Others Completed EraTohoK [2022-06-05] [Wamekukyouzin]

[Febui]

I just hope FBI and Interpol do their job right.

Man, you need to chill.

I don't understand their NTR hate.

I never understood it either. I've never seen a game that isn't all about NTR that makes it obtrusive. Even among actual NTR-focused games, NTR is often avoidable.
Usually obvious and sign-posted.

Of course, I like NTR most of all when you or your lover feel tempted and giddy about cheating, and I believe that has an air of "taint" about it for a lot of people. That knowing your lover could want to cheat on you is way over the line, even if you never trigger the flags that allow it to happen. Forbidden knowledge. "That she is designed as a shallow enough character to cheat on me ruins her character, even if I don't ever see that side of the content."
I hope I'm not derailing, this isn't really directly Era.

 

[Ferghus]

I never understood it either. I've never seen a game that isn't all about NTR that makes it obtrusive. Even among actual NTR-focused games, NTR is often avoidable.
Usually obvious and sign-posted.

Of course, I like NTR most of all when you or your lover feel tempted and giddy about cheating, and I believe that has an air of "taint" about it for a lot of people. That knowing your lover could want to cheat on you is way over the line, even if you never trigger the flags that allow it to happen. Forbidden knowledge. "That she is designed as a shallow enough character to cheat on me ruins her character, even if I don't ever see that side of the content."
I hope I'm not derailing, this isn't really directly Era.

It doesn't have to be shallow to be NTR though. It doesn't even need to be cheating to be NTR. In some cases, you have to deliberately be an asshole to the love interest to even get to that point.
I don't understand the logic of optional content "ruining" a character for someone. Like 1) what happens to the character is entirely up to you. 2) if you think about it, this character is already romancing hundreds, if not thousands of other players. 3) from the standpoint of the character, this shit even didn't happen.
Like I've never seen people get this upset over a game with a canonical good ending having optional bad/evil endings. What are they so insecure about?

 

[Febui]

It doesn't have to be shallow to be NTR though. It doesn't even need to be cheating to be NTR.

I'm trying to view it from the anti-NTR perspective. Plus, it does need to be cheating to be good NTR.

What are they so insecure about?

I dunno. I like your comparison to canonical good endings having optional bad endings though. I don't think it'd sway anyone's perspective, but I dig it. Maybe I'll bring it up if I ever get embroiled in argument about NTR and see how they respond.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

I don't understand the logic of optional content "ruining" a character for someone.

I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about in here, but I can answer this question as it caught my eye.

If a character would cheat on you in "optional content", that shows a character flaw that's usually still there even when they aren't on the "optional NTR" route. Short of some story path where characters completely flip their personalities between routes (Which pretty much never happens in video games), that means that character still has the capacity to be a piece of shit by cheating on their partner even if they don't actually act on it in some other route. So that's why "optional NTR" is probably a turn off for people that aren't into NTR. A character who cheats on their partner is instantly less appealing to me. I think that's a common sentiment among people not into NTR. Whether you think of yourself as the MC, the dudes NTRing him, or some magical 3rd party witnessing the events, a girl that cheats is still less attractive in all those scenarios.

One of the examples that was really apparent to me was in Seed of the Dead 2. I lost all interest in the girls with how they acted in the NTR content even though you could toggle it off. You find out they're all pretty shitty people in the NTR content, they're basically just hiding it when it's toggled off. It doesn't magically make them better people just because they don't fuck other dudes in that route. Knowing how they talk about the MC and act in the NTR content is enough to make me lose interest in them. The NTR content is just giving them a chance to show who they really are. Basically the "optional NTR" content seems canon and the non NTR route seems like the fake route. The only difference in the non NTR route is some randos didn't stick their dicks in the girls behind your back. You didn't get to see how shitty they were with NTR toggled off just by luck. NTR content, even when optional, has a way of overwhelming other routes in that way.

I might still be able to enjoy their sex scenes a bit as mindless sex scenes, or watching the girls get raped by monsters or something at that point, but I've lost all interest in them as characters. The emotional connection is gone. So if the dev wanted me to like/care about those characters, they just sabotaged all that effort with their "Optional NTR".

TLDR: Somebody who cheats is instantly less appealing to me (I think that's common of people not really into NTR). "Optional NTR" has a tendency to be written in a way where the NTR becomes the "canon" route because the characters often still have the capacity to cheat on their partner in non NTR routes. It's usually just by luck that the character's true nature (As a cheating whore, lol) isn't revealed to the MC/player in the non NTR route.

