VN Ren'Py Element-174 [v0.24] [Knotty Games]

[SavetheDiesel]

Some games just have "it" and that is just why many ppl will like it and that it will cause alot of intensive discussions.
Is that a good thing? Well yes it oughta be because it means ppl WANT it. Simple

Seen many comments here and i have to admit i was a little shocked myself wih the Madison scene so i´ll just give MY personal opinion on the whole thing beacsue sadly this ruined the game a little also to me. First though this is NOT any critisicm against thoose who like NTR. I personaly dont like it one bit but i wouldnt dream of looking down on those who do. I dont have any right what so ever to do so. And the whole thing goes vice versa im sure everyone would agree on.

So i look at it this way. Its absolutely true that the Madison scene is NOT an NTR scene if we will go on the girlfriend concept
which is the most common approach. Ive found this description on NTR as the first thing on google if you type "what is ntr"

"Basically it involves emotional hurting the significant other and with this also the audience. "

However if one is going to discuss this the most bureaucratic way possible then that means games like The Tyrant shouldnt have an NTR tag. You can see them have sex with others but they are not girlfriends. They are sisters. That would mean it would be rightful to criticize the contradictions.

I however have no interest what so ever to discuss bureaucratic words about NTR cause it will only lead to discussions from monday till sunday for everyone and on sunday midnight none would have benfited SHIT from that nomatter if your for or against ntr.

My point though is that even if the Madison scene is not ntr then it does deserve little critisism. For me (and for many others ofcourse) Madison was one of the top "Yes im gonna go for her" girls and though not in any relationship with her then atleast the first steps INTO a possible relationship was in progress. And for me this scene was forced, meaning unavoidable doesnt matter if the mc choose to watch or not he still knew it was Madison. That is the first thing that one can critsize the way i see it. Note though i havent played with any walkthrough or tried different paths but as far as im in the game and having understood it then this scene felt TOTALY pointless. You could just as well have placed Ash there instead and it still would have been pointless. Thats the second thing that one can critisize
All i mean is that the way this update ended with the surprise of Madison it did obviously disapoint many. Some ppl have wrote that the scene would have resulted in something you could understand or do. Everything from running in yelling "hey there" to "running in shooting their brains out" (I obviously exaggerate but you understand what I mean) and that might have worked.

Ofcourse i have no idea how this game will develop or how this story will be explained. That is for the future to show.


I guess im just trying to explain that since many didnt liked this it may have been easy for some to point in "ntr direction" to express their disapointment and though that may not be the right way then the scene does deserve some critisism mainly since it was kinda forced and totaly unexpected and to be honest pointless. Im not a game developer but if i was and made a game that i see the players like i would think twice about doing to much surprises. I´ll end this babbling by making an example. Maybe not a fair comparison but just to cast some light on all brainstorming and why ppl react the way they do.

DMD is one of the biggest hits as many naturaly knows by now. Imagine what would have happened if the absolute first sexscene would have been with her getting gangbanged by 2-3 others.

With that said i say cheers to all you guys (and girls ofcourse) on this great forum

 

[Oozora]

does smartphone in the future can not make a call to a "missed call?"
from what i know since day 1 smartphone released it can make a call to a "missed call" even a black and white phone can make a call to a "missed call" hell even a pager can send a message. so by the way, why i can not call malia after helping jules?

hmm now i am curious how in the world they make a smartphone in there?
or the mc simply dumb?
so why asking phone number left and right if dumb?
first meet say interested but when no more business don't know how to make call, mc have short memories life span?

 

[RedPyrate]

Even more important, who keeps pepsi in their fridge?!?!

They both serve different purposes: Both Coke and Pepsi are for drinking.
Coke is for Mixed Drinking. Rum and Pepsi just does not ever work.
Captain Red
(and yes I AM an expert, and a captain, and a Pyrate with my own real world Pyrate ship. Even has a keg of rum, but not a pepsi anywhere on board)

 

[Dripping]

They both serve different purposes: Both Coke and Pepsi are for drinking.
Coke is for Mixed Drinking. Rum and Pepsi just does not ever work.
Captain Red
(and yes I AM an expert, and a captain, and a Pyrate with my own real world Pyrate ship. Even has a keg of rum, but not a pepsi anywhere on board)

Drinking pepsi?

 

[goldenrhino]

as long as Trish is safe from ntr, Im happy

 

[JonasTS]

WTF?! Why in the very first choice of the game about "Give Pen" or "Ignore Her", you have to chose "Ignore Her" in order to maximize the points with some others girls of the game? What's the problem of just giving a fucking pen to the girl?

 

[RoryTate]

Why in the very first choice of the game about "Give Pen" or "Ignore Her", you have to chose "Ignore Her" in order to maximize the points with some others girls of the game?

