VN Ren'Py Element-174 [v0.24] [Knotty Games]

[Englen]

new scene actually has more impact seeing Madison's miserable look on her face in more scenes showing there is zero happiness in her.
old scene only made fans of that drool...and haters of that cringe..so whether you agree or not..new scene has much more story impact .

Yeah the new scene does a much better job at coveying the situation and emotions she is feeling while also leaving the story in a more interesting place since not only does MC know of madisons situation but madison now knows that he does since she saw him.

 

[Amypondk]

Compressed?

 

[SteelyDan14]

I am not going to second guess a developer, but I am sad the Madison scene has changed.

I am not sure how anyone can call it NTR. The MC was not in any kind of a relation with Madison at all other than perhaps some attraction and an impromptu date. It was a shock to see her there and that was the point. She was a modest, quiet, top student who we find is in the middle of a gangbang. Why? How did she get there? How does the MC feel about this? Will he try and rescue her if she is in trouble? Wait... some of the earlier scenes with the Professor makes sense now. Are some of the other girls involved? Is this the big conspiracy?

IDK, story seemed pretty strong to me prior to the change.

 

[ThunderRob]

original...ya saw a dame on all 4's being double timed...not much else really...new scene..you see various poses with her plainly unhappy face showing that she is not in a good place....new scene conveys that something really fucked up is happening and it aint just an orgy or sumsuch.

 

[r3ck5]

There's a good reason why many movies have/had Test Screenings. I think that the Mads scene is a good example of the concept being taken into account.

Public didn't like the original -> told the dev -> knotty changed it while keeping the story intact -> releases an updated scene -> sees the new feedback (which is mostly positive from what I gather) and adjusts accordingly.

IDK for everyone else, but that just seems like the ideal way of creating a game. So long as your game's vision is intact, while still making your players mostly happy, there's nothing negative about it at all. It's not knotty bending the knee of w/e, it's him interacting with his game's players and finding a common ground.

Also, as Rob said just before my post, the new scene is 100% more powerful in conveying Mad's distress to the situation.

 

[SteelyDan14]

the scene change didnt change the story in any way

I get it... and again, not second guessing anyone... I just liked the original.

 

[SteelyDan14]

new scene actually has more impact seeing Madison's miserable look on her face in more scenes showing there is zero happiness in her.
old scene only made fans of that drool...and haters of that cringe..so whether you agree or not..new scene has much more story impact .

Don't assume we just liked it because it made us drool... for me, you could not see her face so there was some mystery to it. Was she doing it because she enjoyed it? When you consider earlier scenes with the professor when she didn't look happy, was that relevant? Madison generally seemed down, despite her good grades... was this the cause of it?

I didn't need to see her face to know there might be something more to the story then just the gangbang. The scene was a shock and it got me thinking about all the clues from earlier. It suddenly put her earlier behavior into perspective and it made me interested in the next update.

 

[KnottyGames]

For those of you who might be questioning whether I'm satisfied with the new scene, there's no need to worry. I personally feel the new scene is a much better representation of the story that's trying to be told. Of course this is still our story! We've just taken feedback into consideration because there isn't any other QA. This game is being developed week-by-week so the patrons and you all are the review staff.

Obviously we would like to reach as wide of an audience as possible. It would be a dream if everyone knew about this game! So much time is spent working on Element-174 that it was a little disheartening to see people completely cut ties or disregard ever playing it because of one route which makes up 1/16 or 6.25% of the total game. But that's over and done with, and since the latest changes, I've been sleeping like a log.

 

[Deleted member 15555]

For those of you who might be questioning whether I'm satisfied with the new scene, there's no need to worry. I personally feel the new scene is a much better representation of the story that's trying to be told. Of course this is still our story! We've just taken feedback into consideration because there isn't any other QA. This game is being developed week-by-week so the patrons and you all are the review staff.

Obviously we would like to reach as wide of an audience as possible. It would be a dream if everyone knew about this game! So much time is spent working on Element-174 that it was a little disheartening to see people completely cut ties or disregard ever playing it because of one route which makes up 1/16 or 6.25% of the total game. But that's over and done with, and since the latest changes, I've been sleeping like a log.

i dont think you get it at all, is not one scene only that people may be worried and may not like, for example there is a lot of what happened with madison (guys fucking the girls you can romance) with Caroline Kelly (she fuck that blonde idiot), Penny still constantly getting guys trying to fuck her and unless we save her everytime the game kind of hints like they fuck her.... then Jenna doing lesbian (atleast lesbian is something i dont mind)... mostly all the girls are fucking someone or will fuck someone.
I dont know about the remaining characters but when i see that a game hints a lot to this type of fetish that is not ntr but is kind of similar in a way.... will make some people dislike the game, its the reason i kind of stoped playing and the reason i dont like it much, i did give it a second try though and i dont think is for me.
You should however keep the direction you want the game to go.
good luck

 

[Uncle Grabby]

... i did give it a second try though and i dont think is for me.
You should however keep the direction you want the game to go.
good luck

Bro, gotta give you respect for what you said. This is how we need to comment on games that upset us - acknowledge that a game might not be made for us in mind, show some good manners and then moving on. Very classy.

