VN Ren'Py Element-174 [v0.24] [Knotty Games]

[Soul_less327]

She doesn't need my help if she's only stripping.

Shit, as girls go we've all got our tits out in a bar when we've been drunk at least once she can strip forever if that's all it's going to be.

On the one hand you've got "oh no, she's being blackmailed into selling her body, how can I get her out of this" to "oh, she's taking her clothes off .... who cares?"

Then again I don't get the whole ntr thing people here are raging about.

Like I said earlier, it only bothers me if it's people in a relationship. Outside of relationships people can do whatever they want.

This. I completely agree with you. Saving her from a forced sex situation is far more powerful than saving her from being a forced stripper. I had a very good friend in college who stripped to help pay her way. It didn't make her slut and I certainly didn't feel the need to 'save' her from herself. I probably would have tried to intervene if she were 'escorting' people instead. Changing this scene just cheapens the story in my opinion. I think it should be left as is.

Edit:
Not that there is anything wrong with a girl being a bit slutty if she wants to be. I fucking hate that double standard.

 

[Soul_less327]

Well my original suggestion was that she stay in the same situation just not have the scene thrown in the faces of the players as you all saw how everyone reacted. I said that it should have been that she confided in the mc that she was being blackmailed into prostituting herself and the mc would be able to try to save her.

While I agree that that would be a safer and less offensive solution, I also thinks it lacks the power and shock value of actually seeing the scene. Plus, why would she confide in you when you would have no way of knowing otherwise.? I think the MC has to see the scene to have a reason to confront her in the first place. Then she can tell him she is being blackmailed and then he has a reason to help save her from the situation.

 

[Famescua]

While I agree that that would be a safer and less offensive solution, I also thinks it lacks the power and shock value of actually seeing the scene. Plus, why would she confide in you when you would have no way of knowing otherwise.? I think the MC has to see the scene to have a reason to confront her in the first place. Then she can tell him she is being blackmailed and then he has a reason to help save her from the situation.

Well if your friend did it she did it because she wanted to. Obviously it's been established that the girl in the game didn't want to. So it's a bit different. Also its assumed that noone knows that she is stripping but you catch her and she basically asks you not to tell anyone and the mc would agree and ofcourse th girl would be happy that someone is willing to help her out by keeping a secret that she cries into the mc's shoulder and tells him her story. I know a bit cliche but a girl crying into your sgoulder and saying that she is being blackmailed can be a pretty powerful scene in itself

 

[Soul_less327]

Well if your friend did it she did it because she wanted to. Obviously it's been established that the girl in the game didn't want to. So it's a bit different. Also its assumed that noone knows that she is stripping but you catch her and she basically asks you not to tell anyone and the mc would agree and ofcourse th girl would be happy that someone is willing to help her out by keeping a secret that she cries into the mc's shoulder and tells him her story. I know a bit cliche but a girl crying into your sgoulder and saying that she is being blackmailed can be a pretty powerful scene in itself

Okay, I guess I misunderstood what you were describing. So, in your idea the MC sees her stripping and then she tells him that she is also being blackmailed into having sex with strangers? Then yes, that does make more sense. I still think the scene as is is better, but your idea is a bit more powerful than Madison just being blackmailed into stripping.

 

[Famescua]

Okay, I guess I misunderstood what you were describing. So, in your idea the MC sees her stripping and then she tells him that she is also being blackmailed into having sex with strangers? Then yes, that does make more sense. I still think the scene as is is better, but your idea is a bit more powerful than Madison just being blackmailed into stripping.

Yes it is and that was my original suggestion. I figured that way the story doesn't really change you just don't get a questionable sex scene thrown in your face.

 

[abagel]

Lot to unpack here but, without risking spoilers....wow. Just, wow. Seriously amazed. You took a decently average (if not elevated by excellent writing and characters) game for this site and turned it into something incredible. I'm more engaged and interested in the story than I've ever been with a game like this. It starts to transcend what an adult game can be. Sure, it's sometimes about the sex and the allure of that....but a damn good story too, and a twist that left my jaw on the ground. I'm really impressed, Knotty. This is probably my all time top game on the site, if not top adult product I've spent time on.

 

[JoleenStar]

I was gonna try this game until I saw that the Dev caved and changed their game based on the pressure they received to do so. I'd rather see devs who make the game they wanna make.

 

[ogar nightelf]

Ok I just downloaded this game. So I'm not that far invested in it.
I just got to the cafe and am deciding what donut I want.
Now let me see if I am understanding this situation correctly. What I am hearing is that a bunch of real life dudes are being butt hurt because a fictional chick is boning or got boned by a fictional dude(s) that isn't their character.
Is that what I am supposed to be understanding here?

They have this saying in Alaska that fits this situation.
"You don't lose your girl, you lose your turn"

 

[abagel]

Just finished the new content. The disadvantage of joining a game after lots of content is the first play through where there's a ton and then having to wait with everyone else. It's like discovering a great band that's been around for a while. But another great update, nonetheless, if a little more story heavy (which hey, it was great story, so.) My only question is for anyone who knows how to get some of the elusive scenes, for example how I'd go about getting the scene where Zoey and Jenna meet so I can see the dream pictures. I'm a bit of a Zoey fan, it's obvious.

