you'll be back to regular updates, that it's just a rough patch.

BUT TLDR; There's basically a 0% chance a game recovers from such a huge loss of momentum. Even if we get more content it will never be the Ecchi Sensei you or I remember after downloading when this first released.

What a shame. most likely this is what happened.

For the reason why we kept getting black screened:

Blue writes too much to be translated by humans effectively without burning them out, man just keeps writing and scripting out shit, granted he works a fine balance between everything in the good times. Thus he had to cut back content to ensure he didn't burn out his team with shit. Depending on how things shake out, we might see a return to that far more nuance storytelling he was doing before, dunno.

lmao. i can't tell if this is satire or real anymore.

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

Bruh its not that outlandish, if you've seen what Selebus outputs you'd have an idea just how much someone who is enthusiastic about their story can write for it. Now ask someone to translate that on a deadline, and you need to start trimming it back.

 

[ThaRealThiccShady]

Bruh its not that outlandish, if you've seen what Selebus outputs you'd have an idea just how much someone who is enthusiastic about their story can write for it. Now ask someone to translate that on a deadline, and you need to start trimming it back.

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

Well that argument cuts both ways, so you can't accuse him of being lazy if you aren't willing to entertain the fact that he writes too much for translators to feel comfortable with in a monthly deadline format.

 

[King Jr]

I swear Skummy Ecchi has ever day another reason why for 2 years BC gives nothing but empty promise.

Now it that he just wirte to much lol.

 

[ryyyn73]

It seems to me, that you are having three separate discussions in parallel?

Let's try to sort this out.

1)
It was stated that the story gets less and less detailed as the weeks progress.
If you talk about the total amount of text that Blue produces you are using the wrong metric here. But this point is really nothing to quarrel about. The level of detail is the creators decision. We may like his choice or not, but in the end he gets to choose:
Go faster with less detail or slower with more detail.

2)
It was also stated that sometimes we are shown a blank screen along the text.
Skummy picked this up

For the reason why we kept getting black screened:

Here i don't understand the connection to the translation at all. We know that Blue isn't doing the translation himself. How would translation slow down rendering? If there is a connection, wouldn't it be the other way around? When the translation is slow, i would expect more renders for the same amount of text.

3)
Blues work ethic.
If i understand Skummy correctly Blue writes much more than the text that makes it into the game. But is this really relevant here? The interesting thing is what text is put into the game. It doesn't matter how much additional text Blue hides in his cellar. Only what goes into the game. That is also the only text that needs translating...
I don't know how big and fast the releases came in the past. Was it really that much more text per time than other VNs?

Or am I fundamentally misunderstanding something here?
I don't get what point is being made at all.

 

[Wolfen5]

Well that argument cuts both ways, so you can't accuse him of being lazy if you aren't willing to entertain the fact that he writes too much for translators to feel comfortable with in a monthly deadline format.

Unfortunately, this is where you're wrong and acting childishly. In an argument the one providing the claim tends to need the other to provide the proof for that claim. Not having a counter claim of mere words as proof and then ask proof that they're lying. It's circular and won't lead anywhere. It's called the "Burden of proof fallacy".
Even we did entertain that notion, after 18 months of no news, comments, pics of anything all you're asking is to take your word.
The claim is "Show your work" and your argument is "Prove he isn't working" Seriously?!

 

[Nikeee]

Why are you taking anything ScummySimp says seriously ? He's a self-proclaimed PR boy for his god BlueScam who might not even know he exists and he spent the last 2 years lying just to defend him. Everything he said turned out to be some bullshit he pulled out of his ass, stop giving attention to him.

 

[OctoSky]

Wonder if Bluecat ever plays bingo?

 

[ThaRealThiccShady]

Well that argument cuts both ways, so you can't accuse him of being lazy if you aren't willing to entertain the fact that he writes too much for translators to feel comfortable with in a monthly deadline format.

Dude it’s been well over a year without even a single image being released. That’s the bottom line. No need for translators, coders, writing of any kind, nothing but a single image. Get him to answer/provide that then we’ll go from there into believing they’re actually doing something
Till then I repeat in various forms:

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

Alright, here's a few things:

Ii Bluecat writes a script, and it needs translated, there is only so much a translator is gonna translate before they get burnout in the process. Thus he would be forced to skim down on script to not burn out the translator doing the work, no script? No renders, it makes zero sense to render a scene if there is nothing but a few summary sentences to it. To call him lazy is and unsubstantiated statement, because you lack the full understanding of the situation, for me to defend without proof is also a unsubstantiated statement because all I have is my conversation on why translators seemed to struggle with Bluecats work.

