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I was in there discord briefly ghosting to follow up dates. Let me advise against joining it since they hate F95 people as well as the people who aren't part of their translation group. They were very elites to the point it caused a few people to leave while I was peeping on them. Then they mass kicked out anyone who hadn't contributed from the discord page.

As an aside I think the Touhou stuff gets updated the most because the touhou data is reused in several of the games so its makes it more worthwhile to translate/edit it.
 

brynhildr

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@W65 One question, that I already asked way.. way back (and I get a reply, but that method didn't work sadly): you know by any chance eraSumire? There's a way to cheat for it, obviously if you know it? Because probably I have to use the Hex editor but since I'm.. so damn bad with all of that, pretty sure that I'll only mess up again and again xD
 

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For some reason the only fully translated game is eraFate, or whatever that title was. But the two biggest that are pretty much translated to the point you know what everything is supposed to be is TW and K. And K has the best and most flexible sex system that none of the other Era games even compare to, not even the other big Touhou game.
 

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@W65 One question, that I already asked way.. way back (and I get a reply, but that method didn't work sadly): you know by any chance eraSumire? There's a way to cheat for it, obviously if you know it? Because probably I have to use the Hex editor but since I'm.. so damn bad with all of that, pretty sure that I'll only mess up again and again xD
I don't play that game, but I am kinda familiar with how these systems work in general. I checked it out a bit, and you can run the game with the -Debug switch, and that will put you in debugging mode. You'd want to make a shortcut to do that, or I guess you could use a batch file. That switch adds a "debugging" option from the menu after you load your save. You can use the "debug charge" command in there to max out gems and money, which should let you upgrade her stats however you want. It'll probably take some of the fun out of the game, though, and I think you'll have to train her once to actually see the gems added.

You should probably back up your saves before playing around with the debug mode. It's also likely to change how things are displayed in other parts of the game, so you might want to actually play in non-debug mode without the -Debug switch after you cheat up her stats once.

If you don't want to just do that, it sounds like the next simplest thing to do would be to edit the code to change how fast you gain gems and zero out the "bad" gems that limit progress.

To do that, you can try doing the following: it might be a little complicated, and I'm not going to test it. It ought to do the job, though.

Back up your saves and back up the file AFTERTRA.erb, which is in your ERB folder. Open that file in a text editor and find the code block that looks like this:

Code:
VARSET LOCAL, 0
    REPEAT 16
        LOCAL = CALC_JUEL(COUNT)
        IF COUNT == 11 || COUNT == 12 || COUNT == 13
            GOTJUEL:100 += LOCAL
        ELSE
            GOTJUEL:COUNT = LOCAL
        ENDIF
        LOCAL:1 += LOCAL
    REND
Put a semicolon at the start of the GOTJUEL:100 += LOCAL line, and that ought to stop the negative gems (denial or whatever) from accruing. Then, add *5 at the end of the GOTJUEL:COUNT = LOCAL line so it ends up reading

GOTJUEL:COUNT = LOCAL * 5

Save that file and try training. At the end of training, you ought to gain five times more gems than normal, which should let you upgrade stats more quickly. Also, you shouldn't lose positive gems due to negative gem accumulation. This won't help with hate marks or rejection marks or whatever this game calls them.

You could substitute a 10 in for that 5 if you wanted, for ten times as many gems instead of five times.

You'll have to redo this every time the game is updated, though.

Hopefully one of those two things works out for you. If not, let's talk about it--these games really aren't that hard to mod in small ways.

EDIT: Took advantage of the resolution patch to actually try Sumiteru out. It's REALLY not for me. The combination of the time limit and the restrictive narrative take away a lot of the otherwise beautiful freedom of these kinds of games. It turns it into a kind of combination VN and puzzle game, and since I don't care about the characters at all it feels like a waste of time to play it. The devs pretty clearly want you to be emotionally involved in the story, but that's the exact opposite of what a porn game is to me. So the suicide and other bad ends are just irritating gameplay dead-ends.