 

[Febui]

I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about in here, but I can answer this question as it caught my eye.

I appreciate the insight. You elaborated quite a bit, and I feel I understand the perspective better.
Does it help when there are multiple characters to romance and you can't know which one has the NTR route with NTR disabled?
"Ignorance is bliss"

 

[FruitSmoothie]

I appreciate the insight. You elaborated quite a bit, and I feel I understand the perspective better.
Does it help when there are multiple characters to romance and you can't know which one has the NTR route with NTR disabled?
"Ignorance is bliss"

Yeah for sure it helps, but if you hang around on these forums, you're pretty likely to be spoiled on the NTR content soon enough (Like I was with Seed of the Dead 2 x.x).

 

[Ferghus]

If a character would cheat on you in "optional content", that shows a character flaw that's usually still there even when they aren't on the "optional NTR" route. Short of some story path where characters completely flip their personalities between routes (Which pretty much never happens in video games), that means that character still has the capacity to be a piece of shit by cheating on their partner even if they don't actually act on it in some other route. So that's why "optional NTR" is probably a turn off for people that aren't into NTR. A character who cheats on their partner is instantly less appealing to me. I think that's a common sentiment among people not into NTR. Whether you think of yourself as the MC, the dudes NTRing him, or some magical 3rd party witnessing the events, a girl that cheats is still less attractive in all those scenarios.

I don't see how that's a character flaw. You're basically getting mad at someone for something they didn't do. So what if there's an alternate version of them that cheats on you? By your logic, should we start making games where the love interests hate and avoid you by default because there exist routes where you could choose to hurt them or romance someone else? You're in control of what happens to your love story or whatever. Who gives a shit about the branching paths you won't take? If you don't let it happen, it just doesn't happen. You are in control.

TLDR: Somebody who cheats is instantly less appealing to me (I think that's common of people not really into NTR). "Optional NTR" has a tendency to be written in a way where the NTR becomes the "canon" route because the characters often still have the capacity to cheat on their partner in non NTR routes. It's usually just by luck that the character's true nature (As a cheating whore, lol) isn't revealed to the MC/player in the non NTR route.

I think you're reading too much into it. Of course it'll be written somewhat convincingly for people who are into NTR. Because why the fuck would I consume NTR that's intentionally unconvincing? No offense, but it's kinda silly to say that a character with optional NTR content's "true nature" is a "cheating whore". These characters have no autonomy. They cannot act outside their predetermined set of actions. They cannot leave you of their own accord. They're only a "cheating whore" if you want them to be. You're letting your real life anxieties bleed into a game.

 

[fogginstance]

anyways, EraTohoK.

don't suppose anyone has a sense of the updates in the wiki version? this thread's download hasn't been updated in a while but IDK if the wiki version's had more than minor updates.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

I don't see how that's a character flaw. You're basically getting mad at someone for something they didn't do. So what if there's an alternate version of them that cheats on you? By your logic, should we start making games where the love interests hate and avoid you by default because there exist routes where you could choose to hurt them or romance someone else? You're in control of what happens to your love story or whatever. Who gives a shit about the branching paths you won't take? If you don't let it happen, it just doesn't happen. You are in control.


I think you're reading too much into it. Of course it'll be written somewhat convincingly for people who are into NTR. Because why the fuck would I consume NTR that's intentionally unconvincing? No offense, but it's kinda silly to say that a character with optional NTR content's "true nature" is a "cheating whore". These characters have no autonomy. They cannot act outside their predetermined set of actions. They cannot leave you of their own accord. They're only a "cheating whore" if you want them to be. You're letting your real life anxieties bleed into a game.

Cheating on their partner the moment some rando sticks a dick in them isn't a character flaw? Lol. Maybe you skipped over my example of Seed of the Dead. The characters are very much pieces of shit in a way in the NTR content that even devalues them in the non NTR content as somebody not into NTR. That shit is super common. And no, the MC is not in control. The player may have control to avoid the content, the MC does not in those situations. You turn NTR on and some dudes go and fuck the MCs "love interests" behind their back. And they fall madly in love with randos cocks while badmouthing the MC. NTR toggles are usually horse blinders blocking how terrible the characters are. If they were written in a way so it was clear the NTR was an exception, that would be different, but it rarely is written that way.

