VN Ren'Py Element-174 [v0.24] [Knotty Games]

[McWoodz]

I understand people not liking certain content but i'm not getting the Madison hype.

I spoke to her a few times and she was ... bland.

There are far more interesting characters and plenty of them yet people get bent all up over 1..... it's fucking nuts.

I wouldn't mind but during one scene it's very heavily implied Madison is already fucking one of the teachers.

**cough** Nicole from BaRS **cough**

<Runs away>

Point is, peoples favourite girls vary widely and this particular girl is presented as being quite important -given that she's in the games sig that the dev uses, she's the devs avatar on Patreon and the girl used to represent the top tier of support there too. And now it seems she's an actual whore. It's understandable that any fan of hers would find that very off-putting.

Hypothetical- If in the next update there was... say... a house fire and you had a choice to save her or half a sandwich you had left over from earlier. I think most players would choose the sandwich at this point.

 

[Avaron1974]

Hypothetical- If in the next update there was... say... a house fire and you had a choice to save her or half a sandwich you had left over from earlier. I think most players would choose the sandwich at this point.

Totally depends on the filling of said sandwich.

It's got ham, turkey, sliced beef and mustard then i'd push all the girls in front of the fire to slow it down while I saved the sarnie.

If it's got lettuce or tomatoe on it i'll save the cum filled prostitute. Not like i've got a dick to stick in there anywhere. Just slap it on it's arse and send it back to the street corner.

from what has been said, the ntr will continue, I was wondering if there will be ntr with other girls too, this is an out for me

I can't call it ntr. She is working as an "escort" (overpaid prostitutes) which she was doing before she even met the MC.

Granted if it happens with any of the others then it's going to start causing issues but anyone paying any attention knew Madison was fucking someone.

I thought she was banging the teacher though, didn't consider hooking.

 

[Englen]

from what has been said, the ntr will continue, I was wondering if there will be ntr with other girls too, this is an out for me

The scene in 0.15 will be the only time Madison is ever featured that way, cant say about the other girls.

 

[Avaron1974]

The scene in 0.15 will be the only time Madison is ever featured that way, cant say about the other girls.

Whelp it's kind of her job so whether she's seen in that way again or not we know what she'll be doing.

 

[MLBnoob]

With the sad loss of Madison, I gain Chloe the sexy probably virgin camgirl in my harem. I just hope my harem (AKA different routes depending on girls) of Isabella, Rachel, Katy, and Zoey won't NTR MC.

EDIT: I wonder if the Madison thing would increase the likelihood that other girls will have penetrative sex with MC other than that one girl.

 

[fregonard]

Totally depends on the filling of said sandwich.

It's got ham, turkey, sliced beef and mustard then i'd push all the girls in front of the fire to slow it down while I saved the sarnie.

If it's got lettuce or tomatoe on it i'll save the cum filled prostitute. Not like i've got a dick to stick in there anywhere. Just slap it on it's arse and send it back to the street corner.



I can't call it ntr. She is working as an "escort" (overpaid prostitutes) which she was doing before she even met the MC.

Granted if it happens with any of the others then it's going to start causing issues but anyone paying any attention knew Madison was fucking someone.

I thought she was banging the teacher though, didn't consider hooking.

well, it's ntr for me, but you are right we already knew that she could be fucking with the teacher, it would be better if she was just an ordinary girl and not a love interest, well less a route for me

 

[Englen]

Whelp it's kind of her job so whether she's seen in that way again or not we know what she'll be doing.

true but i think its better that the devs are taking the out of sight out of mind route instead of shoving it in our faces in every madison scene going forward. It reminds me of Carli from Depraved Awakening.

 

[laflare82]

There need to be a new tag Forced unavoidable NTR I could bet you my life savings Devs would stop doing this nonsense, all that dislike NTR would just simply avoid it but f95 allows Devs to exploit the users to NTR content add that as a new tag NTR would disappear from most games that I guarantee. The NTR tag is not detailed enough for those that disapprove this content to ignore it some come with the hope that it can be avoided if the NTR tag was more detailed Devs would not have it in most games.