I oughta mention that using debug charge seems to up the PC's insanity to max, which seems to more or less disable your ability to get anything accomplished. I get the feeling it's probably intentionally crippled that way so that folks don't use it to cheat--an actual developer could trivially fix that, 'cause otherwise it seems to be useless as an actual debugging tool if it silently hamstrings you when you use it.

Of course, I haven't figured out which flag I need to find and hit to get the target's resistance to ability upgrades to go away, but then again you don't have much control over what's going on if you aren't following the couple of tiny paths I envision the devs wanted you to follow. "Going out" and "rest" events are randomized, which is pretty irritating in a game with such a tight time limit. Given that the game literally has a hint mode to tell you what to do next, it's kinda frustrating that it doesn't correctly tell you what you should be doing next.

...

Of course, the fact that I'm fucking around with debug commands and then complaining that things break is a pretty big mark against the credibility of a lot of my criticism.

But the game's pace is frustratingly slow even with the "training schedule" macro-like thing. TW's pace is slower, but you don't have a time limit to consider over there, and you can train girls who have responses other than insulting the PC. Megaten has a time limit, but you can run over it and start a NG+. That naturally doesn't fit the theme of this particular game, which is for me just another strike against it.

It's pretty obvious that a lot of feeling went into developing this particular era game, but it's not of the kind that I really find entertaining. I don't really feel like bumbling around with it enough to really get into the meat of it--there's meat there, but figuring out how to eat it is a game unworthy of the candle of wasted time, to hopelessly mix my metaphors. Also one of the cute display tricks it does screws up my AHK script for scene skipping, and it's the only era game that does so. It's like this game is out to irritate me, which is naturally why I'm going to spend another couple hours flagellating myself with it.

As for you, @brynhildr, you probably want to try the ERB editing I suggested and skip the debug thing, since unless I'm doing something very wrong it appears to just mung up the game. Definitely back up your saves before you play with it, at least. There are probably other debug mode features that could be helpful if you could figure out which parameters you wanted to change, since the era debug mode lets you send commands to set variables or whatever. Of course, the worst part of an era game is trying to figure out which variable does what, since most of the parameters you care to change are stored in long and badly named arrays. You can open the .CSV files, which is I think where the Japanese devs keep their lists of what variables mean what.

EDIT EDIT: Okay, so once you progress the "plot" a bit, reject or accept the "poison," you can actually get her to orgasm. That's probably the right time to try the debug mode thing. Editing the gem acquisition should be good for any time, though.

EDIT EDIT EDIT: Yeah, using the debug command right away isn't the way to go unless you want a suicide ending. It behaves better once you get the game rolling like I mentioned above. You could probably use Day = 10 or something in the debug console to extend your playtime... although that might well have side-effects that I can't really predict.
 
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MagnaSonic3000

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Both of those things are true, both for the Japanese folks developing them and for the English-speakers translating them.

EraMegaten is another big and heavily-developed one--they've got what seems like EVERY demon and character from every Persona and SMT and Megami-Tensai-related game. That fandom's not nearly the size of Touhou's, of course, but given how much stuff is in that game there's got to be a VERY dedicated little group of Japanese folks who love that series to death. I mean, it has a dungeon-crawling system built into it, and like 20 of the dungeons are finished. They seem to be trying to literally have every major story element from those games in it--and I had no idea how many of those games there even were before I started playing it. I have about 90 hours in the game, and although ten or so are probably accidental idling, I bet only another two or three are from the sex training part of the game. I mean, sure a lot of the rest is probably dungeon crawling, which is mostly combat, which is mostly boring and slow. Still, lots to do in that one... although that one also has Touhous now, and girls from at least one big magical girl anime whose name I can't remember. So maybe that has something to do with it.
Maybe it's because I played Persona 4 and 5, but I suck ass at Megaten. I have sex, go out, get a few level ups after like 5 minutes of getting my ass beat, and run back home before I die.
 