You're not even trying to see things from other people's perspective. "You're reading too much into it", while attacking people for their preferences in H games, lol. Try not to so blatantly contradict yourself and make it apparent you're just trying to shit on people who don't like NTR. Starting off by throwing out insults to anybody not fond of NTR, and then a personal insult at me for sharing my perspective. That the kind of person you wanna be? "No, you're not supposed to enjoy H games like that, you're supposed to enjoy H games like I do". If people want to actually care about and get attached to characters, that's on them. Some of us aren't interested in characters that have shitty traits. Stop trying to control people and let people enjoy their fictional porn games how they want to.

Just for an extra little example: Imagine if you could read minds, and somebody close to you was constantly thinking nasty things about you, or thinking about torturing puppies, or raping children, or whatever would greatly upset you. Even if they never acted on any of those things or said anything bad about you out loud, can you honestly say that wouldn't hurt your opinion of them? Logically you can understand most people have intrusive thoughts now and then and it's pretty normal to a certain extent, but to actually hear it is different, right? They may not have acted on it, but you still know.

In the "Optional NTR" route, it's not even just thoughts, you know those thoughts have been acted on before just because some rando stuck a dick in them lol. The potential is always there, somebody raping them or propositioning them in a certain way is going to make that "cheating whore" version of a character "reality". It's out of the MCs hands, it's up to all the other fictional characters in the world not making advances on the girl for her to not show that side. When the girl herself doesn't drastically change before the sex with rando stuff, sure seems to me like she's basically a cheating time bomb waiting to explode, lol. I don't think I've ever seen optional NTR in a game not show that the character is kind of a piece of shit even without the NTR. Maybe if she's drugged and/or raped/tortured to shit and ends up with stockholm syndrome, I couldn't blame the character in that case. But you and I both know the usual NTR fare leans towards the girls falling to any rando cock with little to no setup, because the NTR gods demand it : p

 

[Febui]

Maybe you skipped over my example of Seed of the Dead.

Honestly, I thought it wasn't translated (besides menus) so I haven't looked into it. Do you understand Japanese?

If they were written in a way so it was clear the NTR was an exception, that would be different, but it rarely is written that way.

How do you mean? I don't believe I understand what you're thinking.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

How do you mean? I don't believe I understand what you're thinking.

I'm trying to say the usual NTR fare is insulting to the characters for the sake of fetish fuel. The "Girl falls madly in love with her captors 5 minutes into being raped" trope makes the character look bad imo. If the girl is drugged and raped over a period of time until she ends up with Stockholm syndrome or something. Can't really blame the character in that way for falling for her captors a bit to survive the trauma. That kind of realistic build up doesn't really hurt the character's personality, but that's rare.

I actually recently read a manga on mangadex called "

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", that has some decent examples of more reasonable NTR/Swinging type of stuff. A girl is captured by bandits and raped until she becomes dependent on them for example. I actually dig the story even though it's pretty high in swinging elements that I'm not usually into because they build those scenarios up better than usual. Even though the girl eventually "enjoys" the rape in some ways, they still hate parts of it and want to escape it. They don't go on to try to date their rapists like the usual NTR H game. It's not exactly NTR, but it's used in a similar way. Well, it would be difficult to explain in more detail without spoilers.

Btw NTR bros should enjoy:

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[Febui]

"Girl falls madly in love with her captors 5 minutes into being raped" trope makes the character look bad imo.

Also makes for extremely low quality NTR.

Stockholm syndrome

I suppose I understand. The kind of NTR I like is probably entirely incompatible with you, as I prefer either the player or their lover being tempted by the allure of cheating, with some wrestling against the wrongness and betrayal of the act, but nevertheless attracted to someone and willing to fool around. Dominance or humiliation over the person getting cheated on can be good, but isn't required.
I assume, even if they never speak ill of their love, the fact they give in to the temptation to cheat ruins the character for you? I don't think there's any way for what I like to coexist unless it's a mystery which character has that feature. Am I correct, or do you see a way to write such a thing so it doesn't bother you? Would it be enough just that the love is maintained, no insults or malice?

A girl is captured by bandits and raped until she becomes dependent on them for example. I actually dig the story even though it's pretty high in swinging

It's.. not swinging if they're raping her, that's just rape-NTR. Swinging is a consensual arrangement between a couple and one or more others.