 

[Hercule_Poirot]

Since it seems to be an important part of the story I'm not sure if it's necessary to cut it out and change it for a stripping scene.

I don't consider that scene NTR since that character isn't the MC's girlfriend during:

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Having said that, this wasn't to make you choose between these ideas. You shouldn't stray from your original ideas, after all, it's your game. However, if you think that changing some aspects of your story would make it more enjoyable, go for it as long as you enjoy the process and the final result.

Your story is quite enjoyable and hopefully you won't burn out during the process.

Good luck.

 

[DonbaOz]

While everyone is upset with the Madison situation, I'm sitting here myself wanting more of Rachel and Chloe.

You have made an amazing game there KnottyGames, the fact that so many people care about that one scene is the perfect proof of it.

Always delighted to see a new update.

 

[Englen]

Once again people cry enough for NTR to be removed, the pacification of games all the way back to Big Brother. Oh well enjoy your hold skip to unlock CG game then.

This is NOT an ntr game. The game wasnt meant to feature ntr outside the 1 scene so dont act like this change will change the entire game in a drastic way.

The devs listend to their patreons and the people who play their games feedback and found a solution that will make both themselves and the people who support the game happy, while staying true to the theme of the game and its characters stories.

 

[MLBnoob]

Once again people cry enough for NTR to be removed, the pacification of games all the way back to Big Brother. Oh well enjoy your hold skip to unlock CG game then.

I remembered PolyCafe, the first ever Love Interest we see in that VN gets attracted to an old creep and later that creep fingered her or something and indicates that they just entered a master-slave relationship. A lot of people got turned off by that creep, dev promised to adjust that scene and the characters involved but lo and behold nothing changed despite the PROMISE that the creep wouldn't get any especially with that Love Interest. The game was defended by a couple of white knights but the patreon supporters only reached 3 I think, well outrage was predictable with a lot of people saying they'll never go back to that game. After awhile only 3 patrons, after more time dev scrapped their patreon, they wanted support because of illness but didn't bend their knee to the popular opinion that the creep should be cut or not get any with any LI. In conclusion if you do it for a hobby or past time stay your ground just like Jobeo(eh yuck but more power to him) but if you want support then don't introduce NTR - it should be accepted that its NTR even if you are not yet in relationship with an LI especially when a majority treats it so, only a few just look down and say its not.

 

[vir_cotto]

Since it seems to be an important part of the story I'm not sure if it's necessary to cut it out and change it for a stripping scene.

I don't consider that scene NTR since that character isn't the MC's girlfriend during:

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Having said that, this wasn't to make you choose between these ideas. You shouldn't stray from your original ideas, after all, it's your game. However, if you think that changing some aspects of your story would make it more enjoyable, go for it as long as you enjoy the process and the final result.

Your story is quite enjoyable and hopefully you won't burn out during the process.

Good luck.

And if MC could intervene and stop that, that would be awesome and nobody would complain - those are really good suggestions you posted.

But not being NTR... As I already said, that's not exactly true. She is predetermined as LI and if you're on her path (and why else would you see THAT scene anyway?), you lose interest and feel cheated on.

So, either such a scene shouldn't be present or MC should be able to intervene and save the damsel in distress.

 

[Ragnar]

Well the average adult VN player IRL won't want to continue a relationship with someone who was gangbanged by his friends or even passed around by a football team which is by their right and their preference and that comes over to playing VNs. Some want those with EXTREME experience (screwed hundreds of people) but the general population prefer incest, vanilla, romance, harem, and etc., oh and of course non-ntr content.

It's a game and she isn't even related to the MC. At this point we can remove all male npcs from wegs to not offend someone.
(we can let in the traps because they can be fucked by the MC I supposse)
The dev wanted that scene for story purposes, I bet we can travel back in time later and save her, but no, you have to censor your game cuz I'm so insecure that I can't see a npc being soiled

 

[SrRK]

greenp We're dying to hear your input on the matter.

 

[Kripke]

Kripke gonna be unpopular here. After reading the comments tried the game again. Many thanks to you, whiners, for a good hint. Madison appeared to be one of the most interesting characters here. Its easy to like a simple cute virgin, try to be a prince in shining armor for a difficult girl with many troubles.

 

[God3333]

Is this animated or?

 

[UncleVT]

Keep the thread on topic. Avoid personal arguments, off topics and trolling

 

[RogMR]

In a game with several women, I have no problem seeing one of them in an extreme situation, like Madison's, but DEV wants to make money. And if many patrons don't like some scenes, changing a little, he can keep almost all of his patrons.

I also see no problem if the DEV changes the scene, so he doesn't lose money. Even DEV can keep the scene exactly as it was, for those who activate NTR ON in settings. And change the scene for those who put NTR OFF in settings. NTR ON / OFF can be useful even on other routes later in the game.