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Maybe it's because I played Persona 4 and 5, but I suck ass at Megaten. I have sex, go out, get a few level ups after like 5 minutes of getting my ass beat, and run back home before I die.
Yeah, I really can't talk legit strategy in that game, as I just cheated up my cash and macca. Having the best equipment and limitless incense makes it just tolerable enough to actually play. It's not like K, where you can kinda have fun while you feel out what you're supposed to be doing. With absolutely no Megami Tensai experience at all, I was kinda behind it to start with. I mean, I'm on day like 38 and I'm still opening up new dungeons and have requests from week 1 hanging around.

The (Japanese) wiki for the game more or less tells you to play on easy, though, if I read it right.
 

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What are thine cheats? I like that I've been doing this with no outside help, but fucking hell my Persona experience does not help, I only know the words for the elements in that game.
 

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What are thine cheats? I like that I've been doing this with no outside help, but fucking hell my Persona experience does not help, I only know the words for the elements in that game.
Well, since the saves are in text format instead of binary, it's not very hard to find the yen and macca numbers by just searching in notepad. Eramaker seems to have text and binary save options, and megaten and several other popular ones use text. That Sumireteru one that brynhildr was asking about uses binary format for its saves, and you'd need to hex edit those.

You can also start Megaten in debug mode using a -debug switch from a batch file or whatever, but that adds about ten extra options to the menu. It gets a little tough to figure out which ones are useful debug commands. Some of them just output long lists of shit, and I worry that I'll trip some thing that overwrites useful things with stupid debug nonsense. If I understand it right, the JP wiki also claims that you can't do new game plus correctly when in debug mode. I'd probably just edit the save in notepad instead.

The extra money helps, but it's not like you'll breeze through the game from then on (unless you know what you're doing with demons, I guess, which I don't). Most of the armor makes you trade off general defense for element vulnerability, but having a gun that hits an entire row seven times each is nice for a non-gunslinger human party member. Purchasing unlimited incense basically lets you amplify your stats any way you want. Even with all that, it's a struggle to balance searching, events, sex, the coliseum, and requests in the 50 day limit.
 

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That's if you really care about the time limit. The timer is really just for certain endings that get locked out if you fuck around, but the game isn't unwinnable if you do. So if you dick around and then beat the game on like day 100 or something, you can still win.
 

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Sooo.. this is the fabled Eratohok?

*two hours later, still trying to figure out WTF I'm doing or suppossed to do*
ok, I give up.
Unplayable unless you're an expert at these types of games :/
 

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Sooo.. this is the fabled Eratohok?

*two hours later, still trying to figure out WTF I'm doing or suppossed to do*
ok, I give up.
Unplayable unless you're an expert at these types of games :/
Or if you're willing to mess around with it until you understand lol. I had no idea what I was doing for a while but I eventually just figured it out.
 

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Or if you're willing to mess around with it until you understand lol. I had no idea what I was doing for a while but I eventually just figured it out.
Might do someday.
In the meantime, since it's just 3 megas, it's not worth deleting.

The thing that kills me, is that there's not a single tooltip, explanation or introduction to anything.
I get prompted to choose a dozen "eras", which I have no clue what is the difference between each, or what's the setting.

Then a hundred options, between skills, traits, points and more, and the only tooltip is for the most obvious thing (the features).

Then prompted to a huge map, with a hundred cities I'm suppossed to conquer, with even more NPCs I apparently I can meet... but couldn't find how.
There's several options, with no explanations what they're really for, and when you pick one, it's a instant text with no introduction... for example, "visiting city", it's just "you visit X city. You meet Kotkukishi. Kotokukishi like up!"... but I don't even know what type of city is, what I did there, and who the heck Kotokukishi is.

I managed somehow to get 3 sex scenes... FAR from being "the best sex system".
Potokakami gets below.
You ride Potokakami.
999 [done]
wut?
 

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The game is Touhou Project flavored Romance of the Three Kingdoms, with sex. Its a very complicated game and its all text. If your not used to strategy games like ROTK, or don't know any of the Touhou characters by name you will be confused.
 

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The thing that kills me, is that there's not a single tooltip, explanation or introduction to anything.
There's a guide.txt and a translated ingame help menu even in the old version you're playing.
It's sort of a demake of Sengoku Rance, a somewhat well-known h-game, which helps a lot of players figure it out.
And the game assumes knowledge of the characters from Touhou, a franchise that's also slightly popular in Japan.
 

brynhildr

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Might do someday.
In the meantime, since it's just 3 megas, it's not worth deleting.