 

[FruitSmoothie]

It's.. not swinging if they're raping her, that's just rape-NTR. Swinging is a consensual arrangement between a couple and one or more others.

Ah, I added on "I can't really explain in more details without spoilers", but if you don't mind:

There are succubi that are working for the MC demon lord type, but they go around fucking others for him to create more soldiers. So it's separate from "the girls being raped" stuff, lol. The NTR stuff is still questionable, but there are some potentials for it. A girl in the story is also raped to oblivion and later confesses that she's into the MC and enjoyed parts of the rape. You can kind of tell the story is leaning/aiming towards more of the same. So yeah, the swinging stuff is legit and the NTR elements are kind of questionable and up to personal preference so far.

Edit: Had to fix some stuff, I misremembered a part of the story.

The kind of NTR I like is probably entirely incompatible with you, as I prefer either the player or their lover being tempted by the allure of cheating, with some wrestling against the wrongness and betrayal of the act, but nevertheless attracted to someone and willing to fool around. Dominance or humiliation over the person getting cheated on can be good, but isn't required.

I assume, even if they never speak ill of their love, the fact they give in to the temptation to cheat ruins the character for you? I don't think there's any way for what I like to coexist unless it's a mystery which character has that feature. Am I correct, or do you see a way to write such a thing so it doesn't bother you? Would it be enough just that the love is maintained, no insults or malice?
It's.. not swinging if they're raping her, that's just rape-NTR. Swinging is a consensual arrangement between a couple and one or more others.

Yeah, it seems pretty incompatible. I mean if you went far enough back in time and played a route where the girl ended up completely different somehow, that could work. Maybe there's some exceptional way to write it so it wouldn't bother me as much, but I think it would be a pretty rare exception. Like if we go full fantasy and say there's a legit in world alternate reality version of a character that lead a different life, and one ends up faithful and the other is likely to cheat. The cheating one showing up in the same world as the faithful one and being a bitch wouldn't hurt my opinion of the faithful one of course, lol. As long as they make it pretty clear how different they are. They're separate characters at that point. That's a change of character/personality and not just an event causing the cheating.

 

[Ferghus]

Cheating on their partner the moment some rando sticks a dick in them isn't a character flaw? Lol. Maybe you skipped over my example of Seed of the Dead. The characters are very much pieces of shit in a way in the NTR content that even devalues them in the non NTR content as somebody not into NTR. That shit is super common. And no, the MC is not in control. The player may have control to avoid the content, the MC does not in those situations. You turn NTR on and some dudes go and fuck the MCs "love interests" behind their back. And they fall madly in love with randos cocks while badmouthing the MC. NTR toggles are usually horse blinders blocking how terrible the characters are. If they were written in a way so it was clear the NTR was an exception, that would be different, but it rarely is written that way.

I didn't comment on Seed of the Dead because I didn't play it. What you're saying doesn't make any sense. If we applied that logic to eraTohoK, you might as well be advocating that we torture and mindbreak every character, because all of them have the potential to betray you and talk shit behind your back. Which is stupid as fuck. I don't know why you're acting like you don't control what happens to the MC. Like the love interest, the MC doesn't have autonomy. Nothing bad will happen to the MC as long as you don't want it to. How hard is that to understand?
You're acting like the same character in two different game modes couldn't possibly have fundamental differences that allow each scenario to play out differently. The reality is that you're free to believe what you want, and you've chosen to believe in the interpretation that brings you the most anguish. No one can fix that for you. That's something you're doing to yourself. It's backwards as fuck that you need proof from others, but not yourself. No one's exactly saying the other route or game mode is fake either, but that hasn't stopped you from acting like it is. That's what I mean by your anxieties bleeding into the game.

You're not even trying to see things from other people's perspective. "You're reading too much into it", while attacking people for their preferences in H games, lol. Try not to so blatantly contradict yourself and make it apparent you're just trying to shit on people who don't like NTR. Starting off by throwing out insults to anybody not fond of NTR, and then a personal insult at me for sharing my perspective. That the kind of person you wanna be? "No, you're not supposed to enjoy H games like that, you're supposed to enjoy H games like I do". If people want to actually care about and get attached to characters, that's on them. Some of us aren't interested in characters that have shitty traits. Stop trying to control people and let people enjoy their fictional porn games how they want to.