 

[lint77]

from what has been said, the ntr will continue, I was wondering if there will be ntr with other girls too, this is an out for me

I can understand that the developer sticking to the vision of his story may upset some people in this thread, And that's ok!.
Uninstall the game, ignore the thread and even block the developer if you feel that slighted.
But leaving these passive aggressive messages of "deleted the game, Not for me, Good luck" are not constructive and serve no real purpose other than to try and dishearten and shame him.

Best go play something else and move on, But be careful playing any games without the [Completed] tag. Your favorite virtual girl could be behind literally ANY corner sucking off a couple dudes. You know what these devs are like.

 

[Eerie Entity]

I think this whole topic about NTR and Madison should be buried. It's understandable why people would be upset about it, but the whole thread from here on out doesn't need to be about that, it shouldn't be about that.
The scene happened, it's done, either people accept that, move on and carry on playing, or just peacefully exist the thread.
The NTR discussions rarely ends peacefully before mods are forced to put an end to it.

 

[MLBnoob]

I can understand that the developer sticking to the vision of his story may upset some people in this thread, And that's ok!.
Uninstall the game, ignore the thread and even block the developer if you feel that slighted.
But leaving these passive aggressive messages of "deleted the game, Not for me, Good luck" are not constructive and serve no real purpose other than to try and disheartened and shame him.

Best go play something else and move on, But be careful playing any games without the [Completed] tag. Your favorite virtual girl could be behind literally ANY corner sucking off a couple dudes. You know what these devs are like.

Hey let people blow some steam, most of those who dislike the NTR won't be present in a couple of days plus the devs acknowledged that they would cause an outrage which means they readied their thick skin of comments about it.

Burying the comments will just encourage this kind of outrage-inducing event to happen. Just like what is happening in the video gaming world of late (lootboxes, DLCs, bugs, glitches and etc.).

Also in the future new gamers who try this will voice their displeasure of the events and will allow the devs to see more criticism.

 

[Eerie Entity]

Hey let people blow some steam, most of those who dislike the NTR won't be present in a couple of days plus the devs acknowledged that they would cause an outrage which means they readied their thick skin of comments about it.

Burying the comments will just encourage this kind of outrage-inducing event to happen. Just like what is happening in the video gaming world of late (lootboxes, DLCs, bugs, glitches and etc.).

Also in the future new gamers who try this will voice their displeasure of the events and will allow the devs to see more criticism.

I don't know about the latter line you said, new people will already be alerted by the NTR tag the game was now slapped on with, so it doesn't come as a surprise to them, they can decide for themselves right then and there if they want play or not

 

[Englen]

I think this whole topic about NTR and Madison should be buried. It's understandable why people would be upset about it, but the whole thread from here on out doesn't need to be about that, it shouldn't be about that.
The scene happened, it's done, either people accept that, move on and carry on playing, or just peacefully exist the thread.
The NTR discussions rarely ends peacefully before mods are forced to put an end to it.

let the people be a little outraged, its quite understandable considering that during a poll on their patreon around years end about adding NTR it was voted against adding it by their patreons, so its quite understandable that some are a little disappointed with the unexpected addition.

 

[Eerie Entity]

let the people be a little outraged, its quite understandable considering that during a poll on their patreon around years end about adding NTR it was voted against adding it by their patreons, so its quite understandable that some are a little disappointed with the unexpected addition.

I don't disagree, but in most cases involving NTR, the venting and such about it quickly goes way off topic and quite toxic a lot of times, and that leads to the deletion of off-topic posts and possibly even warnings if it's warranted, and that's why I suggested to just bury the topic before it goes too far.
In example our discussion is already off-topic, it's no longer about the game itself in particular, but about the need to vent.

 

[MLBnoob]

I don't disagree, but in most cases involving NTR, the venting and such about it quickly goes way off topic and quite toxic a lot of times, and that leads to the deletion of off-topic posts and possibly even warnings if it's warranted, and that's why I suggested to just bury the topic before it goes too far.
In example our discussion is already off-topic, it's no longer about the game itself in particular, but about the need to vent.