The thing that kills me, is that there's not a single tooltip, explanation or introduction to anything.
I get prompted to choose a dozen "eras", which I have no clue what is the difference between each, or what's the setting.

Then a hundred options, between skills, traits, points and more, and the only tooltip is for the most obvious thing (the features).

Then prompted to a huge map, with a hundred cities I'm suppossed to conquer, with even more NPCs I apparently I can meet... but couldn't find how.
There's several options, with no explanations what they're really for, and when you pick one, it's a instant text with no introduction... for example, "visiting city", it's just "you visit X city. You meet Kotkukishi. Kotokukishi like up!"... but I don't even know what type of city is, what I did there, and who the heck Kotokukishi is.

I managed somehow to get 3 sex scenes... FAR from being "the best sex system".
Potokakami gets below.
You ride Potokakami.
999 [done]
wut?
Honestly speaking, neither I know what's the difference with all of the "eras" that you can choose at the beginning (though some of them seems explicit, for example if you choose "Gensokyo Wild Tunes" gives you Europe 1221 or 1939 A.D or Japan 1560 A.D. Though I don't know if you meant something else) . I just pick one of them or go in order and "conquer all" like I do for example with the Empire series of Dynasty and Samurai (Koei), and for small things it's even like that. In the end it's very.. "management" type. Though not even that much because the only thing that you need to worry about are the money (which can be earned with the "Work" button when it's your turn, and you have to make work every single one of your chars because it's not really automatic the A.I there - except obviously the enemies. Or you can have luck and gain some of them when you end your turn, since there are lots of misc event here and there. And I believe even winning some fights in the Arena) for yourself and then pour some of them into the treasury of the faction; as well as the troops that you need to draft for conquer a determined region and.. that's it honestly. Of course you even need to train yourself as well as the chars based on what you want (one military, other politics, other strategy and so on). Yep, it's not an easy game that's for sure (and in fact some time I end up using cheats because even in Easy sometimes become a pain in the ass to deal with certain situation. Unless you're a masochist, then just put one of the special factions in there and see how everything crumble around you so quickly xD).

For what I gather, is designed more to play with "Others" rather than alone, but alas, it's the same fate for every kind of game like this: the fact that you can't conquer on your own but you need to absolutely join one of the faction.. it's really troublesome. If there was the option of conquering everything on your own or, like Dynasty only, creating a "Vagabond Unit" (though even there you can't do much. And even if you win a fight for a region, you end up controlling that and so, build another empire again) that would've been really cool. Sadly, it's not the case.

And about not knowing the char, don't worry, neither I know the whole Touhou universe. I just heard something but never played any of the games available, nor saw anything anime related or read manga, so I'm with you on this. Personally I just choose what char I like the most when seeing the portrait (and skills) and that's it. For meeting them, like you said you can do that:
- By visiting the cities/region
- With misc event that happen at the end of your turn (which can be meeting.. Doremy? Something like that in your dreams; or Kagerou in various occasion, if it's in Heat she will literally rape you and you can't do nothing about it, or the even if rains on that day you can choose to let her in inside your house; or if you defeat a faction can even happen that a Wanderer Officer comes and asks you to let her/him join your empire/forces, and so on). There are lots of them, and if you want you can even increase the number in the options menu.

And I don't think there's other options? Could be wrong, since even I didn't explore all that this game has to offer - and It's already a year or maybe more that I'm playing this and so far, I just completed one of the scenarios. Others still incompleted xD
 

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The game is Touhou Project flavored Romance of the Three Kingdoms, with sex. Its a very complicated game and its all text. If your not used to strategy games like ROTK, or don't know any of the Touhou characters by name you will be confused.
There's a guide.txt and a translated ingame help menu even in the old version you're playing.
It's sort of a demake of Sengoku Rance, a somewhat well-known h-game, which helps a lot of players figure it out.
And the game assumes knowledge of the characters from Touhou, a franchise that's also slightly popular in Japan.
That makes sense, thanks.
I've heard about RoTK for years, but never got into it (note: Touhou is mentioned every two words in the game, but I don't have a clue what's about :p )
Hence why there's barely any description, and everything feels like you should know.