Mad respect, bruv!

 

[Rook2099]

Very good game! But now there is no way to see the scene that everyone is talking about? Would like to see the controversy.

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

Well, well we'll see if this turns into T7 or sumptin where there's offspring from past, present and future ?

Wowey Zoey

 

[Soul_less327]

I think a lot of people on this board are misunderstanding why some of us preferred the Madison scene as it was originally. Speaking for myself here, I hate ntr content. That being said, I didn't think the original scene with Madison and the two rich guys was ntr. The MC and her weren't in a relationship and much more importantly, she wasn't there voluntarily. I also don't prefer the original scene because I liked seeing her with those other guys. I prefer the original scene because I think is was more powerful and showed Madison in a more terrible situation.

I actually read about the scene on this board before I even played the game, so I knew what to expect. There were several scenes leading up to that scene that hinted that something like that was going on. The conversation with the Prof, the two guys talking about escorts, plus Madison's strange reaction when the MC offered to pay for her meal, all of the scenes hinted that she involved in something bad.

That being said, I did think that the fact that the MC didn't show any reaction at all to the original scene was weird. Also, the fact that Madison didn't even know that the MC was there didn't make much sense story wise. Also, there wasn't any indication from the scene itself that Madison didn't want to be in that situation. So believe me, I get why people were upset and I agree that the scene needed work.

In that regard, I think the new scene does a better job of both showing Madison's despair at the situation she is in as well as moving the story along because she knows the MC is aware of her situation. I still think it would have made a bigger impact if the dev would have added those changes to the original scene only because Madison being forced into prostitution is more serious that her being forced to simply strip. As a player, I feel it is more meaningful to save Madison from forced prostitution that it is to save her from forced stripping.

But what's done is done and I still enjoy this game.

Just please don't assume that those of us who preferred the original scene felt that way because we like ntr or thought the scene was hot. Most of us just wanted to save her from the situation.

I don't think her (or any of the other girls) being with other people made her off limits as a love interest. I get that some people on this board only like the MC to go for virgins. I don't agree, but to each their own.

 

[Soul_less327]

So, is anyone else thinking that Penny is an

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sent back by the evil overlords?

I don't think she is necessarily evil, but yeah she is definitely not human or at least not from this timeline.

 

[TheorPhys]

There should be the note to every dev:
Do not implement controversial fetishes (like NTR) if you're not sure you can handle it. It never ends good.

Also, I've got a suggestion. Why don't keep both scenes - gangbang and strip? Just make a button with NTR warning, if player agrees to watch NTR - here is gangbang scene and if he's not - just striptease.

 

[Soul_less327]

The walkthrough could use some clarification. For instance on the Madison path, I never got the option to head straight to class. I think it is the choice on Day 8, but I could be wrong on the date. It's one of the last choices before the blackmail scene. I'm pretty sure I missed the choice because one of the other paths is interfering with the Madison route, but the walkthrough doesn't tell you what choices to make unless it pertains to that individual route. So if you are following the Madison route and the Penny route for instance, it doesn't look like they should conflict based on the daily choices but it can still block you out of certain scenes without making that clear in the walkthrough.

Maybe list every choice for each day on each route so the player is guaranteed to see all the scenes on the route or routes they have chosen.

 

[ImperialD]

hmmm , interesting so far .. i like where your heading with this game
glad you didn't go where i thought you was

 

[RoadWulf]

KnottyGames I feel sorry for ya now. I bet you didn't expect that changing the scene that caused trouble would actually keep the shit storm rolling instead of stopping it.

 

[GrannyJuices]

Is this going to turn into some incest shit lol, Zoey seems to be more of a sister than a "lover" or whatever (and that ending scene looks like we're about to move into a different dimension). Although she's hot, I don't like having Penny in the game. She's just way too dumb and I always feel the need to whiteknight her shit for some reason, which obviously means I miss a few other scenes. Still a cool game nonetheless, good job

btw could y'all stfu about NTR and the different definitions. It's been going on for hours, and the flood is fucking ANNOYING.

 

[Dripping]

Is this going to turn into some incest shit lol, Zoey seems to be more of a sister than a "lover" or whatever (and that ending scene looks like we're about to move into a different dimension).

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