I'm the one shitting on other people's enjoyment? Your proposed solution literally involves tanking another person's fetish and having the dev say their route isn't real. Ironic how you're saying I'm the one trying to control people. I'm not the one out here saying that having an alternate route catered to a specific fetish devalues the rest of the game, even if the rest of it is good and I don't engage in what I dislike. You're basically saying I'm wrong for telling you to accommodate others, but it's perfectly fine for you to be pissed off because your preferences aren't being accommodated. And you think I'm the contradictory one?

Just for an extra little example: Imagine if you could read minds, and somebody close to you was constantly thinking nasty things about you, or thinking about torturing puppies, or raping children, or whatever would greatly upset you. Even if they never acted on any of those things or said anything bad about you out loud, can you honestly say that wouldn't hurt your opinion of them? Logically you can understand most people have intrusive thoughts now and then and it's pretty normal to a certain extent, but to actually hear it is different, right? They may not have acted on it, but you still know.

Counter example: In an alternate universe, you're a rapist. Should people treat you like a rapist in every reality? Another counter example: You chose heroine A. Should the heroines in subsequent playthroughs hate the MC for attempting to pursue a different love interest? How are you so sure that you're looking at the same heroine, and not alternate realities? Explain to me why we're not questioning the MC's true nature, since you think the MC is not in control.

In the "Optional NTR" route, it's not even just thoughts, you know those thoughts have been acted on before just because some rando stuck a dick in them lol. The potential is always there, somebody raping them or propositioning them in a certain way is going to make that "cheating whore" version of a character "reality". It's out of the MCs hands, it's up to all the other fictional characters in the world not making advances on the girl for her to not show that side. When the girl herself doesn't drastically change before the sex with rando stuff, sure seems to me like she's basically a cheating time bomb waiting to explode, lol. I don't think I've ever seen optional NTR in a game not show that the character is kind of a piece of shit even without the NTR. Maybe if she's drugged and/or raped/tortured to shit and ends up with stockholm syndrome, I couldn't blame the character in that case. But you and I both know the usual NTR fare leans towards the girls falling to any rando cock with little to no setup, because the NTR gods demand it : p

So should we then assume that any time rape and murder is presented as an in-game option, the MC should be treated as having killed and raped, even in routes where he doesn't do any of that? Should we assume the MC's worst possible choices as being his true nature and a ticking time bomb too? Should we root for someone like that to get a girl that doesn't have an NTR route?

Edit: I'm trying to highlight to you that your view is heavily biased and have pretty terrible implications.

 

[vnpt]

anyways, EraTohoK.

don't suppose anyone has a sense of the updates in the wiki version? this thread's download hasn't been updated in a while but IDK if the wiki version's had more than minor updates.

Just a matter of time before they will add Touhou 17-18. Problem is having someone like Megumi might replace Aya as a leader.

 

[mrme]

you might as well be advocating that we torture and mindbreak every character, because all of them have the potential to betray you and talk shit behind your back.

I do
Otherwise you'll be close to finishing the game and some cunt will rebel, taking half your cities and pulling 10s of thousands of soldiers out her arse.

You gotta beat your bitch down, keep that pimp hand strong.

 

[IHC]

there are some characters' dialogues that haven't been translated and still be Japanese. Anyway to fix this?
Also, is there any cheat engine or way to alter the stats in-game?

 

[vnpt]

there are some characters' dialogues that haven't been translated and still be Japanese. Anyway to fix this?
Also, is there any cheat engine or way to alter the stats in-game?

there are some characters' dialogues that haven't been translated and still be Japanese
- This game is constantly update and people who's trying to translate it are doing it for free. Don't push them.
is there any cheat engine or way to alter the stats in-game
- EratohoK has it in the star sign in the setting. Same with EratohoTW.

 

[IHC]

there are some characters' dialogues that haven't been translated and still be Japanese
- This game is constantly update and people who's trying to translate it are doing it for free. Don't push them.
is there any cheat engine or way to alter the stats in-game
- EratohoK has it in the star sign in the setting. Same with EratohoTW.

thank you very much (though I just discovered it in the guide file but i appreciate your answer!) btw what is EratohoTW?

 

[kendosOwO]

thank you very much (though I just discovered it in the guide file but i appreciate your answer!) btw what is EratohoTW?

Eratoho The World, slice of life with Toho chars with time stop power, basically a dating sim game, its pretty chill, would recommend.