Honestly speaking, neither I know what's the difference with all of the "eras" that you can choose at the beginning (though some of them seems explicit, for example if you choose "Gensokyo Wild Tunes" gives you Europe 1221 or 1939 A.D or Japan 1560 A.D. Though I don't know if you meant something else) . I just pick one of them or go in order and "conquer all" like I do for example with the Empire series of Dynasty and Samurai (Koei), and for small things it's even like that. In the end it's very.. "management" type. Though not even that much because the only thing that you need to worry about are the money (which can be earned with the "Work" button when it's your turn, and you have to make work every single one of your chars because it's not really automatic the A.I there - except obviously the enemies. Or you can have luck and gain some of them when you end your turn, since there are lots of misc event here and there. And I believe even winning some fights in the Arena) for yourself and then pour some of them into the treasury of the faction; as well as the troops that you need to draft for conquer a determined region and.. that's it honestly. Of course you even need to train yourself as well as the chars based on what you want (one military, other politics, other strategy and so on). Yep, it's not an easy game that's for sure (and in fact some time I end up using cheats because even in Easy sometimes become a pain in the ass to deal with certain situation. Unless you're a masochist, then just put one of the special factions in there and see how everything crumble around you so quickly xD).

For what I gather, is designed more to play with "Others" rather than alone, but alas, it's the same fate for every kind of game like this: the fact that you can't conquer on your own but you need to absolutely join one of the faction.. it's really troublesome. If there was the option of conquering everything on your own or, like Dynasty only, creating a "Vagabond Unit" (though even there you can't do much. And even if you win a fight for a region, you end up controlling that and so, build another empire again) that would've been really cool. Sadly, it's not the case.

And about not knowing the char, don't worry, neither I know the whole Touhou universe. I just heard something but never played any of the games available, nor saw anything anime related or read manga, so I'm with you on this. Personally I just choose what char I like the most when seeing the portrait (and skills) and that's it. For meeting them, like you said you can do that:
- By visiting the cities/region
- With misc event that happen at the end of your turn (which can be meeting.. Doremy? Something like that in your dreams; or Kagerou in various occasion, if it's in Heat she will literally rape you and you can't do nothing about it, or the even if rains on that day you can choose to let her in inside your house; or if you defeat a faction can even happen that a Wanderer Officer comes and asks you to let her/him join your empire/forces, and so on). There are lots of them, and if you want you can even increase the number in the options menu.

And I don't think there's other options? Could be wrong, since even I didn't explore all that this game has to offer - and It's already a year or maybe more that I'm playing this and so far, I just completed one of the scenarios. Others still incompleted xD
Yes, yes, and yes to everything.
I did found out or figured everything you mention, but I guess I was expecting... more, or something else.
My main problem was that I felt absolutely disconnected.
As I've said above, the game feels like I should know everything already, and that every character or place or era should mean something... and it doesn't of course (my knowledge of manga is reduced to Dragon Ball, and maybe a couple other things mostly because of some particularly good artwork). Pretty much what happens when I play Slavemaker for example... I don't have a clue who 90% of the girls are.

In this case, is not really the system that troubles me, since it can be figured -more or less-. Is the total lack of meaning or motivation.
And honestly, the content is not something I particularly like.
Most girls are quasi-lolis, and most characters seem to be over-used clichés (which makes sense considering all).
I've upped the chances/amount of events, and after a dozen or more, not one was remotely close to being even hot (for my liking of course).

I guess it's simply not a game for me, after all.
While I do like the idea of a sandbox-conquer-arguably dating sim and it's interesting, the themathic and content is a huge turn down *shrug*

Sorry if I've derailed the thread!
 

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The in-game help and text files are pretty well written for this type of translated amateur game.

The "eras" thing is, if I understand it right, just how the factions are set up at the beginning of the game and maybe also some changes to the map itself. A person can start with just the first era and more or less not worry about the rest.