What about praising the game is that off-topic? Complaining about something in the game is just the opposite of that, plus its still talking about the game. "This game is a cuckfest" is clearly off-topic compared to "Madison why did you betray me with the mentioned certain action you did?"

 

[MLBnoob]

As someone else said before, the NTR tag alone isn't quite enough on it's own without more description, either in the thread OP or a more refined tag.

Some games may have NTR but the genre is avoidable, while others are unavoidable. Some even have a toggle that automatically changes the story so that NTR cannot happen if you don't want it. I was going to download the game, but seeing the tag made me read the comments first, to see if it was forced or dodge-able. Seeing as it's forced, the decision was made for me, but I still had to read comments since the tag alone doesn't really indicate enough.

Only one girl though, the supposedly innocent one. This game has a lot of replayability and has a colorful cast of girls. Just try it but I'll spoil you that the NTR is with Madison to spare you of whatever feeling you may feel, but the other girls have their charms you may become a fan of one or few of them.

 

[Avaron1974]

true but i think its better that the devs are taking the out of sight out of mind route instead of shoving it in our faces in every madison scene going forward. It reminds me of Carli from Depraved Awakening.

I agree in part with the Carli thing but not entirely.

Carli was entirely up front about who she is and what she did for a living, never tried to hide it or sugar coat it considering her job is how you met her at the start. You then made the choice to go after her or one of the others.

Madison you don't get all the details until much later by which time people were invested.

Granted I don't see the whole ntr thing the same way guys do and I certainly don't see an issue with people doing what they want outside of relationships. Had we been as a couple with Madison i'd have taken issue but flirting before the fact isn't a problem for me. If she carried on working after we got together it would be another matter entirely.

 

[Englen]

I agree in part with the Carli thing but not entirely.

Carli was entirely up front about who she is and what she did for a living, never tried to hide it or sugar coat it considering her job is how you met her at the start. You then made the choice to go after her or one of the others.

Madison you don't get all the details until much later by which time people were invested.

Granted I don't see the whole ntr thing the same way guys do and I certainly don't see an issue with people doing what they want outside of relationships. Had we been as a couple with Madison i'd have taken issue but flirting before the fact isn't a problem for me. If she carried on working after we got together it would be another matter entirely.

yeah i was more so referring to the out sight out of mind way of doing it in my comparison with Carli.

 

[SrRK]

Granted if it happens with any of the others then it's going to start causing issues but anyone paying any attention knew Madison was fucking someone.

I thought she was banging the teacher though, didn't consider hooking.

Honestly? I thought we were going to find out that her and the teacher were "in a secret relationship..." however I assumed that, for fan-service's sake, it'd be a sexless one. Especially considering she didn't look so happy while chatting.

But maybe this was just wishful thinking. Still, my point is... nothing that we were shown in any way led to/hinted towards what was actually going on... so I don't blame people for being caught off guard by this.

As for what happened... and this is just my two cents/input: the only way I will personally be able to continue enjoying this is if we are allowed to more or less tell Madison to fuck off now. The last thing I'd want is to endure actually having to talk to her. Hell, we could travel back in time and make her a loli virgin saint and I'd still be grossed out. But this is just my own personal perspective on the matter and merely a preference. This type of thing doesn't bother me unless I'm forced to continue any kind of "relation."

Anyway... at the end of the day this is Knotty's story to tell... and we either like it/continue playing or we don't/move on... but I imagine some people will have some words before the moving on part given the, uh... circumstance.

 

[Avaron1974]

Honestly? I thought we were going to find out that her and the teacher were "in a secret relationship..." however I assumed that, for fan-service's sake, it'd be a sexless one. Especially considering she didn't look so happy while chatting.

But maybe this was just wishful thinking. Still, my point is... nothing that we were shown in any way led to/hinted towards what was actually going on... so I don't blame people for being caught off guard by this.

It's hinted that a few of the girls are having sex with others or at least have done.

I think there are only a few virgins. I know Trish and Chloe are but some of the others are doubtful.

With the themes and sex talk that goes on with some of the girls I knew Madison was fucking someone.

I think Madison being in a sexless relationship would have been worse than what was shown, those are utterly pointless.