So I called it in essence, a zero sum, you can't successfully argue your point to any reasonable measure, and neither can I. I accepted this, but certainly used the wrong language in that measure. I simply made the statement of why the story went the way it did, people like to call BS on anything because they're just as immature as my dumb ass, and thus the cycle repeats.

I don't know why you guys keep bringing up the other issues of no content, this isn't about that, this is about Weeks 2 and 3 being much more compressed and high paced than Week 1. It has nothing to do with new content upcoming and there isn't much I can do for pictures of why Bluecat had to trim down his script writing considering it happened before I was involved.

 

[ThaRealThiccShady]

Alright, here's a few things:

Ii Bluecat writes a script, and it needs translated, there is only so much a translator is gonna translate before they get burnout in the process. Thus he would be forced to skim down on script to not burn out the translator doing the work, no script? No renders, it makes zero sense to render a scene if there is nothing but a few summary sentences to it. To call him lazy is and unsubstantiated statement, because you lack the full understanding of the situation, for me to defend without proof is also a unsubstantiated statement because all I have is my conversation on why translators seemed to struggle with Bluecats work.

So I called it in essence, a zero sum, you can't successfully argue your point to any reasonable measure, and neither can I. I accepted this, but certainly used the wrong language in that measure. I simply made the statement of why the story went the way it did, people like to call BS on anything because they're just as immature as my dumb ass, and thus the cycle repeats.

I don't know why you guys keep bringing up the other issues of no content, this isn't about that, this is about Weeks 2 and 3 being much more compressed and high paced than Week 1. It has nothing to do with new content upcoming and there isn't much I can do for pictures of why Bluecat had to trim down his script writing considering it happened before I was involved.

There’s no point to it? How about respecting his patrons/fans patience after over a year? I talk to devs regularly and I severely doubt any wouldn’t find this behavior ludicrous-especially if you’re using the excuse of having all this translating you need done-like wtf are they translating? Why not make an image, even if it’s not a final, of one moment from this mountain of writing you’ve supposedly done?
BC? More like BS

 

[OctoSky]

I don't know why you guys keep bringing up the other issues of no content

Because its very very easy to SAY you have been doing work for a year. People want proof, not words. If words are all it takes to believe than I am a 9 foot giant and I ride a Pegasus to work, where do I work, at hogwarts. See? Do you believe me? No? Well why not, I said it, that means its true.

Anyway, all people want is PROOF. Skummy, its a simple request, not a huge thing. The more you deflect from it speaks volumes. Ignoring it, deflecting from it, or just saying "Theres content", is not the words of an honest person, its someone hiding something. As others have said, pictures or it didn't happen.

 

[Skummy Ecchi]

Eh for anyone who really fuckin hates me, I ignore them, but I never lied, I was just a delusional fan boy who wanted to hope against hope that the end of this nightmare was just around the corner. The difference here is that because of the relationship, I can see where this all went off the deep end and I know where its probably going to end, thus I stepped up and am doing my best to put all my capabilities into motion.

I gave Bluecat the MTL, he has to see if it will work out, if it does then the translation issue is solved, if it breaks something that's bad. I will know more later once Bluecat has done his due diligence with the software and lets me know what is up. As much as I like to be a knowing jerk just to kick the hornets nest, I'm also actually working and helping to get this situation resolved.

 

[Wolfen5]

So I called it in essence, a zero sum, you can't successfully argue your point to any reasonable measure, and neither can I. I accepted this, but certainly used the wrong language in that measure. I simply made the statement of why the story went the way it did, people like to call BS on anything because they're just as immature as my dumb ass, and thus the cycle repeats.

Sadly, I have to disagree once more. It isn't a zero sum, it's zero sum thinking or zero sum fallacy.
Octosky provided a very telling timeline of events from actual posts (not claims). It has a logical progression. Without contradictive proof or anything to actually show, the claim that nothing has been done in all this time is supported and after those premises again pointed by Octosky, the conclusion seems clear. The rebuttal was silence, or deflection, from the one person that could offer any sort of counter argument(proof). "Silence implies consent" or even being in denial, is just bad form.
Your fallacious claim that nothing can be reasonably argued has been demonstrably shown as untrue. Claims have been made (accusations if you will), and silence is the response of actual evidence to the contrary. Zero sum thinking can't be used to counter them.