The game is rough as heck around the edges sometimes. If you're not a leader of your faction, you can still sorta make some faction-related decisions about troop movements and whatever, but it appears that the AI leader can and does silently override them whenever it wants to. There's not a lot of feedback on what you're actually doing sometimes. You technically kinda can play as a "wanderer" or an independent, but I haven't tried it and I imagine it's a bitch trying to actually do it given how the game operates. Like, if you don't have a real nation then you're probably going to be doing a lot of night crawling, and that is a very easy way to get a lot of people unhappy with you.

You tend to get ganged up on just because the Touhou factions are relentless about spreading rumors, which results in a more or less steady decline of diplomatic relations if you aren't actively bribing them to like you. If folks dislike you then you're more or less going to have to deal with getting ganged up on.

Diplomacy feels a little broken in that it appears that every demand you make, no matter if it succeeds or fails or who you make the demand of, causes every subsequent demand to be harder to make. That could just be me misinterpreting something, I guess, but even with enormous troop and political advantages it seems like the numbers I need to hit get to be more or less impossible to reach.

Then there are events where a subordinate betrays you, or a rebel faction just yanks four cities away from you without your being able to do much about it. There're ways to turn off a lot of things in the game, but it's not always clear exactly how to do that.

The thing about the sex system that I (and I assume others) like is that you pretty much have total control over whatever kind of bizarre orgy you want to create. There's just something appealing about being able to tell Participant Six to fuck Participant Two in the butt or whatever I feel like doing at any time with more or less no limits. I mean, you have to deal with the SLG-type "I don't want to do that" reactions, but at the same time it's a LOT more dynamic than what the average VN's able to give you. No, the individual scenes aren't going to be as well written as a well written VN scene, but that's sorta the demon inherent to the procedural sex idea.

On that wiki there's another game called eraSQN. That one does a much better job of making the individual sex actions flow together better. For instance, if your training target shoves you down and starts riding you, your assistant might decide to sit on your face, and then they just naturally kiss while that's going on.

There's another game, eraMeiQGaiden, where you can take the girl you're training and hug her, spank her, pat her head, and then make her titfuck a bear if you feel like it. That's the great thing about these text games--they're just literally packed full of stuff, and trying to find all that stuff is kind of where a big part of the fun is.
 

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Im Gonna explain the Era's since its come up a few times. Mostly it just changes the map or where each person is on the map.

The Gensokyo War - Default Map, everyone is where they usually are in the Touhou stories.
Fairy Wars - Default Map, only a few factions each led by a fairy character. (Its vbased on one of the games) The Ambitions of the Shikoku Fairies - Default Map, a more chaotic version of Fairy Wars.
Oriental Transcripts of Europe - Europe Map, based in 1221AD.
Without Trials Virtue is Inconspicuous - Default Map, The extra enemy factions such as bandits and Succubus are forced to be active and they are on hard. Special scenes play for some enemy factions if they beat another faction such as the Hobgoblins beating Remilia.
Yukari's Ambition: ~Der Totale Krieg~ - Europe Map, WW2.
Yukari's Ambition: ~The Guns of August~ Europe Map, WW1.
Remilia's Ambition: ~Sengoku Jidai~ Japan Map, Based on Sengoku Japan.
Yukari's Ambition: ~The Girl in the High Castle~ - Pacific theater Map of WW2, Japan/Chin/West Coast USA/Australia/ETC.
Gensokyo Wild Tune - Can choose Default Map, Europe Map, or Japan Map. Random faction leaders with random characters in their faction.
Gathering of Heroes - Same as Wild Tune except faction head is alone at the start.
 

brynhildr

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@W65 Ok.. so.. the method about editing the .ERB file seems that worked somehow!

Though now I'm stuck with just one single parameter that I don't really know how to achieve and neither to look in the folder (since Excel here doesn't recognize the jap.. so I have all jibberish words here and there and I don't really know what I should look for), because there isn't even a guide or anything. I'm stuck with "Abnormal Exp"... the heck is this? I'm sure that I've triggered this somewhere, but I honestly don't remember at all .-.
 
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