While it's a bit of a strange design choice for a game, it's not completely beyond the realm of possibility that a mundane decision like that can have widely different consequences.

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is a well established concept in physics, chaos theory (mathematics), and science in general. Its effects are often exaggerated in popular culture and media, but the core idea of system unpredictability is an important one in many academic disciplines.

 

[SrRK]

While it's a bit of a strange design choice for a game, it's not completely beyond the realm of possibility that a mundane decision like that can have widely different consequences.

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is a well established concept in physics, chaos theory (mathematics), and science in general. Its effects are often exaggerated in popular culture and media, but the core idea of system unpredictability is an important one in many academic disciplines.

Yeah, the butterfly effect is something I use often as well (though, the decisions are usually more weighty than handing someone a pen). I really enjoy giving choices that have unexpected and seemingly unrelated consequences down the road.

This game lets players know every time they make a choice that it has some weight to it... so I wouldn't be too surprised by that.

 

[JonasTS]

While it's a bit of a strange design choice for a game, it's not completely beyond the realm of possibility that a mundane decision like that can have widely different consequences.

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is a well established concept in physics, chaos theory (mathematics), and science in general. Its effects are often exaggerated in popular culture and media, but the core idea of system unpredictability is an important one in many academic disciplines.

I know what the butterfly effect is, my favourite game/best game in the world is "Life is Strange"... I get the choice's existence, I just don't get why that choice would be necessary to 6 of the 15 other girls from the game...
Anyways, just forget it, this whole thing is just because I felt really really bad when I saw Zoey's face if you chose to ignore her.

 

[Famescua]

Alright time to get somethings off my chest first...the mc is a blabber mouth who acts like a 12 year old who just discovered they had a penis.

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Agreed i missed all sorts of content originally just to avoid disappointing Zoe, i mean who would want to upset Zoe? ....except a blabber mouth.
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I find it funny how ntr works sometimes.

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Still i was a bit disappointed that it was barely one scene and so watered down almost as if the dev's wanted to show there was ntr but didn't want to step on any toes of those who would get upset by it which didn't really seem to work judging by the chaos on the forum. Sometimes you just got to go all in. And with that said i seriously hope the dev's don't cave into pressure and change the scene. While on one hand this move may have cost them some patrons it could also be said they gained some as well (me ) so keep doing what your doing guys i look forward to your next update.

Your right about the ntr. Ntr or percieved ntr is based on perception. Noone was upset about jenna because it was a given that she was easy and slept around. So that was how she was perceived. Madison on the other hand came off across as the shy girl that wouldn't do anything at all and looked like she was having problems , unfortunately the perception was so strong that people got upset.

 

[1337Bob]

Is the MC going to go all Pretty Woman on Madison?

 

[goldenrhino]

always a plot twist with every girl, chloes gave me whiplash

 

[Kazy]

Android version is kinda broken, when I type my name for some reason I need to choose some kind of character, and of course on android or at least the last f 5 versions it doesn't f work.

 

[PrimeX]

I like the story but there is just way too many branching paths :/

 

[vir_cotto]

I like the story but there is just way too many branching paths :/

That's the beauty and uniqueness of E-174.

 

[Luigi08]

I don't know what I like more about this game...the art work, the premises of a shit ton of choices, the story so far, or the fact that you're playing a game expecting there to be some form of sex somewhere and all of a sudden BAM! BAMFing fight scene. I feel as though either I ate some hallucinogenics or mind just exploded...and at this point both are very possible.

 

[Englen]

The new madison scene is quite nice

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[Lamoucheronn]

so apart from Jenna and Madison there's no NTR? I don't like NTR, but it's not a problem for me when there are so many other romanceable options

 

[firefly66]

I've got a save file from close to the end of Day 9 that won't load. The error msg looks like:

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/script2.rpy", line 15503, in script
    return
Exception: Could not find return label (u'game/script2.rpy', 1582237276, 26713).

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "game/script2.rpy", line 15503, in script
    return
  File "/Users/rgp/Documents/Work/NextSTEP/cfs/scripts/e174.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 1507, in execute
    next_node(renpy.game.context().lookup_return(pop=True))
  File "/Users/rgp/Documents/Work/NextSTEP/cfs/scripts/e174.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/execution.py", line 696, in lookup_return
    raise Exception("Could not find return label {!r}.".format(self.return_stack[-1]))
Exception: Could not find return label (u'game/script2.rpy', 1582237276, 26713).

Darwin-19.3.0-x86_64-i386-64bit
Ren'Py 7.3.5.606
Element-174 0.15b
Sun Feb 23 14:59:17 2020

I've attached the save file.

 

[KnottyGames]

I've got a save file from close to the end of Day 9 that won't load. The error msg looks like:

I've attached the save file.

There might be errors due to the way that the Madison scene was redone unfortunately. In this case, I would recommend using a save file from before Day 9 Evening if possible.